gooten2u Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 i started to use fire fox a couple days ago and i don't really notice a difference from IE i was going to try opera but someone told me that browser cost money and if it does no more than IE or firefox i would rather save my money thank you for your comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted June 2, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 2, 2005 Are you using Deer Park? Have you applied any speed tweaks? Firefox is just blazing fast compared to IE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooten2u Posted June 2, 2005 Author Share Posted June 2, 2005 Are you using Deer Park? Have you applied any speed tweaks?Firefox is just blazing fast compared to IE. 586006450[/snapback] i haven't done anything to it just downloaded it and started using Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entropyx Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Are you using Deer Park? Have you applied any speed tweaks?Firefox is just blazing fast compared to IE. 586006450[/snapback] Nah. It's marginally faster, very slightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooten2u Posted June 2, 2005 Author Share Posted June 2, 2005 where can i get firefox plugins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Xinok Subscriber² Posted June 2, 2005 Subscriber² Share Posted June 2, 2005 where can i get firefox plugins 586006477[/snapback] http://www.extensionsmirror.nl Just to dispel the most common theories: - There is no real proof Firefox or Opera are more secure than IE, other than IE is the most popular so is the most likely to be hacked. - Opera is probably faster than IE. Firefox 1.04 definitely is slower than IE though. Deerpark may be slightly faster, but it is still in its alpha stage and can be buggy. The extensions are IMO what make Firefox a great browser. But most of the problems with Firefox can be caused by extensions. They can cause minor problems like graphical glitches, to major problems where Firefox doesn't even start up anymore. Opera itself comes with a load of features, including a built in email client and other things. Lots of people claim that Opera won't render some pages correctly though. And as you said, it is not free. You can still use Opera for free if you don't mind the banner ad at the top (When you first run Opera, you can choose between text ads and graphical ads). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chlorpromazine Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Just to dispel the most common theories:- There is no real proof Firefox or Opera are more secure than IE, other than IE is the most popular so is the most likely to be hacked. [...] Opera itself comes with a load of features, including a built in email client and other things. Lots of people claim that Opera won't render some pages correctly though[...] 586006549[/snapback] Well, as long as Opera or Firefox don't support ActiveX they're actually more secure than IE (but both of them have some vulnerability, it's true). Opera has the best rendering engine, but many websites are optimized for IE-only users, so they won't be rendered correctly. If a website is well coded, it's likely to be better viewed with Opera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0z Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 I found too many problems with using FFox, too many web sites that don't look or work right. I wanted tabs. I got Maxthon and problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamanXplosion Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 entropyx, have you tried the Firefox 1.1 alpha? It's much faster than Internet Explorer. The 1.0x series was only marginally faster than Internet Explorer, but the 1.1 series leaves it in the dust. As for the reasons Firefox/Opera are better: speed, security, functionality, the whole kit-and-kaboodle really. I personally prefer Opera, but Firefox is also a good choice, both are better than Internet Explorer. Here's the reasons I like Opera... Speed - Opera 8.0 is the fastest browser available. Firefox 1.1 Alpha gives it a run for its money though, the difference is probably unnoticable without a timer. Internet Explorer is slow by default because it doesn't really take advantage of pipelining (that's the fancy way of saying "reusing connections instead of opening more") and it has problems caching (temporary internet files) pages which have been compressed so it will download things over and over and over. Opera 8.0 does not suffer from these problems, it has really fast rendering, and utilizes memory to make browsing faster. Security - Opera 8.0 currently has the best security record, no known vulnerabilities and it also includes anti-phishing technology to prevent people from tricking you into entering personal information. Internet Explorer has a whole bunch of security vulnerabilities (this includes any IE-shells). Firefox 1.0x has 4 known security vulnerabilities, I'm not sure about 1.1 though. Features - Opera 8.0 offers practically everything you could want in an Internet suite. Very customizable interface, powerful multi-document browsing, news feeds (RSS and Atom feeds), mouse gestures for easy navigation, IRC chat capabilities, side panel which allows you to take notes which also reference where the notes were taken (double-clicking on them will take you to the source), innovative email client, voice capabilities so you can browse with your voice or have Opera read text back to you, simple download manager, etc. The *only* time I open another Internet-related application is to upload to FTP servers (you can download from FTP servers though), hopefully they will include that in a later version. Download Opera and give it a try. Use it for a couple of days and decide wether or not it's worth paying for. Don't just use it for a couple of hours and decide because that would be hasty, you would be judging on the differences from Internet Explorer rather than the way the application really works. Opera may appear a little quirky at first, but the integration of features makes it really productive and fun to use. I believe that Opera is worth paying for, it's a great application and it helps fund the developers so they can continue to make it better. You can't really go wrong with Firefox or Opera, they're both great browsers. I do beg that you switch from Internet Explorer though, it's a peice of junk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orien Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 I really don't agree. I have been using IE 6 ever since it has come out. And I have never had any security issues or anything to make me want to switch. Besides, I currently have Firefox 1.0.4 which I use as my secondary browser. There isn't any speed difference either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted June 3, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 3, 2005 I really don't agree. I have been using IE 6 ever since it has come out. And I have never had any security issues or anything to make me want to switch. Besides, I currently have Firefox 1.0.4 which I use as my secondary browser. There isn't any speed difference either. 586007559[/snapback] Try 1.1. Deer Park Alpha 1 is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moglenstar Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 I found too many problems with using FFox, too many web sites that don't look or work right.I wanted tabs. I got Maxthon and problem solved. 586007361[/snapback] your comment is quite funny actually see, in firefox, sites do display right, as it renders according to webstandards, how a page should render. in ie (or in your case maxthon, which is IE) however, the pages render *wrong*, but only to the rules of webstandards. internet explorer has a lot of its own rendering techniques for webpages, and they cause a lot of problem for people designing sites cross platform, and cross browser. im sure any site you view in firefox, that you claim is broken, will look more or less 1:1 in opera, safari, or any other webstandards based browser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 For me personally using Firefox is better then IE for the Tabs and extensions like Adblock for instance. I also like how it sets out the Bookmarks under the address bar instead of clicking a button like on IE to display them in a collum. But thats me I think you should use what ever browser you want I don't care what browser you use as long as your happy. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0z Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 your comment is quite funny actuallysee, in firefox, sites do display right, as it renders according to webstandards, how a page should render. in ie (or in your case maxthon, which is IE) however, the pages render *wrong*, but only to the rules of webstandards. internet explorer has a lot of its own rendering techniques for webpages, and they cause a lot of problem for people designing sites cross platform, and cross browser. im sure any site you view in firefox, that you claim is broken, will look more or less 1:1 in opera, safari, or any other webstandards based browser 586007577[/snapback] Did you read what you wrote? So web pages are rendered correctly but they just don't display correctly. What do I don't care about what standards IE follows or FFox follows. All I care about is what I can see. The rest is just academic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadwlf Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Speed - Opera 8.0 is the fastest browser available.586007518[/snapback] *ahem* http://lynx.browser.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgleason007 Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 http://www.extensionsmirror.nlJust to dispel the most common theories: - There is no real proof Firefox or Opera are more secure than IE, other than IE is the most popular so is the most likely to be hacked. 586006549[/snapback] Ummm, yes there is. Neither is woven into the OS like IE, so it is inherently more secure. Neither do they support active X, so yes, they are more secure than IE. The "most popular" argument is tired and just plain wrong. Apache is used more than IIS, but which gets hacked more? Oh yeah, the closed-source, Microsoft product. I believe Linux is used more on servers, although MS may slightly outnumber it. It's close in any case, and again, the closed-source, Microsoft product gets hacked more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgleason007 Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 *ahem*http://lynx.browser.org/ 586007943[/snapback] :laugh: I knew someone would catch that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llbbl Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 FireFox is OpenSource community developed not owned and controlled by evil overlord MS. Firefox has tons of awesome Extensions that allow it to do lots of different things that IE can't. https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/?application=firefox Those are my top two reasons I stay far away from IE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+E.Worm Jimmy Subscriber¹ Posted June 3, 2005 Subscriber¹ Share Posted June 3, 2005 extensions is the main reason i switched to firefox. i already had tabs etc on ie - maxthon. i did not enconter broken sites more then once in last 2 month - so its a non-issue for me. speed wise - same. only customizing firefox to the way i like it with extension keeps me with it. i also lok forward to 1.1 speed increases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamanXplosion Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 There is no real proof Firefox or Opera are more secure than IE, other than IE is the most popular so is the most likely to be hacked. No real proof? Look at Secunia, 20 unpatched vulnerabilities for Internet Explorer which range from title bar spoofing, status bar spoofing, web page spoofing, etc. Internet Explorer is a death trap. Firefox only has 4 security vulnerabilities and they're nowhere near as serious as the exploits in Internet Explorer, and plus it's also unlikely to see the exploits in the wild due to the miniscule marketshare. Opera has 0 security vulnerabilities AND includes anti-phishing technologies (phishing is what happens when people exploit the spoofing vulnerabilities in Internet Explorer to trick people.) Firefox and Opera are also not embedded into Windows Explorer and neither support ActiveX. And don't even get me started about how long it takes for each browser company to patch their product, Internet Explorer typically takes a month or more, Firefox and Opera can usually nail the problem within a few days. There's plenty of evidence to support the fact that Opera and Firefox are more secure than Internet Explorer. I really don't agree. I have been using IE 6 ever since it has come out. And I have never had any security issues or anything to make me want to switch. Besides, I currently have Firefox 1.0.4 which I use as my secondary browser. There isn't any speed difference either. If you consider 20 unpatched security vulnerabilities a non-issue for security, then don't come crying to us when you're caught with your pants down. And Firefox 1.1 Alpha blows Internet Explorer completely out of the water. Did you read what you wrote? So web pages are rendered correctly but they just don't display correctly. What do I don't care about what standards IE follows or FFox follows. All I care about is what I can see. The rest is just academic. You should care about the standards the browsers follow. Because of the lack of standards support in Internet Explorer mobile devices have never been what they could be because sites are written for Internet Explorer instead of the standards, people with physical disabilities cannot browse most of the web, and it continues the monopoly Microsoft has over the market. Standards are about interoperability, which is the same problem you're here whining about, but you don't care about the solution? You're an odd fellow... *ahem*http://lynx.browser.org/ I was referring to browsers that are worth using. And you seem to be uninformed, because Opera can be configured to work the same as Lynx and under that configuration it would also blow Lynx out of the water due to its multi-document interface and HTTP pipelining capabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_demilord Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 (edited) I use Firefox because. 1. Speed 2. Security http://secunia.com/product/11/ Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.x with all vendor patches installed and all vendor workarounds applied, is currently affected by one or more Secunia advisories rated Highly critical This is based on the most severe Secunia advisory, which is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. Go to Unpatched/Patched list below for details. Currently, 20 out of 81 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. 3. tabbed browsing 4. extensions https://addons.mozilla.org/ 5. web standards http://nanobox.chipx86.com/browser_support.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers Edited June 3, 2005 by mr_demilord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moglenstar Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Did you read what you wrote? So web pages are rendered correctly but they just don't display correctly. What do I don't care about what standards IE follows or FFox follows. All I care about is what I can see. The rest is just academic. 586007933[/snapback] yes i read what i wrote. as a webdesigner, im pointing out that firefox, renders correct, and ie does not. if you would read this article - http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2...11.html#a000470 and look anywhere on the internet about internet explorer's support for standards, and valid css support, im sure you would find good reason to switch to a standards based browser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan1el^ Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Opera is FREE. Repeat after me, Opera is free. Opera costs money IF you want e-mail support and to get rid of the ad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 One of the reasons I left IE is because I don't like using a browser that isn't up-to-date with the latest web standards. IE has horrible CSS2 support. When it comes to standards Firefox beats them all. I've been trying out Opera for periods of times.. back when it was Opera 5 I've used it a little, when it was Opera 6 I played with it (and it became my default browser for a while), then Opera 7 and 8. But I kept coming back to Mozilla (at that time, and now Firefox) because it renders pages better. (plus Firefox has better DHTML support and performance). Anyways, my point is, IE stinks, and by using it you're just encouraging crappy web developers to keep developing invalid/non-standard web pages. You should use anything BUT IE. Whether it is Opera8 or Firefox. I've just gotten too used to Firefox, and not even IE7 with tabbed browsing and better CSS2 support are going to win me back. You just wait for Firefox 1.5, it is going to kick so much ass that it'll blow you away. There's good possibility that you will actually get hardware accelerated (opengl) rendering of web pages (and the interface itself too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamanXplosion Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 When it comes to standards Firefox beats them all. I assume you have something to back that statement up? Firefox and Opera fail the Acid2 test with roughly the same amount of errors. However, Opera is already close to having all of the problems fixed and will be releasing the changes with Opera 8.01 if there aren't any serious regressions with popular sites. Firefox, on the other hand, won't pass Acid2 until version 1.5, which is fairly far away. But I kept coming back to Mozilla (at that time, and now Firefox) because it renders pages better. (plus Firefox has better DHTML support and performance). Opera is faster when it comes to manipulating the DOM and rendering. Firefox excels at mathemetics and loops. In my experience, manipulating the DOM and re-rendering is much more common in DHTML than math or loops. Therefore, I would have to say that Opera has better DHTML performance. By "DHTML support", what are you referring to? There's no major problems with either, as far as I'm aware. Firefox supports a few prorietary abilities like MIDAS but when it comes to the actual standard for ECMAScript, I haven't noticed many problems with either. Anyways, my point is, IE stinks, and by using it you're just encouraging crappy web developers to keep developing invalid/non-standard web pages. I agree with you about this, sort of. Just because a site passes the validation test doesn't mean it's standards-compliant, the test can only check the syntax of pages; it cannot check semantics. Even the best designers have to sacrifice true standards-compliance if they want to get pages to work in Internet Explorer. Internet Explorer is a pain for all of us. You just wait for Firefox 1.5, it is going to kick so much ass that it'll blow you away. There's good possibility that you will actually get hardware accelerated (opengl) rendering of web pages (and the interface itself too). How would Firefox benefit from having its interface rendered with OpenGL? OpenGL is faster than GDI, that's for certain, but the impact of OpenGL on Firefox's interface would be unnoticeable. If Firefox wants to improve the performance of their interface, they should abandon XUL so their application starts faster and uses less CPU resources. The rendering may benefit from the change to OpenGL, but I think it would be a wasted effort. Longhorn and MacOSX already use similar display systems and they wouldn't require the extra OpenGL layer, if anything Firefox would slow down on these operating systems. With OpenGL being considered, it seems like Mozilla is working backward rather than forward... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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