dud Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 I'm not a Muslim, and don't live in an area of my town with a lot of Muslims, so I don't know the feelings of the general population of the Muslim community within the borders of this nation. Most stories I hear about Muslims worldwide are reports like this one in England. Are these people just extremists? There are many of the Muslim faith in America, and the ones I have run into (many Pakistani Muslims work with my wife and own respectable businesses in the area) have been very polite and generally great people. I guess there is just one question I want to ask: Are Muslims going to be eternally happy living side-by-side in society with the rest of us who are not, as long as there is mutual goodwill between us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaLiVa Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Wow, that report surprised me a little there. All this in England? Yeah well, George Bush isn't exactly the Muslims favourite and Tony Blair helped him, it's a no brainer situation there. However common it is putting the blame directly to the "chief in command (As Mr Bush likes to put it)" doesn't mean it's right. The Muslims are just holding a protest, live with it. Look at China making protests against Japan, they're burning flags. Look at Taiwan against China, they're burning flags. Look at South Korea against Japan. Again the same situation arises, they're burning flags. It's a protest with nothing else going on. What can they hope to achieve, very little, what you're seeing is an "organised" fashion of people who just want to hang out and have a same despite for something. Hate fueling a harmless event. As for living peacefully in society, we already are. We have our own lands, nothing we cant take care of. So long as the other foreign powers do not mess with our land then everything will be fine and dandy. Such is not the case, there's too much interference from a Jewish supporting country - America, trying to steal oil from our (Muslim) lands. Have you seen Kingdom of Heaven? It's Ironic when somebody trespasses your land, you can fight him for your rights to the land. Same thing is happening in Iraq, and to a lesser extent in Afghanistan. Palestein has always had this fight for rights to land, but it was a mistake by the British long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSoul Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Disagreeing with a countries come in two forms, one small form is militant, the other larger form is hatred, but overall you shouldnt base with the reasoning that hating america means thier extremists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted May 20, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 20, 2005 I guess there is just one question I want to ask:Are Muslims going to be eternally happy living side-by-side in society with the rest of us who are not, as long as there is mutual goodwill between us? 585947669[/snapback] Toronto has about 120,000 Muslims (about 5% of the city's population) without incident. It is not uncommon to see girl's wearing burkas in school, men in religious robes and women who are completely covered except for their eyes. There is even a Mosque and a Synagogue in Toronto that share a common parking lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_INk Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Wow, that report surprised me a little there. All this in England?Yeah well, George Bush isn't exactly the Muslims favourite and Tony Blair helped him, it's a no brainer situation there. However common it is putting the blame directly to the "chief in command (As Mr Bush likes to put it)" doesn't mean it's right. The Muslims are just holding a protest, live with it. Look at China making protests against Japan, they're burning flags. Look at Taiwan against China, they're burning flags. Look at South Korea against Japan. Again the same situation arises, they're burning flags. It's a protest with nothing else going on. What can they hope to achieve, very little, what you're seeing is an "organised" fashion of people who just want to hang out and have a same despite for something. Hate fueling a harmless event. As for living peacefully in society, we already are. We have our own lands, nothing we cant take care of. So long as the other foreign powers do not mess with our land then everything will be fine and dandy. Such is not the case, there's too much interference from a Jewish supporting country - America, trying to steal oil from our (Muslim) lands. Have you seen Kingdom of Heaven? It's Ironic when somebody trespasses your land, you can fight him for your rights to the land. Same thing is happening in Iraq, and to a lesser extent in Afghanistan. Palestein has always had this fight for rights to land, but it was a mistake by the British long ago. 585947730[/snapback] in Iraq it's not the Iragi's fighting the U.S.- it's hired militants from places like Syria. our operations in Iraq were largely welcomed- and no, it wasn't for oil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted May 20, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 20, 2005 in Iraq it's not the Iragi's fighting the U.S.- it's hired militants from places like Syria.our operations in Iraq were largely welcomed- and no, it wasn't for oil 585947782[/snapback] Extent of Foreign Fighters in Iraqi Insurgency May Be Less than Often Portrayed By Jim Krane Associated Press May 3, 2004 U.S. officials have for months publicly promoted the notion that foreign fighters and terrorists are playing a major role in the anti-American insurgency in Fallujah and the rest of Iraq. By blaming foreigners, U.S. authorities hope to quash the idea that Iraqis are rising up against military occupation and frame the conflict as part of the wider war on terror. However, foreigners play a tiny role in Iraq's insurgency, many military experts say. In Fallujah, U.S. military leaders say around 90 percent of the 1,000 or more fighters battling the Marines are Iraqis. To date, there have been no confirmed U.S. captures of foreign fighters in Fallujah - although a handful of suspects have been arrested. ... http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issue...503fighters.htm [Thread Moved from GD to RWI] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dud Posted May 20, 2005 Author Share Posted May 20, 2005 I figured as much. Personally, I've never been the object of mistreatment by Muslims (and vice versa); I'll assume those in England are extremists. As an American, though, I can't say I'm comforted by some of the things they were saying: Led by a man on a megaphone, they chanted, "USA watch your back, Osama is coming back" and "Kill, kill USA, kill, kill George Bush". A small detail of police watched as they shouted: "Bomb, bomb New York" and "George Bush, you will pay, with your blood, with your head." I'm not George Bush, but I am part of the USA, so I'll assume these English extremists don't like me. :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashel Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 I think the root of what he was asking is how Muslims feel in America where they are in constant exposure to other beliefs and religions that run against their beliefs. Basically, in a secular nation such as America, how do fundies cope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreAming in DigITal Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 in Iraq it's not the Iragi's fighting the U.S.- it's hired militants from places like Syria.our operations in Iraq were largely welcomed- and no, it wasn't for oil 585947782[/snapback] Most of them are probably Iraqis, but they are not your "average everyday Iraqi"...they are extremists killing "infidels" :rolleyes:. It would be nice to hear from some people who are actually "Muslim" rather than everyone else speaking for them.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azadre Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Eh, America is alright. I like the Capitalism :) and the Socialism :) I don't like people who attempt to destroy the first ammendment by Fundy Judges, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted May 20, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 20, 2005 It would be nice to hear from some people who are actually "Muslim" rather than everyone else speaking for them.......... 585948032[/snapback] Two North American muslims have posted in this thread already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreAming in DigITal Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 /\ 2 out of 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.MULLA Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 well its obvious if "america" or any other country does acts like these then they will be hated. It seems only america do these acts as written in the report. Why put more fuel into a fire thats already enraging? would be nice if you guys read this report from bbc: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4563601.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreAming in DigITal Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 well its obvious if "america" or any other country does acts like these then they will be hated. It seems only america do these acts as written in the report. Why put more fuel into a fire thats already enraging?would be nice if you guys read this report from bbc: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4563601.stm 585948725[/snapback] America is doing enough for the "Muslim World" without bending over for them...Once dependancy on foreign oil drops off (which WILL eventually happen) it will just be a giant sandbox again....no reason to deal with them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zh3n Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Most of them are probably Iraqis, but they are not your "average everyday Iraqi"...they are extremists killing "infidels" :rolleyes:. It would be nice to hear from some people who are actually "Muslim" rather than everyone else speaking for them.......... 585948032[/snapback] Yeah I agree...I was actually wanting to see if more American Muslims were responding,cuz after all,that was the topic. Unwonted We are hated,disliked or however you want to put it everywhere and you're right,it's not comforting. Whatever "damage" that was done,is kinda of impossible to be fixed. Who knows what other things are being done to supposedly "take America down". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thugilex Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 its how america feels about Islam ! As a muslim .. our religion doesnt say to kill others .. so who USA is fighting aint real muslims .. they are just pretending to be .. i dont think any religion says kill another .. but still usa do force the muslim countries to change and i guess they r doing a mistake .. coz some countries rule by Koraan and if u change the rules then u are changing the koraan .. thus changing our religion .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zh3n Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 its how america feels about Islam ! As a muslim .. our religion doesnt say to kill others .. so who USA is fighting aint real muslims .. they are just pretending to be .. i dont think any religion says kill another .. but still usa do force the muslim countries to change and i guess they r doing a mistake .. coz some countries rule by Koraan and if u change the rules then u are changing the koraan .. thus changing our religion .. 585951042[/snapback] Well thugilex...I hear that your religion says not to kill others,so why does it happen anyways?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azadre Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Well thugilex...I hear that your religion says not to kill others,so why does it happen anyways?? 585951245[/snapback] Because they think they are still in a defensive Crusade because of the economic imperialism that still plagues the region. To these people, the US started the war. In a sense, we did start it. Great Britian is responsible for the lines in the sand (the countries that should've never been) and America is responsible for the government in Iran today. (Which I suggest you read up on, because it's rather sad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlibbyFlobby Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Its funny how those extremists burning flags and suggesting attacks on America will still claim all the benefits, support and money from England as possible. And they expect us to stop things like Santa's in superstores at Christmas because it offends them, they're the ones who expect us to bend over backwards for them. The sooner our country has the ability to deport them for such disgraceful acts (the suggestion of attacks, not the Santas etc) the better. I go to University which is very much populated by Muslims, and they're all fine with everything and feel they're treated equally from what I can tell, they're are just one or two extremists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zh3n Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Its funny how those extremists burning flags and suggesting attacks on America will still claim all the benefits, support and money from England as possible. And they expect us to stop things like Santa's in superstores at Christmas because it offends them, they're the ones who expect us to bend over backwards for them. The sooner our country has the ability to deport them for such disgraceful acts (the suggestion of attacks, not the Santas etc) the better.I go to University which is very much populated by Muslims, and they're all fine with everything and feel they're treated equally from what I can tell, they're are just one or two extremists. 585951350[/snapback] It is funny,and if they hate the west so much(U.S.,U.K. etc.) then,why, contradict themselves and reap all the benefits given to them by these countries? :unsure: It is a messed up world we all live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfessorX Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 I am a Pakistani Muslim living in USA and I do not go out looking for "infedels" killing them to get into heaven (and get 70 virgins). I live a normal life. I dont go out bashing other religions. Infact I do not care what you do as long as you are good with me. If you have a problem with me solve it or go away. The fact is I as a Muslim cannot kill any living thing for no reason. Infact a teaching goes on saying killing a tree for no reason is like killing a man. If I do kill another person then the only way I can save myself from hell is by accepting the crime here and complete the sentence given to me. Infact God will forgive me if I disobey Him but cannot forgive me for crimes against hummanity unless hummanity forgives me. The whole concept of Jihad is out of hands these days. No one in this world right now can claim to do Jihad since it has to be declared by the Muslim Goverment. A person has to be authorised to do so. Even so there are no True Islamic States in the world right now. Yes even Saudia Arabia. The very very sad truth is Islam is not what it once used to be. Its being fragmented every day by dumba$$es like osama bin laden and his gang. May God help us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreAming in DigITal Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 I am a Pakistani Muslim living in USA and I do not go out looking for "infedels" killing them to get into heaven (and get 70 virgins). I live a normal life. I dont go out bashing other religions. Infact I do not care what you do as long as you are good with me. If you have a problem with me solve it or go away.The fact is I as a Muslim cannot kill any living thing for no reason. Infact a teaching goes on saying killing a tree for no reason is like killing a man. If I do kill another person then the only way I can save myself from hell is by accepting the crime here and complete the sentence given to me. Infact God will forgive me if I disobey Him but cannot forgive me for crimes against hummanity unless hummanity forgives me. The whole concept of Jihad is out of hands these days. No one in this world right now can claim to do Jihad since it has to be declared by the Muslim Goverment. A person has to be authorised to do so. Even so there are no True Islamic States in the world right now. Yes even Saudia Arabia. The very very sad truth is Islam is not what it once used to be. Its being fragmented every day by dumba$$es like osama bin laden and his gang. May God help us all. 585951999[/snapback] Thats an interesting post...thanks for the info. I find it hard to believe that anyone that follows any religion can kill in the name of that religion. I had always heard when I was growing up that Muslims teach the most peaceful practices. In my experiences with Muslim people they are all very very kind and good caring people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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