yannis Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 May 29 (Bloomberg) -- France rejected the European Union's constitution in a national referendum, dealing a blow to President Jacques Chirac and European integration. Fifty-six percent voted against the treaty and 44 percent in favor, Interior Minister Dominique de Villepin said, citing official results with 90 percent of ballots counted. The defeat, the first veto of an EU pact by a founding member, may kill the constitution, which requires the approval of all 25 nations. Source: Bloomberg La France rejette nettement le trait? constitutionnel (Le Monde) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayF1 Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 I would never have thaught i would say this "Thank You France" Where do you lib dems stand now eh? Europe to come crashing down *shouts* YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted May 29, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 29, 2005 [Thread Moved from NFN to RWI] It won't "kill" the constitution, it will just sent it back for another round of negotiations. The French citizens didn't like it because there were too many consessions for the UK. Ironically, there probably were not enough concessions to gain UK support anyway. It seems to me that they'll have to carry on without England for the time being... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper217 Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 huh, cant say I blame them, I bet they thought it threatens France's sovereignty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 [Thread Moved from NFN to RWI]It won't "kill" the constitution, it will just sent it back for another round of negotiations. The French citizens didn't like it because there were too many consessions for the UK. Ironically, there probably were not enough concessions to gain UK support anyway. It seems to me that they'll have to carry on without England for the time being... 585987503[/snapback] nah it'll get destroyed... the netherlands and the UK will give it the elbow too. jolly good show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clirion Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 [Thread Moved from NFN to RWI]It won't "kill" the constitution, it will just sent it back for another round of negotiations. The French citizens didn't like it because there were too many consessions for the UK. Ironically, there probably were not enough concessions to gain UK support anyway. It seems to me that they'll have to carry on without England for the time being... 585987503[/snapback] Actually, at this time it is offically dead. It required all Signatuaries to approve the refurendem. Without France, it could not take affect. With the Netherlands probrably rejecting it, the UK will not even offer it for a Vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted May 30, 2005 Administrators Share Posted May 30, 2005 Well, I can't say I blame the French. European unity (to an extent) is good but the EU constitution is pretty unfair for many nations in the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvo Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 I agree with the French on voting no on the constitution. I think Europe isn't ready yet. Also having gone back over the last few years to my home country, The Netherlands, I only think the EU has hurt NL instead of helping them. The last time I was in Holland (April 04) it seems the average citizen was pretty bitter about its own government (ex: Harry Potter the prime minister) and about the EU in general. Obviously introducing a constitution at this time just wasn't "the right thing todo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yannis Posted May 30, 2005 Author Share Posted May 30, 2005 Here is an interesting article (in french) from Belgium that correlates the EU Vote to the Eurovision song contest. Les Fran?ais vont voter "non" car ils ont perdu l'Eurovision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSoul Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 I agree with the French on voting no on the constitution. I think Europe isn't ready yet. Also having gone back over the last few years to my home country, The Netherlands, I only think the EU has hurt NL instead of helping them. The last time I was in Holland (April 04) it seems the average citizen was pretty bitter about its own government (ex: Harry Potter the prime minister) and about the EU in general. Obviously introducing a constitution at this time just wasn't "the right thing todo" 585988994[/snapback] isnt Holland the country where many government officials are anti islam. or is that denmark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azusa Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 europe on the hole is united enugh with out becomeing something like amerika the only contry in europe that could be consderd an outcast is germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaffra Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 ^ive always felt the uk was the outcast :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azusa Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 no we'r just slightly better than everyone elce in europe simply becuse we built a bigger and better empire than the others did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Bourricot Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Yeah but where's that empire now? Let's have a France-England quick comparisons: Trains on time: Yes - No Trains cheap and fast: Yes - No (cost me 52 quid for return Manchester - London!) Roads smooth, wide and not that many jams: Yes - No Food: YES - ABSOLUTELY NOT Price of life: Cheap - outrageously expensive Price of housing: going up but still rather cheap - simply stunningly sky-high + that stupid lease system is just crap Medical service: excellent, paid back by social security so technically is free - good for specialities, not so amazing for general practice (if it's bacterial, have antibiotics, if it's viral, have paracetamol. Aspirin is a deadly poison to avoid at all costs). Landscape: there's a reason all Brits flock to France Now something you'll be sensible to as a Brit: Booze: 0.9 euros for 1.5l of Kro - ?2.50 for a pint of Kro Finally: Chavs: no - yes The only half good thing about England is that the language is spoken all over the world, but thats thanks to the US not you. Oh and the people are generally nicer. But still... France 1 - UK 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azusa Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 well if we didn't keep so close to amerika we'd save hella lot a money you want someone to blame blame government our biggest misstake was overly sideing with the USA post WW2 chavs are a result of amrikan culture messing up our own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlibbyFlobby Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 .......France 1 - UK 0 585989788[/snapback] Politicians are all to blame for this kind of stuff anyway, theres nothing the rest of us can do here, I mean even our voting is useless because half the postal votes are so obviously rigged and with the current voting system Labour got in on next to no votes. As for Britain being the outcast in Europe I'd agree, buts its got nothing to do with our Empire I think its alot to do with the UK public's stance on Europe, and surrendering to the Euro and the fact that alot of Europe believes the typical British stereo type of hating France, Germany etc. Its kind of ironic in some respects that we're so outcast considering our contribution to WW2 if you ask me. I do think we support America too much too, I still get the impression they think they won the war without us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_87 Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 What was it exactly in the Constitution caused them to reject it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSoul Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 it gave even power to all countries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Bourricot Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 I do think we support America too much too, I still get the impression they think they won the war without us. 585991561[/snapback] Well they did! Except for using the islands to store their army, being protected by the RAF, using intelligence from the British Intelligence Service, being fed by Brits, ... Ah well. It's 3/4 of a century old now - there's nothing as elusive as the past. Although I have to say Blair is a more charismatic leader than Kennedy who just looks like an oversized crybaby. I still thought Lib Dem had better policies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guru Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 French rejecting "eu constitution" is a best thing that ever happened to europe in the last few years. The constitution was of the buerocrats, by the buerocrats and for the buerocrats atleast according to media here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redFX Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 For those who don't know, with the no vote, there is a chance now for equality in europe amongst the eu nations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcom826 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 I still get the impression they think they won the war without us. How on earth did you get that impression? American media makes very plain how all our allies have abandoned us with the exception of a select few. And yuri, its AmeriCa not AmeriKa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPaul Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Is their an English source? Plus an English source of the entire constitutions would be nice. And what's the deal with the French President appointing a new PM just because the French voters rejected the constituion... why did the PM do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted June 1, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 1, 2005 Is their an English source? Plus an English source of the entire constitutions would be nice. And what's the deal with the French President appointing a new PM just because the French voters rejected the constituion... why did the PM do? 585997937[/snapback] Losing the referrendum was incredibly embarrasing. There was no need to send it out to the general public, Jacques Chirac could have sent it to parliament for ratification. The old PM was tremendously unpopular so he made a very good sacraficial lamb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_87 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Why was the constitution not fair for all EU countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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