Cynicist Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Ah well we all know the story...there was an apple...or maybe some exotic fruit...a serperent...with legs :s (I never really got that part) and you know...the guy and the girl... Anyway apparently they were curious or something and decided to eat the sacred fruit...Ok...couple of questions at this point...firstly why was the tree so sacred...If God was so merciful and kind why wouldn't he put the tree on any of the other 700000000 billion hectares :wacko: ...thats my first problem.... Secondly isn't God meant to be forgiving? I mean an eternity with death for something we didn't even do...seems rather harsh doesn't it...:woot: But maybe...and this is my favourite theory...maybe...just maybe....adam and eve ate the fruit....and this is a new revolutionary concept...because they were hungry....Wouldn't be the first time God's forgotten to feed people...Ethiopia...Madagascar...Zimbabwe...:huh: So basically...I think that maybe...just maybe...Adam and Eve ate the fruit because they were hungry...so stop eating world...god doesn't want you too...so go do the whole immortality thing...live for ever and everything...but do God a favour...and do it without food...(Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdb815 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Thread closage in 3, 2, 1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynicist Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 ahh no...go back to wanna-be-mod land where your lack of intelligence isnt so blatantly obvious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmah Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 Lets just say you chose the right username. And why should this thread be closed? It's a decent thread questioning the beliefs of millions (billions?) of people - good healthy discussion! Personally it's a load of old socks imo, but then thats just me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin-uk Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 Maybe it was a test? and they failed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph3412t3h13 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 i guess it was a test but remember when that happened god said to adam something like: the land u walk on is dead or something, if orget and to eve he said something like: u will have to endure the pain of childhood SO THEY GO THEIR CAMMUPINS!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagerd0g Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 temptation. urgh, too many ... this and .... that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchetsteadman Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Ah well we all know the story...there was an apple...or maybe some exotic fruit...a serperent...with legs :s (I never really got that part) and you know...the guy and the girl...Anyway apparently they were curious or something and decided to eat the sacred fruit...Ok...couple of questions at this point...firstly why was the tree so sacred...If God was so merciful and kind why wouldn't he put the tree on any of the other 700000000 billion hectares :wacko: ...thats my first problem.... Secondly isn't God meant to be forgiving? I mean an eternity with death for something we didn't even do...seems rather harsh doesn't it...:woot: But maybe...and this is my favourite theory...maybe...just maybe....adam and eve ate the fruit....and this is a new revolutionary concept...because they were hungry....Wouldn't be the first time God's forgotten to feed people...Ethiopia...Madagascar...Zimbabwe...:huh: So basically...I think that maybe...just maybe...Adam and Eve ate the fruit because they were hungry...so stop eating world...god doesn't want you too...so go do the whole immortality thing...live for ever and everything...but do God a favour...and do it without food...(Y) 586106256[/snapback] The serpent with legs wasn't a serpent at all. It's a "metaphor", it was the devil or satan, whichever you choose. There are alot of questions to be answered. I am not really a "Christian" I am more of a spiritual person (yes there is a difference). All i know is that when I ask "God" for something, I usually get it. Except for the time I asked to win the powerball... :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septimius Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 You said they chose to eat it "Because they were hungry". So out of curiosity I looked up the Old Testament reference, and found this: Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground?trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.i> -Genesis 1:2 Now, if you're going to believe the rest of the story, why not believe there were other things to eat;);) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cq_ Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 exactly there were many things to eat, but eve chose the "forbidden" fruit... perhaps she was hungry, so? why did she eat the "forbidden" fruit ? its all about temptation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.nudd Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Perhaps next time you post something of this nature, you should understand the material. Another one disparaging Christianity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMaster Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Please when making a post at least attempt to sound serious by using actuall grammar instead of "..." to break up the fragments of your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdorani Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 even tho i dont belive this crap, but god also said dont sin, isnt eating the apple in the garden also a sin? to god sin is sin not matter how bad it is (i think) anyway thats besides the point, so if god forgives sinners after they pray, confess and other fancy stuff, couldnt he simply forgive adam and eve for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.nudd Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 If he did, then we woudln't have to do anything to get into heaven. We'd be perfect, flawless, and have no faults of any kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanManIt Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 I don't think the story is real. It is just a proverb used to show a moral, which is obey God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElite Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Ah well we all know the story...there was an apple...or maybe some exotic fruit...a serperent...with legs :s (I never really got that part) and you know...the guy and the girl...Anyway apparently they were curious or something and decided to eat the sacred fruit...Ok...couple of questions at this point...firstly why was the tree so sacred...If God was so merciful and kind why wouldn't he put the tree on any of the other 700000000 billion hectares :wacko: ...thats my first problem.... Secondly isn't God meant to be forgiving? I mean an eternity with death for something we didn't even do...seems rather harsh doesn't it...:woot: But maybe...and this is my favourite theory...maybe...just maybe....adam and eve ate the fruit....and this is a new revolutionary concept...because they were hungry....Wouldn't be the first time God's forgotten to feed people...Ethiopia...Madagascar...Zimbabwe...:huh: So basically...I think that maybe...just maybe...Adam and Eve ate the fruit because they were hungry...so stop eating world...god doesn't want you too...so go do the whole immortality thing...live for ever and everything...but do God a favour...and do it without food...(Y) 586106256[/snapback] When Adam and Eve were in Eden, the devil tempted them to eat from the tree of knowledge. Eating a fruit from this tree would give them more knowledge than they could handle. With temptation, the devil persuaded them to eat it. Adam and Eve were then thrown out of Eden. They had to repent a lot for their sins, and eventually God forgave them. God is more forgiving than you can ever imagine, but, then also he will punish you more tan you'll ever imagine if you disobey him. And about the poor countries, people in these countries who die of hunger and are real civilised people, they have got a MUCH higher chance of going to heaven than an ordinary person. Why not sacrifice here, to gain eternal happiness. You understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheirser Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Cynisist I believe you are the only person in this thread with a brain having read a few replies. There aint nothing wrong with being cynical... suspicion is my best trait and I think the world would be a better place if we stopped trusting everyone elses opions and used our own brains. I dunno, maybe faith is laziness of the nurons? I can't believe people think women came from ribs, I mean that's just the craziest idea. BTW, if any GCC's (Gramma Correct Christians) are reading this, and I have a typo, I don't care, find some other flaw which is plausible. Cheers to cynisism - there isn't enough of it to have an intelligent world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElite Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 CynisistI believe you are the only person in this thread with a brain having read a few replies. There aint nothing wrong with being cynical... suspicion is my best trait and I think the world would be a better place if we stopped trusting everyone elses opions and used our own brains. I dunno, maybe faith is laziness of the nurons? I can't believe people think women came from ribs, I mean that's just the craziest idea. BTW, if any GCC's (Gramma Correct Christians) are reading this, and I have a typo, I don't care, find some other flaw which is plausible. Cheers to cynisism - there isn't enough of it to have an intelligent world. 586136725[/snapback] there is a difference between valid suspicion and outright narrow-mindedness. you matey, are verging on the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheirser Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 there is a difference between valid suspicion and outright narrow-mindedness.you matey, are verging on the latter. 586136749[/snapback] That's fine with me. I think you're stupid to be honest if you believe your prior post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beh Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I have another question. So does god know what is gonna happen before it does? IF so, doesn't that mean he knew the forbidden fruit was going to be eaten? They say god gave us free will, but is it really free if he knows whats gonna happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droodles Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Hmm, this is the way I percieve it. Humans were made in God's image. As such, we have both the capacity to be good and be evil. But more of that later. Keep in mind when the bible was writen. Particulary Genesis, it was passed for thousands of years by oral tradition. As such, it is safe to assume that while the essence of the story is there, the details (ie trees, fruit, serpant) could of been improvised. Now, back to the capacity thing. To be good, you must be able to evil. Otherwise you couldn't be good or evil, you would just essentially be an insentiant being, as morals exist in the choice. Consider the garden of Eden a metaphor, that man gave into sin, and, as such, was cast out of the Garden. Our punishment for man's original sin was that women would have pain in child birth, and that man would have difficulty growing crops. We were never actually 'kicked out' of the garden. Besides, don't think of the garden as so much a place, but more of a state of being, in that in the beginning, man was more open to talk to God and to hear His replies. God is no more or less real now then He was then. It's just that we as a people have become more interested in fighting different people for worshipping different Gods in different ways then we are in following His message, that is, loving one another. One could argue that this is a byfactor of the original sin, and that we are, in essence, eating the fruit right now. It is only through peace and acceptance of each other that we can make amends for this sin. Furthermore, while I am an evolutionist, it is not your place, nor is it anyone elses, to discount anyone's beliefs. While I state mine here, I am open to debate. I believe that, while your questioning is a good trait, you really need to take stock. You seemed to make this thread with the intention of offending people, rather then having a conversation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheirser Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Hmm, this is the way I percieve it.Humans were made in God's image. As such, we have both the capacity to be good and be evil. But more of that later. Keep in mind when the bible was writen. Particulary Genesis, it was passed for thousands of years by oral tradition. As such, it is safe to assume that while the essence of the story is there, the details (ie trees, fruit, serpant) could of been improvised. Now, back to the capacity thing. To be good, you must be able to evil. Otherwise you couldn't be good or evil, you would just essentially be an insentiant being, as morals exist in the choice. Consider the garden of Eden a metaphor, that man gave into sin, and, as such, was cast out of the Garden. Our punishment for man's original sin was that women would have pain in child birth, and that man would have difficulty growing crops. We were never actually 'kicked out' of the garden. Besides, don't think of the garden as so much a place, but more of a state of being, in that in the beginning, man was more open to talk to God and to hear His replies. God is no more or less real now then He was then. It's just that we as a people have become more interested in fighting different people for worshipping different Gods in different ways then we are in following His message, that is, loving one another. One could argue that this is a byfactor of the original sin, and that we are, in essence, eating the fruit right now. It is only through peace and acceptance of each other that we can make amends for this sin. Furthermore, while I am an evolutionist, it is not your place, nor is it anyone elses, to discount anyone's beliefs. While I state mine here, I am open to debate. I believe that, while your questioning is a good trait, you really need to take stock. You seemed to make this thread with the intention of offending people, rather then having a conversation 586136878[/snapback] This sort of pandering annoys me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.nudd Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Your lack of faith annoys me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheirser Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Your lack of faith annoys me. 586137019[/snapback] why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyB Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I don't think the story is real. It is just a proverb used to show a moral, which is obey God. 586113916[/snapback] I don't think the God story is real. It is just a scare tactic, boogeyman story, told by religious clerics, to control the ignorant masses and to preserve their authority. If a god created the heavens and earth and is still working on the universe, he has surely forgotten about these few, insignificant creatures inhabiting this small planet. Foolish creatures. TING :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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