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But even if it's not earth-shattering news for metalheads, one group is probably not too thrilled with the discovery ? the folks in southwestern Michigan whose area code is 616.
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This is crap, since 666 has more roots than just Revelations.

The number 666 and Lucifer are linked from the times when religions revered Lucifer as "The Light Bringer" (aka, The Sun).

In Hebrew Mysticism, the "Magic Square" for symbolising the Sun is:

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Each row/column adds to 111, every square adds to 666.

When Lucifer and Satan got "mixed together" by later religions (or rather Ha-Satan, translating to adversary, got personified as Lucifer) it is natural that the ancient symbol for the sun be linked to Satan.

Hence the "evil-ness" of 666.

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Wow, has anyone even read Revelation??? 666 (or 616) is MAN'S number, the same as the beast's. It symoblizes imperfection, 3 times over. A complete imperfection. As for Lucifer having to do with light, he IS referred to in the Bible as an angel of light.

Paul, in 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, when speaking of false apostles and believers -- "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds." (empasis added)

As for Satan just being a "personification" of evil, take into account the entire first chapter of Job which is in the Old Testament and was the first book WRITTEN in the Old Testament. You will find Satan recorded there. And, of course, he is referred to MULTIPLE times in the New Testament.

The greatest lie Satan (the "adversary" that the Old Testament refers to) ever convinced people of is that he does not exist. Think of the power you could have over your enemies, especially in war, if they didn't even believe you exist, therefore not believing that you're a threat.

Oh, and I'm not about to get my information on historical documentation from MTV! :rolleyes: But it IS true that it has been referred to as 616 as well as 666.

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Wow, has anyone even read Revelation???  666 (or 616) is MAN'S number, the same as the beast's.  It symoblizes imperfection, 3 times over.  A complete imperfection.  As for Lucifer having to do with light, he IS referred to in the Bible as an angel of light.

Paul, in 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, when speaking of false apostles and believers -- "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.  No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.  Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds." (empasis added)

As for Satan just being a "personification" of evil, take into account the entire first chapter of Job which is in the Old Testament and was the first book WRITTEN in the Old Testament.  You will find Satan recorded there.  And, of course, he is referred to MULTIPLE times in the New Testament.

The greatest lie Satan (the "adversary" that the Old Testament refers to) ever convinced people of is that he does not exist.  Think of the power you could have over your enemies, especially in war, if they didn't even believe you exist, therefore not believing that you're a threat.

Oh, and I'm not about to get my information on historical documentation from MTV!  :rolleyes:  But it IS true that it has been referred to as 616 as well as 666.

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thanks for the info

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MTV News, great source... :rolleyes:

This is not new, I've known about this for years. The most ancient Greek manuscript of Revelations does indeed contain 616 not 666, which I think actually makes more sense, even though they both seem to apply quite well.

6+1+6=13, 1+3=4.

Thirteen is "death to the old ways and the beginning of the new order of the Ages." ITts also a favourite number of Illuminati/Luciferians. Four is a number associated with the material plane (that's all I remember).

6+6+6=18, 1+8=9. Nine is known as "the earth under evil influences." Nine is also sacred to the Illuminati/Luciferians.

Now keep in mind I am neither an expert on numerology nor the occult. If anyone has anymore insight on the subject, I'd be interested.

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To clarify the meaning of 4, 4 refers to anything having to do with the world. "The four corners of the earth." "The four winds." "Four directions." It has to do with the expanse of the earth. Biblically, however, it does NOT refer to the "four elements." Just thought I'd say that before someone else thinks it means that. That's other newer religions adopting it.

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As for Satan just being a "personification" of evil, take into account the entire first chapter of Job which is in the Old Testament and was the first book WRITTEN in the Old Testament. 

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:huh:

No it wasn't.

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hate to break it to u guys but numbers dont mean anything they are jus numbers created to count. letters put together make words an words mean things.

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The book is thought to have been written by the disciple John and according to the King James Bible, the traditional translation of the passage reads: "Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

But Dr. Aitken said that translation was drawn from much later versions of the New Testament than the fragment found in Oxyrhynchus. "When we're talking about the early biblical texts, we're always talking about copies and they are copies made, at best, 150 to 200 years after [the original] was written," she said.

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I like how people are rolling their eyes at MTV and then they turn around and try to educate us on Neowin. I don't know why anyone would be more likely to believe some random guy on Neowin over some journalist on MTV, but OK.

Wikipedia, as usual, has some interesting information:

While most manuscripts of the Bible read six-hundred-sixty-six or 666 for the Number of the Beast in Revelations 13:18, some early manuscripts contain 616 instead. Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus (5th century), Papyrus 115 (3rd or 4th century), and some copies of Irenaeus's works have 616. The minuscule manuscript 2344 (11th century) identifies the Number of the Beast as 665.

In May 2005 it was reported that scholars at Oxford University using advanced imaging techniques had been able to read previously illegible portions of an early (third century) version of the Book of Revelations, part of its Oxyrhynchus collection of papyri. The fragment suggested that the earliest Number of the Beast was 616. Scholars now believe the number in question has very little to do the devil. It was actually a complicated numerical riddle in Greek, meant to represent someone's name. "It's a number puzzle -- the majority opinion seems to be that it refers to [the Roman emperor] Nero." [2]

The link they refer to says:

Dr. Aitken said, however, that scholars now believe the number in question has very little to do the devil. It was actually a complicated numerical riddle in Greek, meant to represent someone's name, she said.

"It's a number puzzle -- the majority opinion seems to be that it refers to [the Roman emperor] Nero."

Revelation was actually a thinly disguised political tract, with the names of those being criticized changed to numbers to protect the authors and early Christians from reprisals. "It's a very political document," Dr. Aitken said. "It's a critique of the politics and society of the Roman empire, but it's written in coded language and riddles."

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Quite....... Interesting as it is, in a similar way to the bogeys up your nose being interesing when you fish them out and stare at them wondering what kind of vile creature they are, how is knowing that 666 (or any other combination of numbers to represent the deceiver) relates to evil any use at all.

It's very interesting to see that some people who have no time for the day to day beliefs of religious traditions such as Christianity/Islam/Judaism/etc... (where the roots or basis of most of this lucifer/devil/666 stuff originates [it goes far far back]) find fascinating all kinds of occult/dark/ambiguous theories/beliefs/teachings and spend a good deal of time reading about/researching/thinking about them.

For me, i have to ask, where's the benefit either to myself or to society/others. In this there is no benefit other than the entertainment value of "knowing something no-one else knows" and having therefore, some kind of "power" or "superiority".

Are clearly defined concepts of good/evil too easy to digest, too simply laid out or simply too "popularly" believed to be interesting/useful/open to consideration?

Having said that, when we, as humanity do see "the beast", we had better pray sincerely to the Allmighty for protection. His arrival is inevitable.

It's not a game.

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MTV News, great source...  :rolleyes:

This is not new, I've known about this for years. The most ancient Greek manuscript of Revelations does indeed contain 616 not 666, which I think actually makes more sense, even though they both seem to apply quite well.

6+1+6=13, 1+3=4.

Thirteen is "death to the old ways and the beginning of the new order of the Ages." ITts also a favourite number of Illuminati/Luciferians. Four is a number associated with the material plane (that's all I remember).

6+6+6=18, 1+8=9. Nine is known as "the earth under evil influences." Nine is also sacred to the Illuminati/Luciferians.

Now keep in mind I am neither an expert on numerology nor the occult. If anyone has  anymore insight on the subject, I'd be interested.

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I've read a book where in one chapter that guy discusses some numbers that refer to total annihilation and stuff like Earth changing its north pole location. Numbers like 666, 6666, 999, 9999 and etc come along. 6666 is very interesting for instance. The circumference of Earth (~40000) devided by 6 is ~6666. Devil's Mountain in States is 6666 km away from the North Pole, and so is the Great Pyramid in Egypt. A mountain in Tibet or that area has a shape of a pyramid and is 6666 meters in height. I can't remember all, but there was some kind of triangular regularity between all those location leading to North Pole shifting and its next location, which is the Devil's Mountain. Well, there was much more.. will have to look that book up. :blink:

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Having said that, when we, as humanity do see "the beast", we had better pray sincerely to the Allmighty for protection. His arrival is inevitable.

There is no scapegoat...we are the beast, and you are a part of it. We are also the "Allmighty." The only "being" greater than us is our creator, and it isn't a god in our disgusting image. It likely has no feelings and won't care about you, either. It's just a force that continues and mystifies by changing constantly...

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