Opera boss swings at FireFox's Sugar Daddies


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My only extension is the gmail notifier, but just to be completely sure I tried with a clean install. Still works as supposed to  :)

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Strange... it's really bizarre that it's different on our computers... :huh:

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FireFox's greatest strength is its extensibly, but that's also it greatest weakness: if you need to add anything more than the most rudimentary functionality to the browser it soon turns into a Heath Robinson hairball of conflicting add-ins. (And after all that, you still can't move the tabs around...)

Ahem.

Opera is very fast. It's faster than Firefox, and it's more responsive. But it has quite a few oddities. For example, there doesn't seem to be a separator available for toolbars. I searched for a separator item all over Opera for about half an hour. Found nothing. Am I missing something or is a 8.0 program missing a separator item for the toolbars?

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http://nontroppo.org/wiki/CustomButtons#various

Near that section of the page, you will find "A vertical bar separator button." Just click on that button and you'll now have a little separator you can place around your interface. Note, however, that it behaves like a button and not like a separator you see in most applications. It's still useful for breaking up the interface in a more coherent manner though :)

http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?...light=separator

Reply to that forum post to add your support for adding a real separator :yes:

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Thanks, megamanXplosion, for that link to the Opera Browser Wiki !!

It's amazing how you can use something for years without even being dimly aware of its possibilities.

I was awestruck by the customization options available.

I think I'll have a play around with some of this hidden power!

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Glad you found it helpful, have fun! :)

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Look at products made by Adobe, Macromedia, etc. That its good marketing in my opinion.

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Looak at what! so macromedia gets to close to adobe's market! what do they do, they buy the competion :blink: . Where's the analogy with opera!

They do a very good product, still has a number of functions firefox doen't have! Whatt's the big rave about everything! The man spoke his mind, put your-self in his shoes, U don't have to keep praising your opponents, most people here were much less discrete here about giving their opinion than operas ceo!

Just use them, instead of commenting bad things about them. As for myself i use and like both, cause each one has something the other lacks. Opera without tweaking is the fastest, and the cache is great, Firefox is very good albeit not so fast, & the mooding of the browser very cool!

STOP SPREADING FUDD & GO DO CREATIVE THINGS!!! ;)

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if you need to add anything more than the most rudimentary functionality to the browser it soon turns into a Heath Robinson hairball of conflicting add-ins. (And after all that, you still can't move the tabs around...)

If he tried to look a little harder, he would have found the extension "miniT" which allows you to move the tabs around. This article is definitely bias.

opera doesn't use false advertising, unlike mozilla (check out the lies about speed and security on the official firefox page). opera pulled the pc world mistake so it doesn't count.

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No false advertising?

Don't even get me started on that... I was among hundreds of hopefuls wanting Jon to swim, and fell into his trap by downloading Opera 8 3 times.

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Don't even get me started on that... I was among hundreds of hopefuls wanting Jon to swim, and fell into his trap by downloading Opera 8 3 times.

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False advertising? WTF?

Anyone who took that seriously has issues. It was a joke, all in good fun. No one was harmed by it nor any ill feelings towards anyone.

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If he tried to look a little harder, he would have found the extension "miniT" which allows you to move the tabs around. This article is definitely bias.

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And if he just had done some research he would have known that's a new feature in the upcoming 1.1 (it's available in the nightlies)

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False advertising?  WTF?

Anyone who took that seriously has issues.  It was a joke, all in good fun.  No one was harmed by it nor any ill feelings towards anyone.

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He was using lies to create hype about Opera... wasn't he?

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He was using lies to create hype about Opera... wasn't he?

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Oh for crying out loud. If he said he'll get the Opera logo tattooed over his entire body if Opera matches Firefox's downloads, you'd BELIEVE that? :devil:

Many people say stuff like that when they get excited. You have some issues of your own if you believe each one of them.

If he was lying (which I doubt), I can't see the same happening for Firefox. Where do think all this Firefox hype came from?

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If he was lying (which I doubt), I can't see the same happening for Firefox. Where do think all this Firefox hype came from?

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It came from the advertising campaign about rasing money for a full-page ad in the NY Times. I don't see anything wrong with that. But creating hype/headlines by making lies (excused as being too "excited") is not okay.

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Uh.. what did he lie about? He said he would try to swim to America, and he did. It was a joke he said in a meeting, and some PR people played it out as a joke. Since he's a nice guy, he went along with it for fun. Laugh, it's a joke.

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It came from the advertising campaign about rasing money for a full-page ad in the NY Times. I don't see anything wrong with that. But creating hype/headlines by making lies (excused as being too "excited") is not okay.

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I don't see how an ad displayed in a paper for one day would generate this hype.

Mention this joke as a lie and I'll have to do some research on what lies were spread by the mofo. (yeah I meant mutha-)

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  • 2 weeks later...
what new and innovative features?

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I would also like to hear the answer to that question. I have the Firefox 1.1 Deer Park Alpha on my machine and I haven't seen a single "innovative feature" that Opera doesn't already have.

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1) That's "subjective."

2) PCWorld is known to be bias. Pick up any PCWorld article about Firefox and I gaurantee you'll find plenty of errors that make Firefox look better than what it really is. The last time I read a Firefox article in a PCWorld magazine I found over 10 errors in it (that, somehow, always made Firefox look good.)

Most of the "innovative" features that Firefox promotes were in Opera before the Mozilla Foundation even existed. Firefox is always "breaking new ground" and publishing articles like "Is Opera turning into Firefox" which are all bogus claims. Firefox is a good browser, but I really dislike the marketing-sludge and mud-slinging.

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Actually, it's "objective," a.k.a: to be free of bias

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Actually, it's "objective," a.k.a: to be free of bias

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The statement that was made ("You make the world's best browser") was NOT objective (free of bias.) What was said is subjective (influenced by personal opinion.)

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