Thoth Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Iraq is now a terrorist training ground, CIA saysWed Jun 22, 2:10 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The CIA believes the Iraq insurgency poses an international threat and may produce better-trained Islamic terrorists than the 1980s Afghanistan war that gave rise to Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, a U.S. counterterrorism official said on Wednesday. A classified report from the U.S. spy agency says Iraqi and foreign fighters are developing a broad range of deadly skills, from car bombings and assassinations to tightly coordinated conventional attacks on police and military targets, the official said. Once the insurgency ends, Islamic militants are likely to disperse as highly organized battle-hardened combatants capable of operating throughout the Arab-speaking world and in other regions including Europe. Fighters leaving Iraq would primarily pose a challenge for their countries of origin including Saudi Arabia and Jordan. But the May report, which has been widely circulated in the intelligence community, also cites a potential threat to the United States. "You have people coming to the action with anti-U.S. sentiment ... And since they're Iraqi or foreign Arabs or to some degree Kurds, they have more communities they can blend into outside Iraq," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the report's classified status. Iraq has become a magnet for Islamic militants similar to Soviet-occupied Afghanistan two decades ago and Bosnia in the 1990s, U.S. officials say. Bin Laden won prominence as a U.S. ally in the war against Soviet troops in Afghanistan. He later used Afghanistan as the training center for his al Qaeda network, which is blamed for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on Washington and New York. President Bush justified the invasion of Iraq in part by charging that Saddam Hussein was supporting al Qaeda. A top U.S. inquiry later found no collaboration between prewar Iraq and the bin Laden network. But since the invasion, Jordanian-born militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has emerged as a key insurgent figure and pledged his allegiance to bin Laden. While the Afghan war against the Soviets was largely fought on a rural battlefield, the CIA report said Iraq is providing extremists with more comprehensive skills including training in operations devised for populated urban areas. "You have everything from bombings and assassinations to more or less conventional attacks," the counterterrorism official said. "The urban warfare experience, for people facing fairly tight police and military activity at close quarters, should enable them to operate in a wider range of settings." CIA Director Porter Goss first described the insurgency in Iraq as an emerging international threat in February during testimony before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Vice President Dick Cheney has recently argued that the insurgency is in its last throes, despite reports that the guerrillas have grown more sophisticated and more deadly. Goss said in an interview with Time magazine that the insurgency was not quite in its last throes, "but I think they are very close to it. And I think that every day that goes by in Iraq where they have their own government and it's moving forward reinforces just how radical (the insurgents) are and how unwanted they are." Thanks for making a new training ground, President Bush. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevcart3 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 (edited) Times like these I wish I wasn't in the U.S. Just remember, all of the Americans aren't like this. And they ALL didn't vote for Bush. And I don't support what's going on, I believe this mess could have easily been avoided. Edited June 23, 2005 by kevcart3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoth Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 Times like these I wish I wasn't in the U.S. Just remember, all of the Americans aren't like this. And they ALL didn't vote for Bush. And I don't support what's going on, I believe this mess could have easily been avoided. 586105154[/snapback] I completely agree. I'm an American too. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Times like these I wish I wasn't in the U.S. Just remember, all of the Americans aren't like this. And they ALL didn't vote for Bush. And I don't support what's going on, I believe this mess could have easily been avoided. 586105154[/snapback] Do you honestly think that Islamic militants care that you are American. You are NON-ISLAMIC, which makes you an enemy. The people that died during Sept. 11th were innocent many of various ethnic backgrounds, even women and children. Europe has had its small share of terrorist attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGeorge Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Mr. Bush Thankyou for sending someone's son or daughter to iraq so they can die for your personal agenda. You sir aren't qualified to run a concession stand at a high school football game, let alone the highest office in the land. Honestly, how can you sleep at night knowing the destruction and bloodshed you've caused? The end of your term in office could not come soon enough. I regret ever voting for you. I just want to say that I have the utmost respect for our soldiers and it saddens me to see what you guys have to endure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kestrel Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Do you honestly think that Islamic militants care that you are American. You are NON-ISLAMIC, which makes you an enemy. The people that died during Sept. 11th were innocent many of various ethnic backgrounds, even women and children. Europe has had its small share of terrorist attacks. 586105231[/snapback] That's a narrow-minded and completely incorrect view of Islam and the Iraqi people are among the friendliest people you'll ever meet. The US has created a situation 10x more volatile than it ever was before because their attack against Iraq was without any foundation in fact. Iraq was never a threat to the US and had no intentions of becoming one. Not one of the hijackers was from Iraq, and what America has done by attacking Iraq is harden the resolve of people who see it as a strike against them based on their religious beliefs... and are they really wrong? When pointing a bloody finger at religion, look to Christianity... a religion that has far more blood on its hands than any other religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoth Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 That's a narrow-minded and completely incorrect view of Islam and the Iraqi people are among the friendliest people you'll ever meet.The US has created a situation 10x more volatile than it ever was before because their attack against Iraq was without any foundation in fact. Iraq was never a threat to the US and had no intentions of becoming one. Not one of the hijackers was from Iraq, and what America has done by attacking Iraq is harden the resolve of people who see it as a strike against them based on their religious beliefs... and are they really wrong? When pointing a bloody finger at religion, look to Christianity... a religion that has far more blood on its hands than any other religion. 586105270[/snapback] Can we not mess up my thread with religion? I dont even want to talk about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoth Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 Do you honestly think that Islamic militants care that you are American. You are NON-ISLAMIC, which makes you an enemy. The people that died during Sept. 11th were innocent many of various ethnic backgrounds, even women and children. Europe has had its small share of terrorist attacks. 586105231[/snapback] Sorry but if an American, an Italian, and a Japanese person were kidnapped as a group, the American would be the most likely one not to be released or even killed. Next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenMaster Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 @ thenay > Celebrate the departure of Bush if you want. I think the issue is much more serious than that and doesn't deserve cheers. People are dying at the expense of HIS foreign policy. I'm not amused. He was funny at first, making spelling mistakes in front of grade school kids. Making up words. Fumbling with his arguments. The stakes are much higher now. And they wanted to impeach Clinton for the Lewinsky affair? WTF!!!??? This doesn't make any sense. Doesn't this contradict the whole purpose of the entire war in Iraq. I was all for sending troops in Iraq if: 1) Saddam had WMDs (where are they); 2) Al-Quaeda had terrorists training with government funding. Because some Al-Queda members (and others) live in the Middle-East, I would not have been surprised if they had found some living and training in Iraq (w/ or w/o Saddam's knowledge). The training here was key. In short addresses, where no proof has to be given, Bush always maintained that Iraq had WMDs (particularly the Nuclear kind) which still can't be found. When that didn't work, he said they were training Al-Queada. If they were specifically after Al-Queada, then did they need the carrier groups, tanks, etc.? I think not. The intention has always been to establish a new regime in Iraq. It goes well with a long standing US foreing policy of forming new govt's. Now that they can't establish the Al-Queda training camp links, they say that Al-Queda are now "training" in Iraq. Really? What reason would they have? Wouldn't be to fight off the American forces in the Middle East would they. Regardless of Canadian and American differences, I just hate to see so many other people of my age, going over, getting shot at, when the politicians sending them over can't even explain to every single one of them why they're over there. Some might support it because the president does. But, I'm sure there are many others, wether they've disclosed it or not that still wonder what they're fighting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNay Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Sorry to see your country is ruled by a moron :hug_guy: Just a bit more than 3 yrs and he's gone :fun: Edit\\ Woo hoo! 2500 pointless posts made! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathray Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Sorry but if an American, an Italian, and a Japanese person were kidnapped as a group, the American would be the most likely one not to be released or even killed. Next. 586105307[/snapback] Perhaps because it is America that has the most troops in Iraq... so that's their priority with hostages... Next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNay Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 (edited) Doesn't this contradict the whole purpose of the entire war in Iraq. I was all for sending troops in Iraq if: 1) Saddam had WMDs (where are they); 2) Al-Quaeda had terrorists training with government funding. Because some Al-Queda members (and others) live in the Middle-East, I would not have been surprised if they had found some living and training in Iraq (w/ or w/o Saddam's knowledge). The training here was key. In short addresses, where no proof has to be given, Bush always maintained that Iraq had WMDs (particularly the Nuclear kind) which still can't be found. When that didn't work, he said they were training Al-Queada. If they were specifically after Al-Queada, then did they need the carrier groups, tanks, etc.? I think not. The intention has always been to establish a new regime in Iraq. It goes well with a long standing US foreing policy of forming new govt's. Now that they can't establish the Al-Queda training camp links, they say that Al-Queda are now "training" in Iraq. Really? What reason would they have? Wouldn't be to fight off the American forces in the Middle East would they. Regardless of Canadian and American differences, I just hate to see so many other people of my age, going over, getting shot at, when the politicians sending them over can't even explain to every single one of them why they're over there. Some might support it because the president does. But, I'm sure there are many others, wether they've disclosed it or not that still wonder what they're fighting for. 586105322[/snapback] Well said and so true. But he's a moron for starting the war, not just for the spelling mistakes.. lol ;) Edited June 23, 2005 by thenay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-hurley18 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Mr. BushThankyou for sending someone's son or daughter to iraq so they can die for your personal agenda. You sir aren't qualified to run a concession stand at a high school football game, let alone the highest office in the land. Honestly, how can you sleep at night knowing the destruction and bloodshed you've caused? The end of your term in office could not come soon enough. I regret ever voting for you. I just want to say that I have the utmost respect for our soldiers and it saddens me to see what you guys have to endure. 586105259[/snapback] nice, does someone got the bush adress or the white house adress so i can send this letter to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGeorge Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 @ thenay > Celebrate the departure of Bush if you want. I think the issue is much more serious than that and doesn't deserve cheers. People are dying at the expense of HIS foreign policy. I'm not amused. He was funny at first, making spelling mistakes in front of grade school kids. Making up words. Fumbling with his arguments. The stakes are much higher now. And they wanted to impeach Clinton for the Lewinsky affair? WTF!!!??? This doesn't make any sense. Doesn't this contradict the whole purpose of the entire war in Iraq. I was all for sending troops in Iraq if: 1) Saddam had WMDs (where are they); 2) Al-Quaeda had terrorists training with government funding. Because some Al-Queda members (and others) live in the Middle-East, I would not have been surprised if they had found some living and training in Iraq (w/ or w/o Saddam's knowledge). The training here was key. In short addresses, where no proof has to be given, Bush always maintained that Iraq had WMDs (particularly the Nuclear kind) which still can't be found. When that didn't work, he said they were training Al-Queada. If they were specifically after Al-Queada, then did they need the carrier groups, tanks, etc.? I think not. The intention has always been to establish a new regime in Iraq. It goes well with a long standing US foreing policy of forming new govt's. Now that they can't establish the Al-Queda training camp links, they say that Al-Queda are now "training" in Iraq. Really? What reason would they have? Wouldn't be to fight off the American forces in the Middle East would they. Regardless of Canadian and American differences, I just hate to see so many other people of my age, going over, getting shot at, when the politicians sending them over can't even explain to every single one of them why they're over there. Some might support it because the president does. But, I'm sure there are many others, wether they've disclosed it or not that still wonder what they're fighting for. 586105322[/snapback] I think I finally figured Bush out! He wasn't lying when he made those claims about iraq, he was actually telling us the future of iraq after he screwed them up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoth Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 Perhaps because it is America that has the most troops in Iraq... so that's their priority with hostages... Next? 586105330[/snapback] Thats a given. However, I never specifically said Iraq. Say the kidnapping was performed by Pakistani or Syrian nationals. Americans are seen as imperialists, and I was making the point that Islamic terrorists DO differentiate those pesky "non-Islamic" people from one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1WayJonny Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 That's a narrow-minded and completely incorrect view of Islam and the Iraqi people are among the friendliest people you'll ever meet.The US has created a situation 10x more volatile than it ever was before because their attack against Iraq was without any foundation in fact. Iraq was never a threat to the US and had no intentions of becoming one. Not one of the hijackers was from Iraq, and what America has done by attacking Iraq is harden the resolve of people who see it as a strike against them based on their religious beliefs... and are they really wrong? When pointing a bloody finger at religion, look to Christianity... a religion that has far more blood on its hands than any other religion. 586105270[/snapback] and this is why i dont believe in religion! think quick almost every war has been based on religion.... i just try to be a good person because if we do get judged whats the difference of religion if you were a good person.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 That's a narrow-minded and completely incorrect view of Islam and the Iraqi people are among the friendliest people you'll ever meet.The US has created a situation 10x more volatile than it ever was before because their attack against Iraq was without any foundation in fact. Iraq was never a threat to the US and had no intentions of becoming one. Not one of the hijackers was from Iraq, and what America has done by attacking Iraq is harden the resolve of people who see it as a strike against them based on their religious beliefs... and are they really wrong? When pointing a bloody finger at religion, look to Christianity... a religion that has far more blood on its hands than any other religion. 586105270[/snapback] Narrow minded I hate to inform you that I knew an Iraqi man that lives here in the US and this is what he told me, because this is what the KORAN says. He also told me many of his relatives are insurgents. So thanks for calling him narrow minded and not me. I think its time for you to wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kupo-Cheer Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 With about 3.5 years left in office, Bush has way too much time to drag America and the rest of the world down more. Maybe he really does truely believe hes helping to make a better world, but the results speak louder than the "plan" ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoth Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 nice, does someone got the bush adress or the white house adress so i can send this letter to him? 586105348[/snapback] Oh boy...I dont know what to say to this post... and this is why i dont believe in religion!think quick almost every war has been based on religion.... i just try to be a good person because if we do get judged whats the difference of religion if you were a good person.... 586105358[/snapback] Again, can we PLEASE not have a "my religion is better than yours" or "**** religion" thread? I want just the logistical aspects of this news story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoth Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 With about 3.5 years left in office, Bush has way too much time to drag America and the rest of the world down more. Maybe he really does truely believe hes helping to make a better world, but the results speak louder than the "plan" ever will. 586105363[/snapback] I have absolutely no doubt that he does believe he is saving the world. The problem with that is...1) he's completely inept. 2) his backers use him as a figurehead to promote their greedy fiscal motives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+StevoFC MVC Posted June 23, 2005 MVC Share Posted June 23, 2005 bush is the most worthless ****** of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 Thread moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 bush is the most worthless ****** of all time. 586105384[/snapback] after hitler that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dud Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 It's sad that some people take any opportunity they can to kill others. Why can't we just all get along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lav-chan Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 nice, does someone got the bush adress or the white house adress so i can send this letter to him?586105348[/snapback] Yeah, that was totally insightful. I'm sure it'll bring a tear to his eye, especially since he's probably never ever heard it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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