+virtorio MVC Posted June 20, 2005 MVC Share Posted June 20, 2005 Should I change the browser setting to identify itself as Opera? Is there a reason to? How would I do it? It is one of the items you can have on the toolbar, but I find some web sites deliver me worse looking content when I switch it to Opera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techno_Funky Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 whoa!!! nice article quite intresting facts put out especially the identfy as I.e/mozilla thing :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted June 20, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 20, 2005 Where's the hating from Firefox?It seems to me Opera is jealous of all the attention FF gets. 586092965[/snapback] It's been a constant battle back and forth. The Fx team is just as guilty at taking cheap shots. One thing that hurts Opera is the UserAgent changer. How many people are forced to use it to report as IE just so some pages work properly? That can only diminish the number of counted users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolchan Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 The sad thing about Opera is that it has been out a long time ago. A lot longer than Firefox. But it haven't managed to get more people to use them, most webmasters and developers don't seem to care about it much either :( That's why most Opera users have to identify the browser as another. Maybe they should hire a new marketing guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhav Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 just jealousy. simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted June 20, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 20, 2005 just jealousy. simple as that. 586094085[/snapback] No, it's not. Look into this "feud" deeper and you'll just see two teams that dislike each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drshdw Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 who cares. opera is a garbage browser, it has ads, its not free, and its not even that stable. it has crashed quite a few times on me and i wasnt even surfing. i was on google.ca and it was idle. 586093094[/snapback] And FF doesn't crash o.O Dream on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lare2 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 ...........claims a rival browser maker That's where the credibility of the article goes away. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹ Posted June 20, 2005 Subscriber¹ Share Posted June 20, 2005 Don't you just love teh FUD Flinging?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Suraci Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 who cares. opera is a garbage browser, it has ads, its not free, and its not even that stable. it has crashed quite a few times on me and i wasnt even surfing. i was on google.ca and it was idle. 586093094[/snapback] Unstable? Sounds more like your computer. :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0z Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Opera having a cheap shot at Firefox and Mozilla :sleep: Silly Opera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamanXplosion Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Opera's certainly not jealous of Firefox's success. When Firefox is promoted the end user becomes aware of alternative browsers to Internet Explorer and that opens the door for Opera as well. The only statement that implies jealousy was the "sugar daddy" remark; however, they have the right to be jealous of such a radically different financial situation. Firefox gets millions of dollars put into its bank account for no apparent reason, who wouldn't be jealous? Also, jealousy and mud-slinging are two totally separate ballgames, the "rich sugar daddy" comment was jealousy, not mud-slinging. For the "better caching mechanism" remark, that's absolutely true. Opera caches the rendered page in memory and automatically displays it when needed. Firefox 1.0x caches the individual files but contacts the server before using the cached content and then has to rerender the page. Firefox 1.1 copied Opera's caching mechanism (because it IS better.) As for the statements in the article, they're almost all accurate. Opera's caching mechanism does result in Opera being counted less than other browsers (everytime you hit the back button in Internet Explorer 6 or Firefox 1.0x, they get counted as an extra visit because they contact the server.) Firefox also takes advantage of link prefetching which causes Firefox's user percentage to increase amongst several sites (do a search on Google and the top search results are automatically visited, which inflates the firefox-percentages on those sites, and Opera/IE percentages decrease as a result.) The one mistake I did find in the article is the comment about how the user-agent switching functionality in Opera makes Opera get counted less. That's nonsense, the programs identifying user-agents are causing Opera to be counted less! Even under different user-agents, Opera can still be identified accurately ("Opera" is visible in all user-agent strings selectable by the user.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeM741 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I'd believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcv Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I'm greatly amused by the irony behind this. Opera is trying to claim that Firefox's ability to load websites faster is...somehow a bad thing... 586093780[/snapback] Opera did not say Firefox loads websites faster. It simply said it uses a technique to preload pages it thinks you are going to. This does not imply sites loading faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_ralphie Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Where's the hating from Firefox?It seems to me Opera is jealous of all the attention FF gets. 586092965[/snapback] read asa's blog. he's a rabid mozilla employee/troll. and the mozillazine admins and moderators take cheap shots at opera and insult opera users all the time. I'm greatly amused by the irony behind this. Opera is trying to claim that Firefox's ability to load websites faster is...somehow a bad thing... if only you had a clue... he's saying that prefetching could inflate stats since it downloads pages the user won't even visit. geez, firefox zealots... And take a look at the wording in that article... Opera's cache is "more efficient", because...it doesn't help the browser load search results faster? Hmmm...don't you just love marketing? Remember guys, its not "global warming", its "global...climate change." no, firefox zealot, opera caches more aggressively than firefox. it keeps images and stuff in its cache instead of downloading it each time as firefox does. get a clue. Reeks of desperation, plus, I bet Opera isn't too happy with the whole misunderstanding/misrepresentation of what awards they got (or rather, didn't) from PCWorld. They're just stung, and are trying to shoot back. 586093780[/snapback] about time too. mozilla has gotten away with lying about opera for too long. Opera having a cheap shot at Firefox and Mozilla :sleep: Silly Opera. 586094463[/snapback] mozilla has had far more cheap shots than opera. read asa's blog. and the difference is that the zdnet article is written in a certain way by the journalist to make it look like a flamewar, while asa is really flaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowMeNeo Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 read asa's blog. he's a rabid mozilla employee/troll. and the mozillazine admins and moderators take cheap shots at opera and insult opera users all the time.if only you had a clue... he's saying that prefetching could inflate stats since it downloads pages the user won't even visit. geez, firefox zealots... no, firefox zealot, opera caches more aggressively than firefox. it keeps images and stuff in its cache instead of downloading it each time as firefox does. get a clue. about time too. mozilla has gotten away with lying about opera for too long. mozilla has had far more cheap shots than opera. read asa's blog. and the difference is that the zdnet article is written in a certain way by the journalist to make it look like a flamewar, while asa is really flaming. 586110144[/snapback] Here is the bottom line: Until Opera is free without any ads it will always be scraping the bottom of the barrel of the browser world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 Here is the bottom line: Until Opera is free without any ads it will always be scraping the bottom of the barrel of the browser world. 586110538[/snapback] That's not happening. They are a self sufficient company. No huge multi million dollar donations coming into them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowMeNeo Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 That's not happening. They are a self sufficient company. No huge multi million dollar donations coming into them. 586110626[/snapback] Which is too bad. Could you imagine the stir it would cause at MS if Opera and Firefox were both free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Douglas Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 UPDATE! Proof that Firefox is 'inflated' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimy Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 UPDATE!Proof that Firefox is 'inflated' 586110658[/snapback] sorry, lame :no: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹ Posted June 23, 2005 Subscriber¹ Share Posted June 23, 2005 UPDATE!Proof that Firefox is 'inflated' 586110658[/snapback] :sleep: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samoa Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 who cares? FF is a good browser. I use both IE and FF. I wont' use opera though...no need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimy Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 ^ lol samoa, you take that warn thing seriously and yet u come up with such a sig :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 who cares. opera is a garbage browser, it has ads, its not free, and its not even that stable. it has crashed quite a few times on me and i wasnt even surfing. i was on google.ca and it was idle. 586093094[/snapback] The browser wasn't really idle, it performs background tasks like mail checking. RSS used to crash it alot, its quite ok now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyranthus Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 i like Opera alot, but this just makes them sound like crybabies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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