Opera feature poll 7/16/05


Vote to which you'd like implimented the most  

78 members have voted

  1. 1. Vote to which you'd like implimented the most

    • Tab improvement
      29
    • FTP improvement
      29
    • Double launch
      4
    • Keyword search enhancement
      16


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All Opera needs is a solid FTP client and it's perfect.

Why do you want Opera to be able to upload to FTP sites? Use a FTP client for that, Opera isn't an FTP client, it's a web browser.

Actually, it's an Internet Suite (browser, mail, chat, among other things) so why shouldn't it have an FTP client?

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no that doesn't work, i've tried.

yeah, sure... your Opera is magical and it can't be customized.

but then i realised your IQ is so low that it come to me you actually didn't understand what i done in my last post

gafy.

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yeah, sure... your Opera is magical and it can't be customized.

gafy.

look, if you want to make people laugh with your words go into the "jokes and funny stuff" section, perhaps they will teach you how to be funny!

And to your reply,

yeah, sure... your Opera is magical and it can't be customized.

The tab issue is still behaving akwadly, it jumps back to the far left and you cannot use the middle mouse button on it, instead you have to find the X which isn’t on the tabs. So it’s very fiddley.

gafy.

What are you trying to imply here?

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All Opera needs is a solid FTP client and it's perfect.

Actually, it's an Internet Suite (browser, mail, chat, among other things) so why shouldn't it have an FTP client?

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Agreed. This is the only thing I find that could be better with Opera. Everything else works just perfectly IMO.

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As for the FTP.. well get some client like Filezilla if you need to upload and download. Both Firefox's and Opera's built in FTP clients work almost the same way. IE has a Explorer like interface, and IIRC it can upload files.

Tabs... Tabs work better in Opera. Try dragging a tab onto the taskbar and it breaks into a seperate independant page operating outside of the main browser's container. And you get true MDI in Opera - turn off the close buttons on tabs and you get the standard MDI interface.

Keyword search: like how others have stated already, pressing / for inline find and . for inline find for links ain't so bad. In my setup pressing CTRL+F does the same as Firefox (minus the toolbar that pops up at the bottom of the browser)

And double launch: turn off 'Open new pages in tabs.' By doing so popup windows (like the My Assistant up there ^) will no longer be opened in the container (similar to Firefox). Using the middle click to open new tabs will continue to work (again, just like Firefox).

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For features... it's not much of a feature request, it's a bug fix. Sometimes I get weird graphical glitches - for instance, sometimes people's signatures fly up 100 pixels above where they should be, or text is way out of place. All this corrects itself if I scroll back and forth.

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As for the FTP.. well get some client like Filezilla if you need to upload and download. Both Firefox's and Opera's built in FTP clients work almost the same way. IE has a Explorer like interface, and IIRC it can upload files.

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But I think this is the point that he's trying to make... Opera has just about everything else internet wise (it's even getting BitTorrent support...), so why not throw in a proper FTP client?

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But I think this is the point that he's trying to make... Opera has just about everything else internet wise (it's even getting BitTorrent support...), so why not throw in a proper FTP client?

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If enough people ask for it, sure. Not that I upload stuff to a FTP site, but it'll make Opera much more useful. :yes:

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As for the FTP.. well get some client like Filezilla if you need to upload and download. Both Firefox's and Opera's built in FTP clients work almost the same way. IE has a Explorer like interface, and IIRC it can upload files.

I dont mean to sound rude, but did you read the past pages?.... if not, i highly suggest you do - as i explain a lot deeper in what i really mean.

Tabs... Tabs work better in Opera. Try dragging a tab onto the taskbar and it breaks into a seperate independant page operating outside of the main browser's container. And you get true MDI in Opera - turn off the close buttons on tabs and you get the standard MDI interface.

Yes i understand that, but you don't seem to understand what im trying to point out.

Keyword search: like how others have stated already, pressing / for inline find and . for inline find for links ain't so bad. In my setup pressing CTRL+F does the same as Firefox (minus the toolbar that pops up at the bottom of the browser)

If everyone was like that nothing would get improved! :) - Just think about it for real, it may seem quite far off that operas developers will implement such feature, but its very possible and i personally feel you should think a little more open minded

And double launch: turn off 'Open new pages in tabs.' By doing so popup windows (like the My Assistant up there ^) will no longer be opened in the container (similar to Firefox). Using the middle click to open new tabs will continue to work (again, just like Firefox).

Again, you have misread what i was trying to point out, i understand you can do that, but it would be a workflow enhancer. I suggest you read back in the pages i explain a lot more on my points.

For features... it's not much of a feature request, it's a bug fix. Sometimes I get weird graphical glitches - for instance, sometimes people's signatures fly up 100 pixels above where they should be, or text is way out of place. All this corrects itself if I scroll back and forth.

Sorry to disagree with you but it is indeed a feature request since it works the way the developers intended it to.

If enough people ask for it, sure. Not that I upload stuff to a FTP site, but it'll make Opera much more useful.  :yes:

Let me tell, your the minority here :p heh heh, well kind of - depends on your age really. But since more and more people are using the internet as a business, more and more people are using FTP. Plus FTP is also useful for a lot other stuff too.

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Hey

UPDATE:#1

I?ve posted all these points to the feature request on opera?s official forum and i?ve received 10+ replies, I?ve also posted the number of votes from this board to help show how many people would like these points improved/added.

( so new-comers visiting this thread, please do vote -- it will make a difference! )

Cheers

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but who really likes complicated bloody annoying shortcuts like that?? No one i can tell you that for sure

There are quite a few people that like to use keyboard shortcuts as this thread illustrates quite well, and there are plenty more threadds like it.

i can't really be bothered to mess around with apple-like shortcuts like that as i've said before. It's like playing twista with your fingers.

If you think that the current setup is awkward change it.

Btw do you miss any fingers since you find it being that hard to press ctrl+alt+n ? If that is the case I am sorry for your unfortunate handicap. If not you really should re-evaluate your position.

Im speaking for the high majority of people here.

Fallacy.

As for your poll, it is pointless from a research perspective since it doesn't indicate anything about what the majority thinks since it is missing the options:

Tabs don't need any change.

Ftp don't need any change.

Double launch don't need any change.

Keyword search don't need any change.

Now to what I think about your feature improvement suggestions. The only change that I see as of being of value is improving the ftp, why you can dl but not upload is beyond my understanding.

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There are quite a few people that like to use keyboard shortcuts as this thread illustrates quite well, and there are plenty more threadds like it.

If you think that the current setup is awkward change it.

Btw do you miss any fingers since you find it being that hard to press ctrl+alt+n ? If that is the case I am sorry for your unfortunate handicap. If not you really should re-evaluate your position.

Fallacy.

As for your poll, it is pointless from a research perspective since it doesn't indicate anything about what the majority thinks since it is missing the options:

Tabs don't need any change.

Ftp don't need any change.

Double launch don't need any change.

Keyword search don't need any change.

Now to what I think about your feature improvement suggestions. The only change that I see as of being of value is improving the ftp, why you can dl but not upload is beyond my understanding.

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My poll isn't pointless, if the person(s) doesn't want these features they will not vote, simple as that. the more people who vote the more it will show the features are needed. People arn't going to vote for one if they dont want any of the features, they arn't that dumb.

Also, keyboard shortcuts -- yeah sure some people like them, but the majority of people dont, it's hassle when it can all be done through the mouse.

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My poll isn't pointless, if the person(s) doesn't want these features they will not vote, simple as that. the more people who vote the more it will show the features are needed. People arn't going to vote for one if they dont want any of the features, they arn't that dumb.

From a market research perspective it is pointless.

To change or add a feature cost money and if this change is something that only for example 2% wants they are not likely to implement it. And this is where your poll is defect. You assume that people wont vote 'No' which is wrong I have seen plenty of other polls with the option to vote No to feature X. And guess what. People do tick the no box just as others tick the yes box.

Currently there are 16 votes for FTP improvement which says absolutely nothing except that there are 16 people that want it. That is not very impressive numbers. Lets say that you eventually get 100 votes for it, that still is not very impressive. But! if you had the No option and that only got 2 votes (2%) then it becomes a indicator of what people want.

Currently your poll is only an indication of which of the 4 options that people find most important in relation to the other options. Which in itself does have some value. But it is hardly putting any pressure on Opera to implement any of the features.

if the person(s) doesn't want these features they will not vote, simple as that.

There have been some people that has taken the time to write that they don't find a feature to be of interest. How can you know that they wouldn't vote against implementing it?

Also, keyboard shortcuts -- yeah sure some people like them, but the majority of people dont, it's hassle when it can all be done through the mouse.

How do you know this, did you have a poll asking "Do you dislike keyboard shortcuts" giving only the option to vote 'Yes'? And after you had X number of votes you decided that X represents the majority. :rolleyes:

Please stop saying majority as if what you say is a fact when you have no reliable raw data to back it up. To do so is a Fallacy of Insufficient Sample.

What you say is just as incorrect as if I say "the majority like keyboard shortcuts" I can base that claim on that the majority of the people I know do so. But, there is no way for me to know if the people I know also represent the larger population. I don't think that they do, but I do believe that they represent a larger share than you seem to think.

It doesn't matter how many times I repeat "the majority like keyboard shortcuts" it will not become a fact until I have data proving my point.

As a matter of fact, since I consider your poll being defect I have not voted in it, so the result of your defective poll is that you lost one vote, possibly more.

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ThePast -

I would say your right, but the thing is is that you see it from a different point of view. This is just a simple poll saying do you want these features, if so which one. If not dont vote!

To our little keyboard/mouse debate i've created another poll to see what the majority likes to make you happy.

https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?act=Poll&t=346926&st=

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none of them

my request is simple

1. make cookie to work as ie and firefox.

2. being able to set our own fonts to view websites? I can't beleive you need to set your own stylesheet css and brake all websites to "try" to show your own fonts eh!

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1. make cookie to work as ie and firefox.
How are they different?
2. being able to set our own fonts to view websites?  I can't beleive you need to set your own stylesheet css and brake all websites to "try" to show your own fonts eh!

Why? You CAN set your own fonts in Advanced preferences, but I'm pretty sure when a site sets a specific font, it has to use it. If a site wants to use a certain font, why change it? It's not like you can't anyway. The only kind of person that would want to change fonts you can't otherwise are usually advanced users, and thus know how to/are willing to use user stylesheets.

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How are they different?

Why?  You CAN set your own fonts in Advanced preferences, but I'm pretty sure when a site sets a specific font, it has to use it.  If a site wants to use a certain font, why change it?  It's not like you can't anyway.  The only kind of person that would want to change fonts you can't otherwise are usually advanced users, and thus know how to/are willing to use user stylesheets.

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1. for some sites to work like banking account and yahoo/hotmail to only name them, you have to allow third party cookies which let also valueclick cookies and stuff like that to be set. good uh? with firefox, I never had such cookies, neither in ie

2. sorry to name firefox again, but with this browser, I can set my own font to display all characters in the choosen font. In opera, like you specified, you need some sort of css which you brake all websites. ;)

I am willing to sue anything, in condition it doesnt brake site, like neowin to only name this one

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1. for some sites to work like banking account and yahoo/hotmail to only name them, you have to allow third party cookies which let also valueclick cookies and stuff like that to be set.  good uh?  with firefox, I never had such cookies, neither in ie

2. sorry to name firefox again, but with this browser, I can set my own font to display all characters in the choosen font.  In opera, like you specified, you need some sort of css which you brake all websites. ;)

I am willing to sue anything, in condition it doesnt brake site, like neowin to only name this one

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1. Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. Opera has settings for allowing or disallowing third-party cookies.

2. I don't know what you're talking about here either. In Firefox I don't see any settings to override all fonts on any site. In fact, it seems to work the exact same as Opera.

Please be more specific and provide a guide to reproduce what you're talking about.

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Change cookie settings ctrl+f12 > Advanced > Cookies

Change fonts ctrl+f12 > Advanced > Fonts

finalcut, have you actually even used Opera? :rolleyes:

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How do you know this, did you have a poll asking "Do you dislike keyboard shortcuts" giving only the option to vote 'Yes'? And after you had X number of votes you decided that X represents the majority. rolleyes.gif

Please stop saying majority as if what you say is a fact when you have no reliable raw data to back it up. To do so is a Fallacy of Insufficient Sample.

What you say is just as incorrect as if I say "the majority like keyboard shortcuts" I can base that claim on that the majority of the people I know do so. But, there is no way for me to know if the people I know also represent the larger population. I don't think that they do, but I do believe that they represent a larger share than you seem to think.

It doesn't matter how many times I repeat "the majority like keyboard shortcuts" it will not become a fact until I have data proving my point.

https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=346926

"I like to use both, but majority of mouse" winning by 7 votes so far with "I like to use the mouse only" in second place.

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Make your suggestions to Opera Software as an individual, the opinions of Neowin members matters not to the users and developers of Opera.

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"I like to use both, but majority of mouse" winning by 7 votes so far with "I like to use the mouse only" in second place.

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Congratulations to your impressive victory in the competition that never existed. :whistle:

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ok to answer these 2 guys

1. the thirst cookies setting in opera isnt the real 3rd party one.. as discussed MANY times in opera forum. do a search on how opera cookirs work and you will know. just have a look at your cookies in cookies manager in opera and you might find many "smap" cookies... I have neved had one in firefox nor ie because of the way cookies are set... the real way they should be set

2. in firefox, if you uncheck allow display website fonts, firefox will display ALL text within a website with your choosen fonts. for the 3th time, you cant do that with opera if a webmaster has set a specific font in his code..

megaman: I'm just explaining what these kids don't understand

ThePast: just to inform you, I use opera most of the time

obviously, they dont understand so I'll drop the case

too bad since many users are in the same situation :/

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