[bear] Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I smell something... Consider the source of this "news" story. 586200643[/snapback] this is a very reliable source.. if you don't have anything to contribute to the topic you can leave :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bear] Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Just imagine the security and reliability issues with this. What if a malicious piece of software entered "game mode" shut down everything it could, disabled other hardware (think keyboard and mouse), and locked the terminal. Just as a side note, I don't believe anything I read on THG. Oh and Pwn3r, your link is broken. 586200756[/snapback] what is stopping malicious viruses and scripts from doing that now without WinStat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raskren Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 this is a very reliable source.. if you don't have anything to contribute to the topic you can leave :yes: 586200959[/snapback] Tom's Hardware Guide is NOT a reliable source. Pretty much common knowledge. They've become the laughing stock of the hardware review community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolslacker Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Now I want to get Longhorn right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClintEastman Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Anyone know the command line switches for winsat.exe ? Found "mem" and "disk" so far and not alot going on.... :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiDEBURNS Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 What Microsoft are trying to do with Winstat is instead of having the sys req on a game featuring CPU, MEM, GFX, etc etc. They will have a recommend score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankyone Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 What Microsoft are trying to do with Winstat is instead of having the sys req on a game featuring CPU, MEM, GFX, etc etc. They will have a recommend score. 586202449[/snapback] but the thing is you can have the latest A64x2 but running a pci video card and get the same score as someone running a 3000+ with a 6800gt i wonder how this will turn out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+virtorio MVC Posted July 13, 2005 MVC Share Posted July 13, 2005 but the thing is you can have the latest A64x2 but running a pci video card and get the same score as someone running a 3000+ with a 6800gti wonder how this will turn out 586204650[/snapback] Well if you're using an out-of-date (garbage) video card it doesn't matter how many processors you're running, it's still going to run the latest games poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Cl Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 " Just imagine the security and reliability issues with this. What if a malicious piece of software entered "game mode" shut down everything it could, disabled other hardware (think keyboard and mouse), and locked the terminal. " I'm pretty sure MSFT engineers know better than that... Besides, your points are useless... disable a keyboard or a mouse in game mode ? what for? performance issues ? lolol I'm also pretty sure that locking down a terminal isn't a feature... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphillips59 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Anyone know the command line switches for winsat.exe ?Found "mem" and "disk" so far and not alot going on....?:(( 586202284[/snapback] Working on it....it is a doc on the WinHec DVD I just have to find it, when i do I will post it on my blog..(and here) -josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTerminator Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 but the thing is you can have the latest A64x2 but running a pci video card and get the same score as someone running a 3000+ with a 6800gti wonder how this will turn out 586204650[/snapback] Im pretty sure it measure everything individually and gives you an overall score as well as a per-piece-of-hardware score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argote Posted July 13, 2005 Author Share Posted July 13, 2005 the good thing about that score is that it can be on every PC so people know the computer with Intel graphics they're about to buy isn't "extreme" in any way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrisCr0ss Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 fluff, is all I say, to the "games mode". Since when were games generic things? Different game engines require performance in different parts of your PC; some are very CPU intensive, some needs lots of memory, others just need lots of graphics memory, etc etc. There is no one set of optimisation for all games. And, in reply to one members post, it would be a nightmare for Microsoft to turn of things IT deems unnessisary for gaming, how is it to know that some service won't cause something else to break if it is turned off? Mmm, that would be interesting during gameplay I'm sure. 586200655[/snapback] I believ u misread something within the article for it says if developers develop the games properly Longhorn will be able to suit the games needs its not going to use the same profile for everygame unless i missed something then forgive me otherwise i think im on the right track ;) btw this looks really cool, hopefully it wont be over priced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted July 13, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 13, 2005 This is another good reason why I will get Longhorn ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJediMedia Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 It sounds as though Longhorn will have some nice new features, but how will these effect performance. If it to bloated you'll need a top of the line PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCobra Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 "Just imagine the security and reliability issues with this. What if a malicious piece of software entered "game mode" shut down everything it could, disabled other hardware (think keyboard and mouse), and locked the terminal. " I'm pretty sure MSFT engineers know better than that... Besides, your points are useless... disable a keyboard or a mouse in game mode ? what for? performance issues ? lolol I'm also pretty sure that locking down a terminal isn't a feature... 586204723[/snapback] Microsoft should know better about a lot of things but sh!t happens. Look at ActiveX, IE, OE, the holes that are discovered daily in SP2 and only patched once a month and that's if they feel it's worth patching. If the article is true and someone here thought about a virus doing things like that you'd better bet that someone who actually writes them will eventually try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClintEastman Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Working on it....it is a doc on the WinHec DVD I just have to find it, when i do I will post it on my blog..(and here)-josh 586204739[/snapback] Good good Josh!! (all the addressing for the doc refers to the internal MS network). Had a look at winsat.exe in a hex editor but found nowt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphillips59 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Good good Josh!! (all the addressing for the doc refers to the internal MS network).Had a look at winsat.exe in a hex editor but found nowt. 586205780[/snapback] From the WinHec doc Running WinSAT is very simple ? it is a basic command line tool. The general format of the command line is: > winsat <assessment name> <assessment parameters> Where <assessment name> is one of: dwm d3d mem disk cpu Other assessments will be supported in the near future. The D3D assessment is targeted at assessing a systems ability to run games. The MEM assessment is a system memory bandwidth tests. This is intended to be reflective of large memory to memory buffer copies as are used in multi-media processing (video, graphics, imaging, etc). The DISK assessment measures the performance of disk drives. I will post the rest on my blog later today..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raskren Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 jphillips, thank you for posting this. Unfortunately, I can only get "winsat mem" to generate any sort of score. "Winsat disk" asks for a disk number and I can't figure out how to craft the complete command. None of the other assessment names seem to work. P.S. what is this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClintEastman Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 From the WinHec docRunning WinSAT is very simple ? it is a basic command line tool. The general format of the command line is: > winsat <assessment name> <assessment parameters> Where <assessment name> is one of: dwm d3d mem disk cpu Other assessments will be supported in the near future. The D3D assessment is targeted at assessing a systems ability to run games. The MEM assessment is a system memory bandwidth tests. This is intended to be reflective of large memory to memory buffer copies as are used in multi-media processing (video, graphics, imaging, etc). The DISK assessment measures the performance of disk drives. I will post the rest on my blog later today..... 586212523[/snapback] Ahhh Josh.... Good good!! Thanks:p:p jphillips, thank you for posting this. Unfortunately, I can only get "winsat mem" to generate any sort of score. "Winsat disk" asks for a disk number and I can't figure out how to craft the complete command. None of the other assessment names seem to work.P.S. what is this ? 586212591[/snapback] Does the mem test give you your memory bandwidth? And yes, im having the same problem formating a disk test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raskren Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Yes, the memory test gives me "System memory bandwidth" in bytes per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neostyle Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Now I want to get Longhorn right now 586201661[/snapback] aahhh , i am so tired of all this lh blablabla .... :blink: hey big fat one , get up and deliver ..... :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphillips59 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Ahhh Josh.... Good good!! Thanks :p Does the mem test give you your memory bandwidth? And yes, im having the same problem formating a disk test. 586212749[/snapback] Check out my blog...I have updated it with more info on MEM and DISK. D3D will only work on certain cards... and the other aren't yet available.. -josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raskren Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 (edited) aahhh , i am so tired of all this lh blablabla .... :blink: hey big fat one , get up and deliver ..... :ninja: 586212782[/snapback] How about you quit reading and posting then. Kthx. Josh, once again, thank you for the info. Link to blog: http://yourtechconnect.blogspot.com/ Edited July 14, 2005 by raskren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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