Opera boss swings at FireFox's Sugar Daddies


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Most people I know only need an internet browser, not an internet suite.

Opera is an internet suite.

Firefox is an internet browser.

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However, maybe it's just me, it's used as a web browser. I would hardly call it a suite..

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It's an Internet suite if you want it to be. By default, Opera is just a normal browser; however, creating a mail account, clicking on an RSS button, etc. will unlock its full potential. If you don't need an Internet suite then Opera will behave like a standalone browser :)

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opera has ads...not a software philosophy I'll ever abide to.

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so you don't like neowin's philosophy either?

i guess you would prefer it if opera, instead of being independent, was in the pockets of big business like mozilla is. that's right, mozilla is pwned by corporations. opera is the only independent browser.

yeah, I read the article, and I was pretty disgusted with it.  It seems that this is another instance of Opera trying to use advertising to get itself ahead instead of actually doing something that makes people want to use it.  C'mon, seriously.  First they falsely claim to be best browser of the year for 2005 and then they start with this stuff.  Please. :rolleyes:

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opera doesn't use false advertising, unlike mozilla (check out the lies about speed and security on the official firefox page). opera pulled the pc world mistake so it doesn't count.

opera is a product people want to use: faster, smaller, more functional than firefox. simply better.

gigantic add incursted in its GUI.

how about you get your facts straight? what 'gigantic add' (sic)?

The day that Opera can make a product that its unquestionably better than anything in the market that will be the day Im going to pay for their browser.

opera is unquestionably better: smaller, faster, more functionality, better experience.

As far as Jon von Tetzchner goes, he's just mad because somebody, who I think was from the Mozilla Foundation, debunked Opera's claim that PC mag named it the best browser.  I guess it ****ed him off that they had to change their claim and edit the Opera site of this claim.  So now I guess he's just venting his frustration.

you are mistaking jon for asa. jon is a calm guy. read any interview with the guy. asa on the other hand is a vindictive little prick. asa keeps attacking opera, but opera usually ignores him.

Plus, with all of the copies of Opera that have been sold at such an outrageous price (the price has recently been lowered to a more reasonable number), it's not like Opera should be a poor company.

if you had a clue, you would have known that opera uses lots of money for research, and they even pay people who work for w3c. THAT is why a company which makes its own money is a good thing.

oh, and prices have been lowered to what? you are making up things.

I'm pretty sure that Opera has to be jealous of Firefox's huge and fast success.  If not for Firefox, Opera would be the only strong force facing IE.

actually, opera has more users than ever. but it's always been a small company which focuses on product quality rather than marketing. mozilla focuses on marketing to spread the word about their mediocre product.

Well, I think this is not a good move from Opera. I mean, if he is claiming that firefox devs have stolen opera's features, then Opera must think why firefox succeeded and opera "didn't". Then, they have to stop understimating their own browser. Opera is so powerful and is a good browser indeed.

uh, the article in the register was written by a journalist who made those claims. wake up!

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You realise that Opera's speed is attributed to it's browser engine. Which is the worst one I have yet come accross. I would prefer to code for IE than for Opera.

If you choose to use Opera you are trashing the web and throwing standards out of the door.

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You realise that Opera's speed is attributed to it's browser engine. Which is the worst one I have yet come accross. I would prefer to code for IE than for Opera.

If you choose to use Opera you are trashing the web and throwing standards out of the door.

That's a lie. Opera is only a few problems away from passing the Acid2 test. It's more standards-compliant than Firefox and Internet Explorer. Please quit spreading FUD.

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It's more standards-compliant than Firefox and Internet Explorer. Please quit spreading FUD.

Hahaha. Have you seriously ever tried designing for Opera while gettings the pages to work in IE and Firefox?

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Excuse me sir.Opera is the most standard complaint browser,and Ie is the one which breaks the standards the most.

Again,please get your facts correct.

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It's more standards-compliant than Firefox and Internet Explorer. Please quit spreading FUD.

Hahaha. Have you seriously ever tried designing for Opera while gettings the pages to work in IE and Firefox?

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Yes, and if you know how to actually code correctly, it will work fine. :whistle:

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Well, actually my CSS code is 100% correct. However, as soon as I published my blog i got an email from an Opera user complaining that it didn't work properly.

Also, for another project, I had a great design, and it worked perfectly in Firefox and IE. Open it up in Opera, oh dear. I spent hours trying to fix that.

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Well, actually my CSS code is 100% correct. However, as soon as I published my blog i got an email from an Opera user complaining that it didn't work properly.

Also, for another project, I had a great design, and it worked perfectly in Firefox and IE. Open it up in Opera, oh dear. I spent hours trying to fix that.

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I'm not going to be a blatant Opera fanboy here - I actually agree with you. I've had some problems too with coding and getting everything working in IE Firefox and Opera..had some problems with Firefox's z-indexing sometimes though. If only all browsers could stick to one thing, eh?

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It's more standards-compliant than Firefox and Internet Explorer. Please quit spreading FUD.

Hahaha. Have you seriously ever tried designing for Opera while gettings the pages to work in IE and Firefox?

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Yes, unless they do not support what I'm trying to achieve.

For example, Internet Explorer has a broken box model which can be a real pain to work with, it doesn't support generated content, it's position:fixed support is broken, it obviously cannot position generated content, it does not allow psuedo-selectors for anything but anchors, etc. [edit: I forgot to mention that writing valid XHTML is *impossible* on Internet Explorer 6 because it will attempt downloading the page instead of rendering it.]

Firefox doesn't support the ability to position or float generated content, doesn't support list-counters, and so-on.

Opera is more standards-compliant than Firefox or Internet Explorer. Any professional web designer, who actually reads the specifications, can verify my claims.

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1) That's "subjective."

2) PCWorld is known to be bias. Pick up any PCWorld article about Firefox and I gaurantee you'll find plenty of errors that make Firefox look better than what it really is. The last time I read a Firefox article in a PCWorld magazine I found over 10 errors in it (that, somehow, always made Firefox look good.)

Most of the "innovative" features that Firefox promotes were in Opera before the Mozilla Foundation even existed. Firefox is always "breaking new ground" and publishing articles like "Is Opera turning into Firefox" which are all bogus claims. Firefox is a good browser, but I really dislike the marketing-sludge and mud-slinging.

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Firefox is based on Netscape. Netscape was the first browser. I guess that means that all the others are trying to be like Firefox. So yes, Opera IS trying to be like Firefox.

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Netscape wasn't the first browser.

Mosaic was the first image-capable browser If I Remember Correctly (it was defo. first @ something like that), but was by no means the first ever browser.

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My bad, the first modern browser. Geez, you people are picky. :p Anyway, you get the point.

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Netscape wasn't the first browser.

Mosaic was the first image-capable browser, If I Remember Correctly, (it was defo. first @ something like that), so you might be thinking of that - but netscape was by no means the first ever browser.

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Firefox is based on Netscape.  Netscape was the first browser.  I guess that means that all the others are trying to be like Firefox.  So yes, Opera IS trying to be like Firefox.

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What specific features are you referring to? Also, can you cite specific examples of where Opera claimed to have innovated those features?

The problem I have is not with companies copying eachothers' products, but claiming that they innovated them.

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I've changed the setting [sanctified] showed in his screenshot, nothing else, and it works as it should in my Firefox (Opens in new tab)

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Do you have any extensions installed? Try it with a completely clean install of FF.

I'll send you $0.01 if it doesn't work. :p

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Do you have any extensions installed? Try it with a completely clean install of FF.

I'll send you $0.01 if it doesn't work. :p

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My only extension is the gmail notifier, but just to be completely sure I tried with a clean install. Still works as supposed to :)

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You realise that Opera's speed is attributed to it's browser engine. Which is the worst one I have yet come accross. I would prefer to code for IE than for Opera.

If you choose to use Opera you are trashing the web and throwing standards out of the door.

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If you seriously think that IE handles standards well, it is about time you read this preferably with both IE and Opera so that you can see the differences in how they handle the STANDARD code.

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This topic gets my care face: -----------> :no:

What is the point in starting a browser war. Why can't ppl just agree that each browser has its strong points and its weak points too.

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And after all that, you still can't move the tabs around...

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He sure knows what he's talking about. :rolleyes:

I'm starting to think that the Opera fanboys are worse than the firefox ones now.

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opera get a gmail plugin that works like firefoxes and i'll change.

admittedly i'm only with firefox because of the plugins from the community and until opera get something like that going i won't be changing.

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