Opera boss swings at FireFox's Sugar Daddies


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Personally I think, putting up with some adverts while you fully test drive the software indefinitely is better. You can get a fuller experience.

To each their own I suppose, and regarding alternatives being "as good as if not better", when they achieve that staement out of the box, I'll hapilly switch.

I'd applaud Adobe and Macromedia if they had adds in their software and allowed me to use its full functionality for free, and indefinitely.

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To each their own I suppose, and regarding alternatives being "as good as if not better", when they achieve that staement out of the box, I'll hapilly switch.

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They have. but you are in denial. ;)

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,Jun 23 2005, 18:26]They have. but you are in denial. ;)

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Download Firefox. Place a link on your desktop. Double click it... Double click it again.

Now Download Opera and do the same.

End. ;)

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Download Firefox. change the option to use just one window just like Opera ask you in the beggining.

End. ;)

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First of all, it's quite clear the author of this article is biased against Firefox and biased towards Opera. I'm biased towards Firefox, but I'll tell you that upfront.

As far as Jon von Tetzchner goes, he's just mad because somebody, who I think was from the Mozilla Foundation, debunked Opera's claim that PC mag named it the best browser. I guess it ****ed him off that they had to change their claim and edit the Opera site of this claim. So now I guess he's just venting his frustration. I also don't think the Mozilla Foundation is claiming to have invented all of the features of Firefox, but they definitely didn't steal all of the features from Opera. It's not like Opera invented all of its browser's features either. I don't think anybody from the Firefox "camp" should feel embarrassed that the Mozilla foundation is running off of "donated" money. This benefits the public. We can get a quality browser without paying for it. Plus, with all of the copies of Opera that have been sold at such an outrageous price (the price has recently been lowered to a more reasonable number), it's not like Opera should be a poor company. I'm pretty sure that Opera has to be jealous of Firefox's huge and fast success. If not for Firefox, Opera would be the only strong force facing IE. Firefox came onto the scene and quickly stole the spotlight and a large share of the "market". Let's face it, Opera will never be the most used browser as long as it is adware and/or payware. And I hope nobody is dumb enough to tell me that Opera is not adware. Firefox's biggest flaw is its speed. Not the browsing speed, but more of how its hunger for resources slows that application down overall. Firefox does not feel "light" like IE and even Opera. With this fix, Firefox will be better browser. Sadly, it seems that this isn't a priority among the Firefox coders.

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Ah..Indeed Opera's ad's are very obtrusive.They are in fact "mammoths" which block the entire screen.

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Now both seem to provide same screen space.Anyway vertical scrolling isn't very concerning(as long as you mouse is equipped with a mouse wheel).However what is irritating is Horizontal scrolling,and that is where Opera does excellently.Opera can realign and resize the page to remove horizontal scrolling.

Now,it is firefox who generally indulge in cheap campaigning strategies.Asa has a go at other browsers at random.Did you see their promotion for Minimo?If you haven't see http://stuff.techwhack.com/archives/2004/1...mozilla-minimo/

They also had put up a fake Firebird comparison with other browses a few years back.And all this is from a non-commercial organisation.

Have you ever seen any Opera staff degrade to that level?Unlike Asa Havard asks people to respect others choices and not to troll.

I am a dial-up user so i can easily recognise what is faster.Actually Firefox simply fails to open pages several times.Try to open a page and what you get is a stupid connection timed out error several times before it opens.

The reviewer didn't say that extensions were complex.What he said was that they often cause conflicts leading to various issues.

The author has very rightly pointed out that Opera is a commercial browser because it doesn't have any other choice.

Neither do i see any facts that the author has got wrong.

Opera was and is a beter product that Firefox.If you dont feel like that,it's fine.It is your choice.

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Why can't everyone just agree to disagree on any of these topics.

Firefox is a great program, but KILLS resources after a certain amount of time online. I have used it since it was Phoenix, and eventually switched to Opera, after

several updates, firefox plug-ins weren't working, add-ons weren't working, basically everything i did to make it a better browser for me stopped working.

Before you firefox people say that there is a way to make them work, I know I did get them to work, but i don't think i should have to go in and adjust files manually, but that's open source.

I switched to opera because it does what i want it to do, and better than firefox did

in my experience.

Opera is easier, and faster by itself, haven't tried tweaking it yet ( didn't need to )

Firefox is a tweakers browser, good browser, with huge possibilities.

just my 2 cents.

just let it die eg.

xbox360 vs. ps3

windows vs. apple vs. linux

coke vs. pepsi

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Download Firefox. change the option to use just one window just like Opera ask you in the beggining.

End. ;)

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Umm... that requires an extension. :no:

I'll have to say that in terms of good quality software, Opera is better than Firefox. It's got all the features you could ever want in a browser in one small little package.

The fact that Firefox claims to be a fully-tabbed browser is crap. By default, a link set to target=new will create a new window, not a tab. It takes an extension or two to get a fully tabbed browser out of Firefox. And then another extension to get mouse gestures, and then another to get a more user friendly download system... etc etc etc. Need I go on?

It also takes a lot of tweaking to get FireFox as fast as Opera. For the common user (who doesn't understand how about:config works), this is very complicated. The settings in Opera are straightforward and easy to find.

There's a lot of hype surrounding Firefox. A lot of people who I know have switched to FF have complained that it's slower than IE out of the box. It takes ages to load on computers that aren't brand new - even my workstation (dual 2.4GHz Xeons - 512MB RAM) takes about 5-6 seconds to load Firefox. Opera and IE are near instant. I just downloaded and tried K-Meleon and yes, it is faster than Opera at rendering pages, but it's nowhere near as refined as Opera - or Firefox for that matter. Settings are a pain in the rear to configure, and all the niceties that you find in FF or Opera simply aren't there (i.e. middle click = load in background).

If you really care about the software that you use, give a little to the people who made it! You've paid for pretty much everything else that you use (at least non-software)...

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Well, I think this is not a good move from Opera. I mean, if he is claiming that firefox devs have stolen opera's features, then Opera must think why firefox succeeded and opera "didn't". Then, they have to stop understimating their own browser. Opera is so powerful and is a good browser indeed.

Go Opera! Go Firefox!!

:D

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Booya! my heart bleeds for him really it does :sleep: I use firefox but just because I like it better you cant please everyone and he needs to realise that I guess. There is a market for every product no mater how small, big, expensive or cheap the product.

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Please read the article before telling me to read the article....

:rolleyes:

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It says that there can be conflicts. It says absolutely nothing about them being complicated or difficult to use. Please read the article again, especially the part that you bolded.

what exactly are you trying to prove megamanXplosion? Opera is easily matched by firefox which costs nothing. This article is simply poor journalism if you can call it that.

Opera's not easily matched by Firefox. Mozilla, the internet suite, was close to matching Opera feature-wise but the workflow and performance of Mozilla were absolutely horrible. Firefox doesn't even come close to matching Opera for my needs (and I need an internet suite.)

I'm not trying to prove that Opera is better than Firefox, if that is what you're trying to claim. Read my comments again, you'll notice that I never questioned the quality of the Firefox browser. I questioned the quality of the people standing behind the browser (their marketing campaigns that are full of lies about "breaking ground" and "innovating features", their comparison pages that were full of lies like Opera didn't support find-as-you-type, and their product manager is a dolt.) And, when forced into a corner about the speed issue, I said that Opera was the fastest browser but that does not mean Opera is better than Firefox.

The only thing that I've tried to prove in this thread, without being forced into a corner, is that Firefox is always trying to claim they're "breaking ground" or delivering "innovative" features when they happily copied them from their competitors. I don't have a problem with software developers copying eachother because it can lead to great things (afterall, none of us would be here if Apple and Microsoft didn't copy Xerox's idea of a graphical user interface.) What I'm trying to prove is that Firefox shouldn't try to claim they bring innovation with features that they didn't innovate themselves.

Now, I must ask, what are you trying to prove?

Like I said, you know what you are getting into if you try to sell a product in a market full of free alternatives that are as equal as good of not better.

When Opera got into the game there was practically nothing but paid browsers (they were there during the Mosaic vs Netscape war.) The free alternatives movement is a recent one [that is very annoying for people who don't mind paying for quality software.]

Shouldn't this guy be swimming to the USA right now? WTF happened to that?

The guy did begin swimming but didn't make it too far. The guy that was accompanying him on an inflatable raft (with food and stuff like that) had a puncture and they had to turn back. It was all just a joke on Jon (he said something outrageous to his co-workers because of his enthusiasm and then they got him in their gun sight), it was surprising that he even followed through with the idea at all.

As far as Jon von Tetzchner goes, he's just mad because somebody, who I think was from the Mozilla Foundation, debunked Opera's claim that PC mag named it the best browser. I guess it ****ed him off that they had to change their claim and edit the Opera site of this claim. So now I guess he's just venting his frustration.

They corrected the mistake and the person that pointed the fingers at them calling them liars made himself look like an idiot. They know that, I know that, anyone who followed the story will know that. There was no reason for retaliation, and there never was a retaliation.

Read this article and then read the article from ZDNet about the same issue. It is obvious that the interviewer coerced Jon, Opera's CEO, to talk for a long time and then split the article up to make Opera look bad. It's undeniable, the article was clearly cut up with intentions to hurt Opera Software.

I don't think anybody from the Firefox "camp" should feel embarrassed that the Mozilla foundation is running off of "donated" money.

They shouldn't. If you read the article then you'll see that Opera implied that they would like to have their own sugar daddy so they could offer their product for free. They were simply describing why they can't provide it for free.

Let's face it, Opera will never be the most used browser as long as it is adware and/or payware.

So? They have millions of happy, registered, users - that's all that matters :)

Now,it is firefox who generally indulge in cheap campaigning strategies.Asa has a go at other browsers at random.Did you see their promotion for Minimo?If you haven't see http://stuff.techwhack.com/archives/2004/1...mozilla-minimo/

They also had put up a fake Firebird comparison with other browses a few years back.And all this is from a non-commercial organisation.

Yeah, that Minimo stunt got under my skin. How can they possibly say that Opera is less portable? He doesn't have access to Opera's source code and they both use the same development language, so how could he possibly make such a claim? He can't.

The comparison against Firebird was also irritating. Half of the features Firebird had Opera supposedly didn't, right. A few days later they received an email from Opera Software that the comparison was full of errors and it even told them the errors they had made. Yet, somehow, they put a "corrected" page up with only half of the errors fixed (they had a list of them ALL, so why did they only correct half?) Again, Opera Software sent them an email asking them to correct ALL of the mistakes or remove the page.... where did the page go? lol.

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Yeah, because the Mozilla foundation put a gun on its users heads!

So basically you need to help them to promote their product so you can have a proper GUI. What a beneffit!

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Firefox users don't seem to have a problem with putting those dumbass GetFirefox images all over their sigs, for free. And now when an Opera user does it, they get the browser free of charge. I don't see anything wrong with that. :rolleyes:

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Where did you find Opera saying that Firefox has stolen it's features?No one from Opera said that.It is the author of the article who made that comment.And that comment is true.I wont say FF has stolen Opera's features.But they have certainly copied them.

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Firefox users don't seem to have a problem with putting those dumbass GetFirefox images all over their sigs, for free. And now when an Opera user does it, they get the browser free of charge. I don't see anything wrong with that. :rolleyes:

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Me neither. But I wasnt the one comparing both companies efforts in that aspect.

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Honestly to everyone arguing over Firefox vs. Opera, seriously get whatever browser you like and shut the hell up. Actually it is quite a benefit to put an Opera image in your sig for a free browser. What exactly is wrong with that? Like some people previously stated in this thread, I would MUCH rather use a browser as long as I like for an (about) 60px. high advertisement bar, that honestly isn't obtrusive AT ALL.

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No he isn't, I just tried it to make sure.

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So did I... I disabled all my extensions and restarted Firefox. Then I double clicked the desktop shortcut again. Please note, I haven't tweaked this copy of Firefox whatsoever (in about:config)... just a couple of extensions to get proper tabbed browsing.

Firefox users don't seem to have a problem with putting those dumbass GetFirefox images all over their sigs, for free. And now when an Opera user does it, they get the browser free of charge. I don't see anything wrong with that. :rolleyes:

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Amen... I'd like to have a free Opera licence, but according to NeoWin rules, it's not allowed... :(

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So did I... I disabled all my extensions and restarted Firefox. Then I double clicked the desktop shortcut again. Please note, I haven't tweaked this copy of Firefox whatsoever (in about:config)... just a couple of extensions to get proper tabbed browsing.

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I've changed the setting [sanctified] showed in his screenshot, nothing else, and it works as it should in my Firefox (Opens in new tab)

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Most people I know only need an internet browser, not an internet suite.

Opera is an internet suite.

Firefox is an internet browser.

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