megamanXplosion Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 prolly notand on my side and I'm not alone, Firefox well tweaked is very faster than opera I'd jump in the opera boat if their cookies were handled well. Right now, this is a pain, a real pain. They should keep exemple from ie and firefox on this to manage cookies 586109031[/snapback] All of the tweaks that I've seen for Firefox are available to Opera users as well. HTTP Pipelining configuration, initial paint delay, etc. are all available. Unless you know of some secret option in Firefox that nobody has reported on yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 prolly notand on my side and I'm not alone, Firefox well tweaked is very faster than opera I'd jump in the opera boat if their cookies were handled well. Right now, this is a pain, a real pain. They should keep exemple from ie and firefox on this to manage cookies 586109031[/snapback] Ehhh... Firetune does speed up the speed at which pages load (by a bit), but there's the God awful lag I get while scrolling webpages (with smooth scrolling enabled) :x Using Firefox gives me the same gut wrenching feeling I get from using HTML-based applications in Windows (for instance: System Restore wizard, Add/Remove Programs, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 NetCaptor was the first tabbed browser. Of course, Opera does it MUCH better. :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyphen Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Opera > Firefox. But I'm a cheap ****** so I'll stick with the free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 NetCaptor was the first tabbed browser. Of course, Opera does it MUCH better. :yes: 586109068[/snapback] Not quite true. The first tabbed browser was InternetWorks way back in 1993 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blik Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Err, lets not complain about "tabs" or whether they are MDI whatever. To me they sure as hell look like tabs, behave like tabs, and i can arrange these objects that look like tabs the way I like. It does what its supposed to, and 99% (yes MYgeneralisation) of the opera users will say they are using tabs. If firefox can do what opera does "out of the box" I'll switch. For now, I dont care for getting endless plugins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Carlton Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 opera has ads...not a software philosophy I'll ever abide to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 opera has ads...not a software philosophy I'll ever abide to. 586109140[/snapback] Prepare to quit posting in this thread. Take a look at what's at the very top of this page. Now look at the Opera ad bar. Any differences? :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blik Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 opera has ads...not a software philosophy I'll ever abide to. 586109140[/snapback] Guess what? You have adverts on your TV, and you PAY to watch tv, you must be well ****ed off about that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insurektion Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 The article doesn't say anything about extensions being complicated.I do wish people would try reading, and comprehending, the articles they comment on... 586108925[/snapback] By Andrew Orlowski in San FranciscoPublished Thursday 23rd June 2005 08:25 GMT ...a rival appears that steals your ideas and yet only manages to produce a slower, clunkier and feature limited version of your browser - and the press reacts as if it's just discovered the internet for the first time. What do you do?.... ...Opera's insane focus on usability and performance certainly comes from knowing that a paying user base pays its rent. Stop satisfying the users, and Opera is no more. And side by side comparisons of Opera and FireFox invariably show the former standing proud: its blazing rendering speed and caching leave FireFox standing. FireFox's greatest strength is its extensibly, but that's also it greatest weakness: if you need to add anything more than the most rudimentary functionality to the browser it soon turns into a Heath Robinson hairball of conflicting add-ins. (And after all that, you still can't move the tabs around...) Source 586108000[/snapback] Please read the article before telling me to read the article.... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 Guess what? You have adverts on your TV, and you PAY to watch tv, you must be well ****ed off about that... 586109148[/snapback] That its hardly a valid analogy :no: We are talking an obtrusive GUI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 obtrusive?What do you think of neowin then? 586109168[/snapback] Scroll down some pixels or use Firefox function to block images outside the site. Done! In opera you have no choice. The add its always there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blik Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 obtrusive? What do you think of neowin then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiveMasterT Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I didn't read it either way that you read it, it didn't even come close to saying what you're claiming. Are you sure you actually read the article? :rolleyes: 586108901[/snapback] yeah, I read the article, and I was pretty disgusted with it. It seems that this is another instance of Opera trying to use advertising to get itself ahead instead of actually doing something that makes people want to use it. C'mon, seriously. First they falsely claim to be best browser of the year for 2005 and then they start with this stuff. Please. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insurektion Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 what exactly are you trying to prove megamanXplosion? Opera is easily matched by firefox which costs nothing. This article is simply poor journalism if you can call it that. Please quit being demeaning, or at least make sure I (or anyone else) is in the wrong before you so amibitiously attempt to correct others. EDIT: I wonder if the writer even bothered trying FF before adhering his lips to Opera's ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 So you want something thats completely free, to have no way of generating revenue for the creator. That ideology is almost incomprehencible. Unless of course you have a "sugar daddy" pumping money your way... 586109210[/snapback] I think they are better ways to promote a product, period. And my dad its death, thanks for your assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blik Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 So you want something thats completely free, to have no way of generating revenue for the creator. That ideology is almost incomprehencible. Unless of course you have a "sugar daddy" pumping money your way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blik Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 And my dad its death, thanks for your assumption. 586109219[/snapback] Simply wow :blink: Thanks for the assumption, i wasn't talking about you :rolleyes: I meant that as a business Ideology, as in if you're a business having money pumped your way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 Simply wow :blink:Thanks for the assumption, i wasn't talking about you :rolleyes: I meant that as a business Ideology, as in if you're a business having money pumped your way. 586109234[/snapback] Look at products made by Adobe, Macromedia, etc. That its good marketing in my opinion. In a market full of free alternative options that equal your product I dont know how someone dares to try to pump up a paid software, even less a padi software that has a gigantic add incursted in its GUI. Now that its an incomprehensible analogy. The day that Opera can make a product that its unquestionably better than anything in the market that will be the day Im going to pay for their browser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 Scroll down some pixels or use Firefox function to block images outside the site. Done!In opera you have no choice. The add its always there. 586109176[/snapback] This can fix that. At least you benefit off this. For SpreadFirefox... never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 This can fix that. At least you benefit off this. For SpreadFirefox... never mind. 586109242[/snapback] Yeah, because the Mozilla foundation put a gun on its users heads! So basically you need to help them to promote their product so you can have a proper GUI. What a beneffit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blik Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 So, if Opera offered you a trial of the browser, with no adds, that lasted 30 days. You would feel thats a better option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 ,Jun 23 2005, 14:17]Yeah, because the Mozilla foundation put a gun on its users heads!So basically you need to help them to promote their product so you can have a proper GUI. What a beneffit! 586109266[/snapback] OK, since you hate the ads, I assume you'd rather see a 30 day limitation on the 'free' version. Correct? Remember, these two promotion campaigns are voluntary. Who mentioned aiming guns at heads? :blink: edit: Bilksem said it. I'm a little too slow on posts :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticktron Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 (edited) ...the fact remains that Microsoft's dominance is not due to nefarious channel tactics, which it had been obliged to give up when the Antitrust trial started, but to Mozilla's failure to give the public a halfway decent browser for several years. Mozilla had it, but threw it away.Source 586108000[/snapback] AMEN. They blew it by leaving Netscape hanging, when they seemingly shifted focus to sue-ing projects only. In the meantime, Microsoft slipped in integrated web-browsing into Windows, and improved it several times until it was satisfactorily complete (at IE5/6). Only now is the public starting to catch on to the idea of a "Browser" in the new sense: an improvement on the default system (MSIE). Like tabbed browsing, themes, adblocking, and weather while you're browsing? Then you'll appreciate a more customized web browsing application. Try a new Web Browser from Mozilla (Firefox) or Opera or whatever. Edited June 23, 2005 by Sticktron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted June 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 23, 2005 So, if Opera offered you a trial of the browser, with no adds, that lasted 30 days. You would feel thats a better option? 586109271[/snapback] How about a crippled version? Something that give the consumer a taste of some Opera options but reserve others for the full version? Like I said, you know what you are getting into if you try to sell a product in a market full of free alternatives that are as equal as good of not better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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