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yeah google is good ;)

I dont trust skinbenches benchmarks. I cant see watercolor being sometimes 3x 'slower' then a WB skin (which I picked out because I felt it was way slower then watercolor). It might be accurate testing WB skin against WB skin, or msstyle against msstyle, but I dont think WB v.s. msstyle is playing fair :)

Chris

Binary, you are the best. I have been using Watercolor for longer than i can remember. I loved it when it was the official theme for whistler, and then the luna garbage came. As soon as this happened, I searched for a way to port xp back to the whistler feel. I installed your theme and havn't removed it since.

Oh speaking of speed...

I downloaded the most recent build of skinbench, and tested watercolor against a few WB skins.

And although watercolor is visually faster then the skins I tried for WB (yes I know there are some faster ones but I wanted to test this out) Watercolor failed miserably. I wonder why this is.

hmmmm

Chris

msstyle works better for me. :p [wb sucks]

No more updates will be available at Neowin.

Oh and I'd like a mod to remove the links from the first page, since i cant seem to edit the post.

No more updates will be available at Neowin.

Oh and I'd like a mod to remove the links from the first page, since i cant seem to edit the post.

My compliments for this style! Are you really gonna quite it? If so i would like to thank you for your work!

No no.

I'm not going to stop work on watercolor. I just dont think Neowin is a place to get comments on it anymore. I'm sick and tired of people here bashing authors work's, not just mine, but almost every theme thread now has some ###### spouting their mouth off, and discouraging the author in some way. Untill this place gets cleaned up, I wont be releasing any updates here. I hope other authors follow suit. It's really getting disgusting, the way authors are treated here.

Chris

well said, why not just get ur own site? hell even get some sort of comment system that way u have total control over bad comments ;)

I was hoping it would never have to come to having my own site to 'control' my theme. I always wanted to just keep it small, and in the community, which worked until people saw the need to: start demanding updates, putting authors down, making fun of their themes and even making crude remarks in some cases (yes I know I say crude things to people occasionally, I'm not perfect, but I dont put down others hard work). This isnt just about my theme (I really dont care about it anymore), I have enough respect for the authors here to take a stand, and show what can happen if people keep doing this, if anything this is a simple life lesson. :)

Chris

I was hoping it would never have to come to having my own site to 'control' my theme. I always wanted to just keep it small, and in the community, which worked until people saw the need to: start demanding updates, putting authors down, making fun of their themes and even making crude remarks in some cases (yes I know I say crude things to people occasionally, I'm not perfect, but I dont put down others hard work). This isnt just about my theme (I really dont care about it anymore), I have enough respect for the authors here to take a stand, and show what can happen if people keep doing this, if anything this is a simple life lesson. :)

Chris

Yeah, that is true dude. I don't post much here anyway, I'm more of a lurker. But, I do remember before this theme was released, when you were showing preview pics of it, but kept on delaying the release date - everyone thought it was vaporware... if i'm not mistaken

well you pretty much have the most respect to neowin's users that were regged quite more than a few months, your the only author that has kept 1 single theme alive the longest, your theme is the only theme that is pretty much bug free, you make changes that are at most request on feedback,. just wish neowin could go back to at least a year ago, poop that ruled the customizing community was small but hell if it didnt rule. :cool:

I was hoping it would never have to come to having my own site to 'control' my theme. I always wanted to just keep it small, and in the community, which worked until people saw the need to: start demanding updates, putting authors down, making fun of their themes and even making crude remarks in some cases (yes I know I say crude things to people occasionally, I'm not perfect, but I dont put down others hard work). This isnt just about my theme (I really dont care about it anymore), I have enough respect for the authors here to take a stand, and show what can happen if people keep doing this, if anything this is a simple life lesson. :)

Chris

Yeah, that is true dude. I don't post much here anyway, I'm more of a lurker. But, I do remember before this theme was released, when you were showing preview pics of it, but kept on delaying the release date - everyone thought it was vaporware... if i'm not mistaken

well that was understandable, Skinning XP with 3rd party skins was brand new, and 99% of people here didnt even know about it at that time. I am pretty sure watercolor was the second fully finished theme to be 'released' next to toothpaste, well, and luna of course, but that wasnt 3rd party. And thats only because TGTSoft let me beta test all of their software, or I wouldnt have ever got into skinning most likely. :)

Chris

No more updates will be available at Neowin.

Oh and I'd like a mod to remove the links from the first page, since i cant seem to edit the post.

My compliments for this style! Are you really gonna quite it? If so i would like to thank you for your work!

No no.

I'm not going to stop work on watercolor. I just dont think Neowin is a place to get comments on it anymore. I'm sick and tired of people here bashing authors work's, not just mine, but almost every theme thread now has some ###### spouting their mouth off, and discouraging the author in some way. Untill this place gets cleaned up, I wont be releasing any updates here. I hope other authors follow suit. It's really getting disgusting, the way authors are treated here.

Chris

Ok thats good news. :laugh: But yeah its very lame people are bashing you and other authors. Why do people always have to spoil it for a whole community. :angry:

No more updates will be available at Neowin.

Oh and I'd like a mod to remove the links from the first page, since i cant seem to edit the post.

My compliments for this style! Are you really gonna quite it? If so i would like to thank you for your work!

No no.

I'm not going to stop work on watercolor. I just dont think Neowin is a place to get comments on it anymore. I'm sick and tired of people here bashing authors work's, not just mine, but almost every theme thread now has some ###### spouting their mouth off, and discouraging the author in some way. Untill this place gets cleaned up, I wont be releasing any updates here. I hope other authors follow suit. It's really getting disgusting, the way authors are treated here.

Chris

Binary,

It is quite obvious that there is at least one user that loves watercolor and is using it unmodded and not complaining. Is it worth stopping communicating with this one user? Conversely you could say there are loads of people who slam the theme, lets take a show of hands.... who doesn't have watercolor on their system..... I think prettymuch everyone has..... and there's a reason for that......

I understand your gripes with NeoWin.... but let me tell you this... I post for the one who send me an e-mail about my great new VS... not the one that says my design is all wrong.... I have had the xsame issues since I joined.

There will always be those that say "I can do it better".... for some reason.... they never come up with the goods...... You, I and everyone else (including the lamers) know that watercolor will not be finished until you finish it..... even if they won't admit it...... but I will........

don't turn your back on the community.... please......

Peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

Ok.

Here's the deal. I will continue to update this thread with new build info.

This is only because this thread has yet to turn into one flame war after another.

If it becomes one, I hope it will be cleaned up, but if it isnt then I will completely stop the updates.

Watercolor Plus is still being worked on, just not updated here, because it's obvious some cant be patient enough to work on a group project together.

Anyways if you were one of the top contributors to the watercolor plus thread (the negative contributors need not apply) then contact me (I'm sure most of you know my email), and we can try working on it together as a team. :)

I realize it isnt fair to punish a whole community because of a few people being jerks. I just felt I needed a time out more then anyone else :D

Sorry if I worried anyone. :p

Chris

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