teeple Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Plain and simple - the bus driver has the authority to run the bus with whatever level of security he sees fit - if something is wrong, it is his responsbility to correct it. The older kid should have been more calmer and although I don't appreciate the way the bus driver handled it... I don't think the two kids should have behaved as they did - no matter what. Had the younger kid obeyed the bus driver in the first place and done what he was told with respect for the bus driver and his authority, then none of this would have transpired. I am only 33 years old, but you better believe that when I was their age, I had respect for my elders and intructors (including my bus driver - who I really liked). It is called RESPECT and I am not surprised that this stuff happens with the way a lot of kids act these days. (and yes, I know there were those few 'special' kids who were just as dis-respectful during the 80's when I was growing up... It just seems like there is a whole new breed of them out there now). Peace, Bill PS - I hope the kids enjoy Juvie - Sit your arses down and buckle up next time kiddies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 I agree with the bus driver. That 15 year old boy had no reason for getting up and standing behind that bus driver. The younger boy should have listened to the bus driver and went to the front of the bus. It's as simple as that. The bus driver was 66 YEARS OLD! Not 35 or 25. What happened to respect. He didn't do anything to deserve having that kid from the back yapping his mouth and then when he goes back there the "tough" 15 year old jumps right behind the bus driver. Maybe the bus driver felt threatened. I hope the kids get a nice punishment. Sooner or later I hope kids start getting punished for things they do and not looking for excuses like every case in the news in the past few years. I wish parents would make their kids accept responsibility 585962834[/snapback] I love this quote. "That 15 year old boy had no reason for getting up and standing behind that bus driver." BEHIND? What's wrong with standing up behind someone. The article says that the kid "Got in his way". If the bus driver wins because the kid "stood in his way", then I'm going to walk down the street and punch the first person to come out from a doorway BEHIND ME and claim they "got in my way". How can someone have to reason to stand up behind a bus driver? He could have been standing up to see what he was going to do. Instead the bus driver flipped. I would see the bus driver jailed for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProtoPunch Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 boys will be boys. this isn't a perfect world, you WILL have your occasional kid on the bus who is a douchebag, but that no way in hell justifies what that bus driver did. he can't touch those kids like that, wtf was he thinking? That's right, he wasn't. As others have said here, he should have told them he wasn't moving the bus till he put his seatbelt on. He should have told the kid it was for his own good. He did do the right thing in calling a deputy, BUT he should of just stayed in his driver seat and waited for the deputy to deal with it, not go upto the kid and basically bitchslap and choke him. If I was the father I would have had an insanely hard time NOT beating the **** out of that bus driver or killing him, but what I would do if I were the parent of the kid was to have that bus driver NEVER drive again, and while were at it, hit'em in the pocketbook with a lawsuit because that's where it counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drshdw Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 I wouldn't, for the only reason being that I have never seen a bus with seat belts. Public transit buses, school buses, coach buses - all of them don't have seat belts.In that case, I'd make sure I have some form of insurance instead of making the school suffer. 585963719[/snapback] So I guess your kids would now be just as good as money. :pinch: I've rode school buses that had seat belts, they do exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullcirclephoenix Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Wow, we Floridians sure have made the national news alot lately. From Terry Chiavo to the rash of child abuctions by convicted sex offenders, we cant seem to stay off the front page. Here's another incident gathering attention across the country. Give the article a read, then come back for my opinion. Oh and I'd say to get the most out of the piece you'll want to watch the video of the incident. I had heard about this incident a few weeks back after it happened and thought that the children were wrong. Having seen the video though, I have to say that my opinion is completely different. That bus driver was 100% wrong for doing what he's doing and it's pathetic that the children are facing tougher charges than he is. Yes, in retrospect, the children should have let the camera capture the incident and not retaliated. However, put yourself in their place as I did. First of all the driver is being a complete @$$hole. Unless the children are getting up and running around, throwing things, or doing something else that could distract the driver from the road he should be the adult and keep his cool. I strongly feel that he had absolutely no right in that incident to raise his voice towards the children that way. As if this guy hadnt made enough mistakes already he actually gets up to go to the back of the bus to try and confront children who are being mouthy. Kids talk sh*t. They think it makes them little bad@$$es. He should have once again been the adult and either ignored it or addressed it when the deputy arrived. Now having made it to the middle of the bus, the original boy's brother makes his mistake by leaving his seat and cursing at the driver. However, again children that age try to act bigger than they are. The driver made an unforgiveable mistake by striking the child and then choking him. I doubt anyone could disagree with that point. The worst part about this incident is that the driver is merely facing a misdemeanor assault charge while the boy is facing a felony. I dont know, maybe the police were not watching the same video. I think a proper punishment for the driver would be to see him fired from his job and have him face charges of felony assault on a minor and attempted murder. The child should not get out of this without charges, but he should be the one facing the misdemeanor assault rap and his sentence should be community service. In the end, there was no excuse for that driver to behave in the manner in which he did and he should suffer greatly for it in a court of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psybapunk Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 like I said, he should have just driven the bus off of a cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 I would call Self-Defence. When a man has your throat and starts pushing you around and threating your brother (as the article says), I would defend myself and my family and show him who's boss. I have been on school buses when I went to high school. Whenever some kind would act up, there is nothing you can do about it. I acted up some days and talked back to the bus driver. We are kids. We do that. This isn't the 1930's anymore. You can't beat a kid when they get out of line. If I was on a bus and the bus driver hit me or my sister, I would for sure hit him just as hard in my way of saying back off. Put yourself in the kids position. Here he was trying to make the other kids on the bus laugh by swearing (Oh my god...a WORD. Really puts a bruise on his face). The bus driver turns around and grabs his throat and pushes him around. That causes bruises. That is physical damage. That stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psybapunk Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 the older brother moves out of the way, once the bus driver gets passed him he starts approaching the driver from the rear screaming and cursing. loud-mouthed little pricks get shot for less than that where I come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Dick Montage Subscriber² Posted May 24, 2005 Subscriber² Share Posted May 24, 2005 Whetever the lads did, there was no cause for that hick-ass bus driver to act that way. He assaulted minors, pure and simple. Yeah they were loudmouths and deserve punishment, but I never agree with dealing punishment out there and then, it needs consideration. But the driver has been put in a situation where he should be able to deal with kids, and he obviously can't. He is at fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted May 24, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 24, 2005 He needs to show more patience. I would've knocked his lights out if I was that kid since they were accused of a felony anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelob Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Plain and simple - the bus driver has the authority to run the bus with whatever level of security he sees fit - if something is wrong, it is his responsbility to correct it. 585963767[/snapback] So lets assume you are a bus driver and i get on your bus and you tell me that i cannot ride it because i dont have a pass. As i am walking off i say in a low tone F&ck you. You see fit to kick me down the stairs of the bus. Thats ok? No its not, dont even say thats this isnt the same situation. The bus driver has rules. He should have waited for the officer and if the kids then came and attacked him it would be self defense for him to push them away or something. Not choke him. Wow, we Floridians sure have made the national news alot lately. From Terry Chiavo to the rash of child abuctions by convicted sex offenders, we cant seem to stay off the front page. Here's another incident gathering attention across the country. Give the article a read, then come back for my opinion. Oh and I'd say to get the most out of the piece you'll want to watch the video of the incident. I had heard about this incident a few weeks back after it happened and thought that the children were wrong. Having seen the video though, I have to say that my opinion is completely different. That bus driver was 100% wrong for doing what he's doing and it's pathetic that the children are facing tougher charges than he is. Yes, in retrospect, the children should have let the camera capture the incident and not retaliated. However, put yourself in their place as I did. First of all the driver is being a complete @$$hole. Unless the children are getting up and running around, throwing things, or doing something else that could distract the driver from the road he should be the adult and keep his cool. I strongly feel that he had absolutely no right in that incident to raise his voice towards the children that way. As if this guy hadnt made enough mistakes already he actually gets up to go to the back of the bus to try and confront children who are being mouthy. Kids talk sh*t. They think it makes them little bad@$$es. He should have once again been the adult and either ignored it or addressed it when the deputy arrived. Now having made it to the middle of the bus, the original boy's brother makes his mistake by leaving his seat and cursing at the driver. However, again children that age try to act bigger than they are. The driver made an unforgiveable mistake by striking the child and then choking him. I doubt anyone could disagree with that point. The worst part about this incident is that the driver is merely facing a misdemeanor assault charge while the boy is facing a felony. I dont know, maybe the police were not watching the same video. I think a proper punishment for the driver would be to see him fired from his job and have him face charges of felony assault on a minor and attempted murder. The child should not get out of this without charges, but he should be the one facing the misdemeanor assault rap and his sentence should be community service. In the end, there was no excuse for that driver to behave in the manner in which he did and he should suffer greatly for it in a court of law. 585964027[/snapback] Yeah us florida folks are making the rounds. A few days back they were running the FULL video. Yes there was a full video people. As they describe they kid was hitting the bus driver. (not shown in current video). After the mouthed off and bus driver choked them they later start hitting him and punching him. I would call Self-Defence. When a man has your throat and starts pushing you around and threating your brother (as the article says), I would defend myself and my family and show him who's boss. 585964063[/snapback] The problem is he later hit the man after he was done attacking him. You cant come and smack me in the face and a week later i shoot your foot and say its self defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em_te Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 I would call Self-Defence. When a man has your throat and starts pushing you around and threating your brother (as the article says), I would defend myself and my family and show him who's boss. 585964063[/snapback] How is showing him "who's boss" considered "self defence"? Put yourself in the kids position. Here he was trying to make the other kids on the bus laugh by swearing (Oh my god...a WORD. Really puts a bruise on his face). The bus driver turns around and grabs his throat and pushes him around. That causes bruises. That is physical damage. That stays. 585964063[/snapback] Bruises heal, although I didn't see enough force by the driver to cause a bruise anyway. But words stay in your memory forever. That is mental damage. Why do you think schools teach about peer-pressure and self-esteem so much? Put yourself in the driver's position. You're working in a minimum wage job. You have to put up with the cursing and the smart-aleeky remarks of teenagers. You ask them to put on a seatbelt for their own safety and you get yelled back at. That crushes your self-esteem and ego. And you get dissed by people younger than you. In a way I would call what the driver did as self-defence of his ego. And remember, education is a privilege, not a right. If kids don't like it then they should stay at home. Note that I'm not justifying the driver's actions. But the argument should be approached from both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eligal Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Maybe its just me, but those were kids and he was a grown adult. not only that, he had already called the cops. in 5 minutes they woulda been there and taken care of it the politically correct way. i dont see at all why the kids are gettting punished, i think only the driver should. (if i was the kid, after he grabbed my throat, instead of getting in his face like they showed, i woulda punched him on the mouth or nose and keep doin it till he passed out, but thats just me...). and this bulls**t about verbal abuse... dude, words hurt, fine you remember it, and bruises heal, but you will remember the bruise too. both of them are a form of violent communication, but the fact is you can walk around and not show that youve been yelled at, while the bruises are there for the world. its like sticking a sign on the kids head sayin "wuss" (which he kinda is, he didnt really fight back, and the other kids didnt help either, they shoulda just jumped the driver and kicked his ass). and if the driver was offended by anything the kids said, he coulda talked to their parents, and, like i mentioned, the cops were already coming, they coulda handles it. and if the school bus driver cant handle kids properly, he shouldnt be working with kids on a daily basis in the first place. let him work security at a mall or something.... either way, my opinion, hes a redneck who should get oldschool punishment, get beat in the boys bathroom until he cant walk or talk and his shirt is red with blood. peace, hehe. :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasabi Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 What would Otto have done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spazztastic Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 only in America :no: 585962803[/snapback] https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=322630 not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+chorpeac MVC Posted May 24, 2005 MVC Share Posted May 24, 2005 Bus Driver 2, smartass boys 0. Love it.Cody 585962828[/snapback] hahaha...nice we are taking score now... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethevans1986 Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 The driver was doing his job, if there had been an accident and the kid had died, who would of been blamed? the seatbelt, the kids older brother or the driver? The kid who got up to defend his younger brother should be fined for swearing at the driver but the driver shouldant of grabbed him by the throat. ChocIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 totally the bus drivers fualt. first rule with dealing with kids that are not yours, YOU DONT TOUCH THEM!!! anyone should know this. parents and the law do not look favorably on touching kids in anyway really. this bus driver had some issues i guess and needed to take them out on people he could. he gets what he deserves, but the boys should not get in any trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PukiMan Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 If I was the bus driver, I would kill those kids. Props to the bus driver to smack those idiot kids, and only smack, and not kill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasabi Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 The driver was doing his job, ChocIST 585965281[/snapback] Who hit first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted May 24, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 24, 2005 Personally I don't think there's enough disicpline in schools. Parents are quick to pawn of responsibility for education to the school, where the school is responsible for everything from drugs to sex, but they can't discipline the kids? Personally if schools were allowed to discipline the kids more I don't think they'd be so mouthy. Personally I'd like to see an educational revolt where schools and teachers flat out disallow problem children into thier schools until either the parents start taking care of the problem, or the parents allow the school to do so as they see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrico1 Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Only in America :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonkwell Bogtrotter Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Only in America :( 585965354[/snapback] Again....not really :rolleyes: https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=322630 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krudomanic Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 A friend sent me a heads up on this article.Source Watch the video. It's just shocking. Normally you'd think it's the kids' fault, but I think not. Sure, he's probably a smartass for cursing at the driver, but that doesn't justify his violent action of choking the hell out of him. And to note that those two get some serious punishment that's more severe than the driver - amazing. :no: This kind of reminds me of that NY teen that had his chair pulled from him. :pinch: 585962788[/snapback] Well I am no expert when it comes to law but to me that looks like GBH (Grievous bodily Harm) the bus driver is clearly assaulting the young boy, and any judge should through this out of court and prosecute the bus driver for assault... in the UK the sentence for GBH is pretty high and it outrageous the driver has not been charged with anything... Shocking :woot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonkwell Bogtrotter Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Well, clearly the bus driver lost control of himself. He should have just ignored the kids. He is clearly assaulting the boy, and went way over the top here. He activly went toward the boy to assault him, therefore that would be GBH imho. He should have just sat down until the deputy (that he called for) arrived. He shouldn't have touched the boy. He is going to be in big trouble with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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