04 Saleen VS Supra

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IF both cars where stock with one will win?  

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  1. 1. IF both cars where stock with one will win?

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Matt: driving a car has nothing to do with how efficient the motor is. The fact is that it?s sad that Ford can SUPERCHARGE a v8 and not only just beat a Camaro from about 4 years earlier, or that a 2004 Mustang GT has a v8 and can run 14.1 and so can a Nissan 350Z with a v6.

The torque on a 350z is NOT a joke; name an American v6 with 300hp and 260tq? Hell the NEW v8 in the Mustang GT is 300hp lol and only makes 60ft-lbs more torque from a v8 with 1.1L on the Z.

Oh and driving a 1000+hp car does not take skill. LAUNCHING it does.(I'm at the track almost every weekend)Game:b> I?m looking for a 240SX myself. Looking to do a sr20det and RHD swap Matt [again]: If a Supra is out of its prime then why are they still selling for 30k+ used and why are people not having any trouble getting 1000+whp, 1g+skidpad and having no trouble that the track or autoX? I have yet to see a mustang with that much power and still have good handling.

You have to remember i4?s can get in the 7?s also, and you see full race prepped v8?s in the 6?s. So its not like one is vastly superior to another.

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04 Saleen VS Supra, who will win in a race?

for human driver, the better driver wins.

if both cars were driven by robots with equal skills, the car with the better power to weight ratio wins.

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for human driver, the better driver wins.

if both cars were driven by robots with equal skills, the car with the better power to weight ratio wins.

;)

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there are limits to that fact. like gearing....

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390 to the crank

lol i think you have been watching too much the fast and the furious.

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Not really, i've never seen part one or two. I just think Supras are amazing cars, if I could afford one I would purchase a 97 Supra TT Limited edition, gets about 467 @ 10psi (with a few mods of course). Besides stock turbos take out all the fun of modding :woot: (not to be confused with ricing)

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Game: I?m looking for a 240SX myself. Looking to do a sr20det and RHD swa:):)

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Wow.. so am I minus the RHD swap

What's with everyone and SR20 240SX's nowadays? At this rate, the world is going to run out of blacktop SR20s, and eventually the redtops.

for human driver, the better driver wins.

if both cars were driven by robots with equal skills, the car with the better power to weight ratio wins.

;);)

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Spike Spiegel is the coolest animated person on earth.

As for your argument about robots driving cars, what about weight distribution and centre of gravity? What about skidpad results, turning radius, wheelbase, suspension, camber angles, aerodynamics, and transmission shifting time (just to name a few)?.

Power is not everything in a car. In fact, I find power is overrated a lot of the time.

The reason why certain cars are faster than other cars with lower horsepower:weight ratio is basically based on two factors:

1) the amount the driver has adapted to the behavior of the car

2) the behavior of the car after the driver has significantly adapted to the behavior of the car.

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Matt:  driving a car has nothing to do with how efficient the motor is. The fact is that it?s sad that Ford can SUPERCHARGE a v8 and not only just beat a Camaro from about 4 years earlier, or that a 2004 Mustang GT has a v8 and can run 14.1 and so can a Nissan 350Z with a v6.

The torque on a 350z is NOT a joke; name an American v6 with 300hp and 260tq? Hell the NEW v8 in the Mustang GT is 300hp lol and only makes 60ft-lbs more torque from a v8 with 1.1L on the Z.

Oh and driving a 1000+hp car does not take skill. LAUNCHING it does.(I'm at the track almost every weekend)Game:b> I?m looking for a 240SX myself. Looking to do a sr20det and RHD swap Matt [again]:  If a Supra is out of its prime then why are they still selling for 30k+ used and why are people not having any trouble getting 1000+whp, 1g+skidpad and having no trouble that the track or autoX? I have yet to see a mustang with that much power and still have good handling.

You have to remember i4?s can get in the 7?s also, and you see full race prepped v8?s in the 6?s. So its not like one is vastly superior to another.

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lol the only i4 to run a 7 was a half a LS1 and it was a nitro methane car. if you think the torque on the 350z is not a joke then you, no offense, dont know what a fast car is. you talk about how efficient a motor is but have no clue that in the end displacement reigns over all. my friend recently made 900hp/1200tq with this single turbo viper running just 10lbs of boost and on pump gas. show me a supra that can do that and still be a daily driver. what was the motor of the decade? LS1. which car holds the fastest stock body car in the world? the corvette sledgehammer.

supras only hold their value because people like you think they are the best sports car in the world. its exactly why in houston all the supra/import fan boys are moving to vettes, vipers, and cobras because they realize they are the fastest hands down.

for the last part. by you saying that it only takes skill launching a 1000hp car, already deems you ignorant about racing. by that statement, you have no say in what car is faster or the definition of fast. quit reading magazines and believing everything you hear from your biased friends. drive a cobra, vette, or viper and then tell me what fast is, because obviously you havent experienced it.

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Displacement has NOTHING to do with effenentcy. if it did then FOr whould be bale to do 400hp N/A 4.0's why not? Honda can get 200hp from a 2.0 and 160 form a 1.6. and 195 from a 1.8. why are not american v8's that efficent?

Ever watch speed channel? they did a special of i4's ther are AWD talons that run 7's still having an i4.

Name an American v6 that has better tq then a 350Z? You still havnt answered that for me. or why a 350Z (the NON 300hp version) can still run even with a 04' GT. You havent answered that either.

You see tones of 1000+whp Supras. I have seen mroe of them then i have 1000+whp mustangs, Hell ive even seen more supras peg dyons then Mustangs.

Not experienced it ? I have an 04 DSG Cobra and its a POS im trading it in as soon as its paid off. Ive been to teh track NUMOROUS times (im guessing yo have not read my lost post fully or you would have known that) and I'm fed up with peoepl buying a 2000 escort fro like 5k and adding 7k and running low 12's when I spent 32k and running 12.7. It pointless to me to have a supercharged v8 when i can go to a track get beat by a guy that spent less on a car beat me, then turn down teh boost and get better milage then me on teh way home, then the next day take the car to an autoX track and hand me my ass there also.

390hp from a SUPERCHARGED v8 is NOT impressive. Least not when there are i4's making 300.

Hell you can spend 20K+ on a new GT and lose to a 18k Neon lol. oh yeat that v8 really shows its superioroity.

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Displacement has NOTHING to do with effenentcy. if it did then FOr whould be bale to do 400hp N/A 4.0's why not? Honda can get 200hp from a 2.0 and 160 form a 1.6. and 195 from a 1.8. why are not american v8's that efficent?

Ever watch speed channel? they did a special of i4's ther are AWD talons that run 7's still having an i4.

Name an American v6 that has better tq then a 350Z? You still havnt answered that for me. or why a 350Z (the NON 300hp version) can still run even with a 04' GT. You havent answered that either.

You see tones of 1000+whp Supras. I have seen mroe of them then i have 1000+whp mustangs, Hell ive even seen more supras peg dyons then Mustangs.

Not experienced it ? I have an 04 DSG Cobra and its a POS im trading it in as soon as its paid off. Ive been to teh track NUMOROUS times (im guessing yo have not read my lost post fully or you would have known that) and I'm fed up with peoepl buying a 2000 escort fro like 5k and adding 7k and running low 12's when I spent 32k and running 12.7. It pointless to me to have a supercharged v8 when i can go to a track get beat by a guy that spent less on a car beat me, then turn down teh boost and get better milage then me on teh way home, then the next day take the car to an autoX track and hand me my ass there also.

390hp from a SUPERCHARGED v8 is NOT impressive. Least not when there are i4's making 300.

Hell you can spend 20K+ on a new GT and lose to a 18k Neon lol. oh yeat that v8 really shows its superioroity.

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i never said that at stock a mustang was impressive. if you spend 12k and cant run at least a 10 then you are doing something wrong. you are right, you probably have seen more 1000hp supra does that mean there are more 1000hp supras then mustangs? no. ive seen mustangs run 5s and 7s all day long. ive NEVER seen a supra do that. not even a 2 step supra with at least a t88 turbo.

who cares if a honda can make 200hp when it only makes it at 8000rpm. who cares if a supra can make 1000 when it takes a fully built motor nitrous AND 30-35lbs of boost.

my corvette got 25mpg easily. can your 200hp honda go 190+ with a built motor and stock body? do some reseach about small block chevys and you will find they hold the most records in racing than ANY other car.

ive been racing for about 5 years and my friends for about 15 years. combined we have had 5 supras, 4 corvettes, 6-7 vipers, nsx, 996, cobra, mustang gt, 350z, 300z, z06, and civics and preludes. two of my friends built their own single turbo set up on the viper and as ive stated before, it makes over 900hp / 1200tq on a MUSTANG dyno, not a dynojet. mind you it was using pump gas and only 10 lbs of boost. dont tell me that isnt impressive.

my point is that ive been in all types of cars. driven a lot of cars and i know what is faster.

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Depends on the driver and the course. If one driver takes two seconds to shift and the other takes .01 second...its not much of a competition, it also takes a lot of skill just to get traction in a drag race...

but if both drivers are totally even i think that the Saleen will win...but I hate japanese cars, so I'm bias :D

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a z06 is 23mpg UN MODDED. if you add a SC or turbo your not getting close to that.

and the new Vette is 6.0l 400hp and 6000rpm. thats still not as efficent as the 2.0l honda motor. If it was it would be 600HP.

how much power a motor CAN make modde does not matter when it comes to efficentcy. how do you not grasp that yet?

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I am shocked to how ignorant some people are about cars. I will post specs of a 2004 Saleen and the specs of a 90's Supra TT. There is no contest in the speed a saleen will the blow the Supra out of the water in just speed.

Saleen 04

http://www.fast-autos.net/saleen/04saleens281e.html

Supra 96

http://www.fast-autos.net/toyota/96toyotasupra.html

In case people dont understand that. Just look at the quarter mile times. A 90's supra would compete more with cars in these days as a Mustang Gt and 350Z. A supra is a heavy car. A Supra is heavier then a mustang/corvette/350z. The Turbo lag on a twin turbo is terrible. Please research before voting.

Please dont talk how efficent a engine is if your boosting it. Ask anyone a 4.6 L mustang engine will outlast any Supras TT 3.0 just do to lower compression. Horsepower in America is measured at the crank. It is not measure at wheels.

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a z06 is 23mpg UN MODDED. if you add a SC or turbo your not getting close to that.

and the new Vette is 6.0l 400hp and 6000rpm. thats still not as efficent as the 2.0l honda motor. If it was it would be 600HP.

how much power a motor CAN make modde does not matter when it comes to efficentcy. how do you not grasp that yet?

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so the vette can make that power without breaking a sweat, if you mod that honda to get those numbers you will end up with 5mpg, the vette will still be making 400hp, unmodded, under warranty.

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Sorry I had to comment on this i wouldn't usually

a Supra TT is like 320BHP and 285 Torque

an 350Z is 350BHP and 348 Torque

a Saleen Mustang is 390 no idea on torque and weighs **** loads.

the 350Z is gonna eat them for breakfast.

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http://www.fast-autos.net/saleen/04saleens281e.html depends on the specific car, but your an idiot for comparing a car to another without knowing anything about the other car..

a Saleen Mustang is 390 no idea on torque and weighs **** loads.

the z weighs 3300lbs compared to the mustangs 3500lbs, the z makes less hp, I didn't do the math but its pretty obviously that the mustang is making more hp/lb and the specs alone show that it would "eat the 350z for breakfast"

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I'd say go get a Jack Roush Mustang and They Easily do 380HP + Supercharged either that go get an Shelby GT500 SVT Cobra R with 608HP if you want some speed...

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Sorry I had to comment on this i wouldn't usually

a Supra TT is like 320BHP and 285 Torque

an 350Z is 350BHP and 348 Torque

a Saleen Mustang is 390 no idea on torque and weighs **** loads.

the 350Z is gonna eat them for breakfast.

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i just don't see where the 350bhp came from for the Z, i'm pretty positive they don't come stock with anymore than 300, in which case, the mustang would have the advantage with 90ish bhp more

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the UK 350Z is 350, thats why it's called the 350?

there is a 400Z on the way Nismo all the way!!!

the mustang weighs 3350lbs, thing is the mustang looks about as nimble as a lame horse, so if your talking about a proper race not some stupid drag then you'll find the mustang last, i'm pretty sure of it.

supras over here are like 300+ depending on model, there is a 450bhp one down the road from me. the 350Z is 350bhp, 380 torque (check it since i'm home) looks like the US got some watered down performance, much like your M3's.

I really don't see the mustang doing very well.

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Ah, yes. US Z's top out at like 300 max and maybe 260 something for torque, don't remember offhand. But that would make a big difference in favor of the Z over your way.

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Displacement has NOTHING to do with effenentcy. if it did then FOr whould be bale to do 400hp N/A 4.0's why not? Honda can get 200hp from a 2.0 and 160 form a 1.6. and 195 from a 1.8. why are not american v8's that efficent?

Ever watch speed channel? they did a special of i4's ther are AWD talons that run 7's still having an i4.

Name an American v6 that has better tq then a 350Z? You still havnt answered that for me. or why a 350Z (the NON 300hp version) can still run even with a 04' GT. You havent answered that either.

You see tones of 1000+whp Supras. I have seen mroe of them then i have 1000+whp mustangs, Hell ive even seen more supras peg dyons then Mustangs.

Not experienced it ? I have an 04 DSG Cobra and its a POS im trading it in as soon as its paid off. Ive been to teh track NUMOROUS times (im guessing yo have not read my lost post fully or you would have known that) and I'm fed up with peoepl buying a 2000 escort fro like 5k and adding 7k and running low 12's when I spent 32k and running 12.7. It pointless to me to have a supercharged v8 when i can go to a track get beat by a guy that spent less on a car beat me, then turn down teh boost and get better milage then me on teh way home, then the next day take the car to an autoX track and hand me my ass there also.

390hp from a SUPERCHARGED v8 is NOT impressive. Least not when there are i4's making 300.

Hell you can spend 20K+ on a new GT and lose to a 18k Neon lol. oh yeat that v8 really shows its superioroity.

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yeah dude but i bet you dont look like a jakoff driving the mustang.

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