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Japan 'violated' Chinese sovereignty, says FM

By Hu Xiao (China Daily)

Updated: 2005-06-21 23:00

China called on Japan yesterday to respect the rights of Chinese fishermen, including those from Taiwan.

FM spokesman Liu Jianchao speaks at a regular press conference on June 21, 2005. [newsphoto]

"The Chinese side is strongly dissatisfied with Japan's forcible expulsion of Taiwan fisherman in Chinese territory around the Diaoyu Islands," Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said yesterday at a regular briefing.

"For Japan to forcibly expel Taiwanese fishermen doing their work in that area is a violation of China's rights and sovereignty," Liu said.

"We ask that Japan pays attention to the Chinese side's concerns and practically and prudently handles the related problems."

A Beijing-based diplomatic source said the Chinese ministry had lodged a protest with the Japanese Embassy in Beijing via "normal diplomatic channels" earlier this month.

Liu also reaffirmed China's claim to the Diaoyu Islands and their adjacent islets in the East China Sea, saying they have long been an integral part of Chinese territory and Chinese fishing grounds for generations.

Also yesterday, Taiwan sent a navy frigate with 15 local politicians and more than 100 journalists on board to protect its fishermen in the waters about 65 nautical miles (120 kilometres) northeast of Taiwan.

The frigate's four-hour voyage came after Taiwanese fishermen complained of being harassed by Japanese patrol boats.

Taiwan said more than 10 of its fishing boats had been expelled from the area or detained by Japan this year and urged Tokyo to resolve the issue quickly through negotiation.

China and Japan are divided on the issue of demarcation of the continental shelf of the East China Sea. China has insisted on negotiation and appealed for joint exploration of resources in the disputed waters but Japan drew a "median line" across the area without consulting China.

The Japanese Government last month began granting Japanese firms the right to conduct test drilling for potential oil and gas fields in the area, which China called "a serious provocation."

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I wish China and Japan would just get over it already. Jesus Christ.

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It's not just China and Japan, Taiwan sent frigates, submarines and F 16s to that region, bringing along 15 politicians.

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It has. China and Japan are the Palestine and Israel of the Far East. Somebody needs to put them both into a corner until they stop acting like pouty 3-year-olds.

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If you ask the PRC, Taiwan is China. :p

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If you ask Taiwan, PRC is a part of ROC, Mongolia and Diaoyu Islands are also considered to be part of ROC.

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No, they stopped claiming sovereignty over the mainland in 1991.

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Its current constitution still thinks so.

From Article 26

2.  Delegates to represent Mongolia shall be elected on the basis of four for each League and one for each Special Banner.

Article 91

The Control Yuan shall be composed of Members to be elected by Provincial and Municipal Councils, the local Councils of Mongolia and Tibet, and Chinese citizens residing abroad.  Their quotas shall be allotted according to the following provisions:

1.  Five Members for each Province.

2.  Two Members for each Municipality under the direct jurisdiction of the Executive Yuan.

3.  Eight Members for the Mongolian Leagues and Banners.

4.  Eight Members for Tibet.

5.  Eight Members for Chinese citizens residing abroad.

I know many Taiwanese people, most of them are still patriotic towards China. They just don't like the Chinese Communist government, even though they had an authoritarian government up until the 90s. Some of them might not identify politically with PRC they are still ethinically and culturally Chinese. So I believe Taiwan will likely return to China, once China becomes more democratic. :D

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Their constitution says a lot of stuff that's really stupid. Like i think the constitution doesn't even say that they own the island of Taiwan, because at the time it was written it was still controlled by the Japanese. Either way, they can't really change anything, because they have this big deal where they have to keep the status quo no matter what. To redraw their boundaries would be a step towards declaring Taiwan an independent state... and they don't want to **** China off, so they just kinda have to live with it.

As far as becoming part of China again, there are obviously a lot of people who are for reunification, but i think most of them are, like you said, against the PRC itself. There's a movement for reuniting with the rest of China, they just don't think it necessarily has to be under Communist leadership.

That's what i know from my very limited knowledge of Taiwan, anyway. :shrug:

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If you ask Taiwan, PRC is a part of ROC, Mongolia and Diaoyu Islands are also considered to be part of ROC.

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I know many Taiwanese people, most of them are still patriotic towards China. They just don't like the Chinese Communist government

Uhhhh, thats bs. A few of your friends doesn't speak for everyone in Taiwan.

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Its current constitution still thinks so.

From Article 26

I know many Taiwanese people, most of them are still patriotic towards China. They just don't like the Chinese Communist government, even though they had an authoritarian government up until the 90s. Some of them might not identify politically with PRC they are still ethinically and culturally Chinese. So I believe Taiwan will likely return to China, once China becomes more democratic. :D

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Nobody in Taiwan wants reunification.

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Um. I'll admit to not being a huge expert on Taiwan, but i'm pretty sure you're wrong. As the original people who still hung onto the whole ROC-is-the-real-China idea started to die off, people became less and less for reunification under the ROC, but there are still people who are for it. There are also people who have sorta teamed up with the PRC a little bit over the last decade or two, probably because they realise that the ROC taking over the mainland again is more than a little unlikely, and also because their political enemies favour independence.

I think that independence vs reunification in Taiwan is basically the same sort of thing as liberal vs conservative in America, actually. All the parties who are associated with one side of the spectrum are for independence, and all the parties on the other side are for reunification (one way or the other).

Somebody can correct me if i'm totally talking about of my ass though, i dunno.

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Um. I'll admit to not being a huge expert on Taiwan, but i'm pretty sure you're wrong. As the original people who still hung onto the whole ROC-is-the-real-China idea started to die off, people became less and less for reunification under the ROC, but there are still people who are for it. There are also people who have sorta teamed up with the PRC a little bit over the last decade or two, probably because they realise that the ROC taking over the mainland again is more than a little unlikely, and also because their political enemies favour independence.

I think that independence vs reunification in Taiwan is basically the same sort of thing as liberal vs conservative in America, actually. All the parties who are associated with one side of the spectrum are for independence, and all the parties on the other side are for reunification (one way or the other).

Somebody can correct me if i'm totally talking about of my ass though, i dunno.

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A majorities of Taiwnese people don't want reunification. Most of them don't want independence either, probably because of the missiles pointed at them.

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Um. I'll admit to not being a huge expert on Taiwan, but i'm pretty sure you're wrong. As the original people who still hung onto the whole ROC-is-the-real-China idea started to die off, people became less and less for reunification under the ROC, but there are still people who are for it. There are also people who have sorta teamed up with the PRC a little bit over the last decade or two, probably because they realise that the ROC taking over the mainland again is more than a little unlikely, and also because their political enemies favour independence.

I think that independence vs reunification in Taiwan is basically the same sort of thing as liberal vs conservative in America, actually. All the parties who are associated with one side of the spectrum are for independence, and all the parties on the other side are for reunification (one way or the other).

Somebody can correct me if i'm totally talking about of my ass though, i dunno.

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Green is for independence. Unfortunately for the blues and native Chinese, they get discriminated against very heavily by the native Taiwanese. They get shafted, and although some may still cling to the ROC is China, most of them recognize that it is impossible to retake the mainland and would rather live in their own seperate country. Reunification with a China like this is pretty much absurd to everyone there. The only reason why I know this is because one side of my parents is an immigrant from Taiwan, and they had siblings who live there to this day. I've met them as they now own houses both in the U.S. and Taiwan. It's not like liberal vs. conservative in America at all.

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Uhhhh, thats bs. A few of your friends doesn't speak for everyone in Taiwan.

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They just don't like the Chinese government because they got their ass kicked. If Taiwanese want independence they can go to other places, because China is taking Taiwan back, don't like it? Don't live there.

From Wikipedia

At the same time, polls indicate that most Taiwanese do not think that Taiwanese culture is or should be separate from Chinese culture, and efforts to remove the symbols of "China" can provoke very strong reaction from some sectors of society. Some elements of the Taiwanese society would even consider Taiwan to be the "true heir" to Chinese culture considering the degradation and rejection conducted during the Cultural Revolution, and the adoption of Simplified Chinese on the mainland. In addition, many sectors of society, especially the business community, are wary of the efforts to reduce trade with mainland China.

Don't forget that Taiwan had an authoritarian government up until the 90s, and governing a country of 1.3 billion is not an easy job, China is becoming more democratic as we are speaking..

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They just don't like the Chinese government because they got their ass kicked. If Taiwanese want independence they can go to other places, because China is taking Taiwan back, don't like it? Don't live there.

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Thats the dumbest thing I've read for a long time. Taiwanese should leave their own country because they don't hold the same ideology as the Chinese. Turning out to be an exemplary communist member aren't you ?

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Taiwan doesn't belong to them. And no, I'm not Communist. If they don't like China, they shouldn't stay in Chinese land, they are not the owner of Taiwan, Taiwan belongs to Chinese people.

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Taiwan doesn't belong to them. And no, I'm not Communist. If they don't like China, they shouldn't stay in Chinese land, they are not the owner of Taiwan, Taiwan belongs to Chinese people.

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I think i've heard this Ignorant and baseless propaganda somewhere before.

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I think i've heard this Ignorant and baseless propaganda somewhere before.

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Well, I guess this is of much debate and noone will ever know what is correct but as a Chinese person, I'll give my opinion: Taiwan belongs to mainland China. Whether or not they are going to reunite willingly or forcibly or not I don't know, but my gut feeling believes that there should be a reunification sooner or later....

If China decides to take the military route, hmm....then we may find that ourselves at a loss of computer parts made in Taiwan. :p

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As a person of Chinese and Taiwanese decent, I'll give my opinion. Taiwan does not belong to China and China should lay off. The KMT and CCP were at war before, and by now they've lost their chance to sieze it. Taiwan has an entirely seperate government, military, economy, etc. It is in no respects part of China. China can sieze it by force and make it part of China, but that would be instigating a war and should be dealt with accordingly. What kind of reunification is it when one side wants to reunify by any means necessary, and the other doesn't want to at all? If China decides to take the military route, hmm....then we may find ourselves at a loss of all things made in China. At least I'd hope our government had the guts to levy trade embargoes and stop the crazed CCP.

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As a person of Chinese and Taiwanese decent, I'll give my opinion.  Taiwan does not belong to China and China should lay off.  The KMT and CCP were at war before, and by now they've lost their chance to sieze it.  Taiwan has an entirely seperate government, military, economy, etc.  It is in no respects part of China.  China can sieze it by force and make it part of China, but that would be instigating a war and should be dealt with accordingly.  What kind of reunification is it when one side wants to reunify by any means necessary, and the other doesn't want to at all?  If China decides to take the military route, hmm....then we may find ourselves at a loss of all things made in China.  At least I'd hope our government had the guts to levy trade embargoes and stop the crazed CCP.

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The KMT CCP civil war was never over, they're technically still at war.

Read this.

www.ncmonline.com/media/pdf/polls/taiwan_summary.pdf

32% of Taiwanese Americans believe Taiwan belongs to China, 44% don't, 27% had no answer.

23% of Taiwanese Americans believe that China has the right to intervene militarily if Taiwan declares independence, 64% said no, and 14% didn't have an answer.

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this terminology irritates me. china owns taiwan. taiwan belongs to china. it reduces taiwan to a mere object.

as far as i'm concerned, with an independent government, economy, ideology, etc. they already have de facto independence.

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The KMT CCP civil war was never over, they're technically still at war.

Read this.

www.ncmonline.com/media/pdf/polls/taiwan_summary.pdf

32% of Taiwanese Americans believe Taiwan belongs to China, 44% don't, 27% had no answer.

23% of Taiwanese Americans believe that China has the right to intervene militarily if Taiwan declares independence, 64% said no, and 14% didn't have an answer.

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and the point of those numbers ?

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