LK. Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 July 22, 2005 IRAN has publicly hanged two male teenagers convicted of raping a 13-year-old boy at knifepoint. After the Supreme Court upheld the verdict of child rape, they were executed on Tuesday in Edalat (Justice) Square in the city of Mashhad. The British gay rights group Outrage! has accused Iran of torturing the two into confessing that they had homosexual sex. It believes that the assault charges were a smokescreen to justify killing homosexuals. Pictures of the hangings, on the ISNA student news agency website, showed the terrified young men crying as they were interviewed by state media in a lorry on the way to the gallows. Another picture showed hangmen in balaclavas tightening the nooses around their necks. Iran?s religiously conservative judiciary decided that the pair had raped the 13-year-old at knifepoint while he was out cycling in the northeast province of Khorassan. The young men?s ages were not released but Ruhollah Rezazadeh, the lawyer for one of them, told ISNA that he was under 18, yet the judiciary had refused to spare him for being too young. The other accused was said to be 18 years old. Iranian newspapers reported that the two were also given more than 200 lashes for theft and drinking alcohol. The press carried conflicting reports about the fate of three other men accused of involvement in the sexual assault. Qods newspaper said that they were still on the run, although the Mardomsalari daily reported that they had been jailed. Mr Rezazadeh defended the two, saying they had not understood that gay relations and drinking were forbidden. Homosexuality is a crime in Iran, but the death penalty is normally reserved for murder, rape, armed robbery, adultery, drug trafficking and apostasy. Many newspapers said that the pair were originally from the restive southwest province of Khuzestan, home to Iran?s Arab minority and the lion?s share of the Islamic republic?s oil wealth. Peter Tatchell, an Outrage! spokesman, said that Britain should reconsider its relations with Iran because of its victimisation of homosexuals. ?We urge the international community to treat Iran as a pariah state, break off diplomatic relations and impose trade sanctions,? he said. Britain follows a policy of constructive engagement with Iran, alongside France and Germany, mainly directed at resolving an international dispute over whether Tehran is seeking nuclear arms. The European Union has been pursuing a human rights dialogue with Iran, but last year the American pressure group Human Rights Watch said that abuses had risen since 2000. Amnesty International said that Iran executed 159 people last year, a figure exceeded only by China. Under Iran?s religious law, the age of criminal culpability is defined as puberty, which most judges put at 15 for boys and nine for girls. Iran has already drawn fire from international rights groups for executing minors. Last summer a 16-year-old girl, Atefeh Rajabi, was hanged in the Caspian port of Neka for sex before marriage. Medical reports, not allowed in court, had suggested that she was mentally ill. The clerical judiciary has repeatedly said that it is preparing to overhaul its approach to juvenile crime and would institute a minimum age of 18 for long prison or death sentences. But human rights lawyers are not convinced that the reforms will be impCHILD DEATHSCHILD DEATHS Since 1990 11 child offenders reported executed http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,251-1703858,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENGUINwithM4A1 Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 now if we hung our hooded menaces do you thing we would lose the problem of these thugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeRliRcs Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 (edited) Iran Gay Teens Executed by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff Posted: July 21, 2005 11:00 am ET (London) Two teenagers have been executed after a religious court found them them guilty of homosexuality according to pro-Democracy groups. The Iranian Students News Agency reports that the executions took place on July 19 in the northeastern city of Mashhad. One teen, ISNA says was 18, the other was a minor, believed to be 16 or 17. The organization ran a picture of what it said was the execution on its Web site. The English language Iran In Focus also reported the executions, saying the teens were hanged in public in the city square. It quotes sources as saying the teens were executed for having sex with another minor but this could not be confirmed. The report does not name the victim. Under Sharia law the victim of a sexual assault must also be executed. Both news services say that prior to their execution, the teenagers were held in prison for 14 months, severely beaten and given the lash 228 times. A report of the executions was also carried on the website of the respected democratic opposition movement, The National Council of Resistance Of Iran. Ruhollah Rezazadeh, the lawyer for the younger teen reportedly had appealed the death sentence but the Supreme Court in Tehran ordered him to be hanged. Under the Iranian penal code, girls as young as nine and boys as young as 15 can be hanged. Three other young gay Iranians are reportedly being hunted by police, but they are said to have gone into hiding and cannot be found. If caught, they would also face execution. The British LGBT rights group OutRage has called for sanctions against Iran. The organization has called for western states to break off diplomatic relations, impose trade sanctions and treat Iran as "a pariah state". "This is just the latest barbarity by the Islamo-fascists in Iran,? said OutRage spokesperson Peter Tatchell. "The entire country is a gigantic prison, with Islamic rule sustained by detention without trial, torture and state-sanctioned murder. "According to Iranian human rights campaigners, over 4,000 lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Ayatollahs seized power in 1979," said Tatchell. Iran In Focus reports that members of Iran?s parliament are applauding the court for carrying out the death sentence on the teens. "These individuals were corrupt. Their sentence was carried out with the approval of the judiciary and it served them right,? the publication quotes Ali Asgari, a member of the Majlis Party Legal Affairs Committee. At least three men have been sentenced over the past month to death by stoning in Nigeria which also follows Sharia law in several provinces. (story) In March a gay couple was beheaded in a public execution in Saudi Arabia. (story) The pair had been convicted of killing a blackmailer who had threatened to expose them to authorities. Hundreds of other gays have been rounded up by Saudi authorities in recent months. (story) Story source: http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/07/072105iran.htm Additional sources: http://outrage.nabumedia.com/pressrelease.asp?ID=302[/So, while you may be inclined to think that a story like the one above can?t happen here, just know that ? if certain things fall into place (and the wheels are already in motion) ? it could. And while most of the religious right ? perhaps with the exception of Fred Phelps and others like him ? wouldn?t dream of openly approving of acts like the one that inspired this post, you probably won?t hear them objecting to it either. Just remember that. - blog quote from The Republic of T.blic of T. I guess this is what happens when governm:no:gets religious? :no: Edited July 22, 2005 by liferay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boffa Jones Veteran Posted July 22, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 22, 2005 bleh if all you posted this for is to bash religious gov't then I think you cheapen the human rights issues. This is terrible because of the human rights abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeRliRcs Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 bleh if all you posted this for is to bash religious gov't then I think you cheapen the human rights issues. This is terrible because of the human rights abuse. 586255390[/snapback] Yes, it is human rights abuse. But I didn't post it to bash religious government, I think its actions shows it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LispyGlitter2 Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 I could read the story without the pictures please...it's too chilling :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 i have no words for this act of stupidity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digipoi Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 So, while you may be inclined to think that a story like the one above can?t happen here, just know that ? if certain things fall into place (and the wheels are already in motion) ? it could. And while most of the religious right ? perhaps with the exception of Fred Phelps and others like him ? wouldn?t dream of openly approving of acts like the one that inspired this post, you probably won?t hear them objecting to it either.Just remember that. - blog quote from The Republic of T.f T.[/url] I guess this is what happens when government ge:no:eligious? :no: 586255288[/snapback] So you are posting this to scare Americans into thinking we will execute homosexuals in our streets along with sexual assault victims? That is just as backwards as Sharia law. Is it happy hour already in your state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeRliRcs Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 So you are posting this to scare Americans into thinking we will execute homosexuals in our streets along with sexual assault victims? 586255667[/snapback] :blink: I posted an article to show human rights violations in Iran. I don't think this scares Americans. We have other things to be scared of. First off, you first part doesn't make sense to me, "execute homosexuals in our streets along with sexual assault victims". Does Iran execute sexual assault victims? Second I'm not making Americans think Iran executes gay teenagers, Iran does execute gay teenagers. That is just as backwards as Sharia law. Is it happy hour already in your state? 586255667[/snapback] The teens were killed because of Sharia law currently active in Iran. I don't get the "is it happy hour already in your state?" part of your statement, but yeah it's getting close to being happy hour here; however, I don't drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digipoi Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 Under Sharia law the victim of a sexual assault must also be executed. Fourth paragraph down. However, the victim hasnt been identified. You should read the article you posted. The other block of post I quoted probably should be re-read again as well. Seems to me you are saying that this can happen here in the US, the wheels are already in motion, etc. Sounds to me like scare tactics. Thats just garbage. EDIT: Why must buggers always point everything at the US. Doesnt that seem to be going overboard already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeRliRcs Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 Fourth paragraph down. However, the victim hasnt been identified. You should read the article you posted.The other block of post I quoted probably should be re-read again as well. Seems to me you are saying that this can happen here in the US, the wheels are already in motion, etc. Sounds to me like scare tactics. Thats just garbage. 586255747[/snapback] Seems like you're the one that's enjoying happy hour. The quote is from someone else's blog, or did you miss that part when you read the post? And the whole thing about this happening in America? Though it might not be government endorsed in America, gay bashing still happens here; and if you read articles in regards to those events, you'll know that a good number of them results in the death of a human being. I posted an article, whatever conspiracy theory you may conjure up in your own head is your own business. And whatever garbage you come with, I say have at it. EDIT: Why must buggers always point everything at the US. Doesnt that seem to be going overboard already? 586255747[/snapback] Seriously, what are you on? :rolleyes: When and where did any figures pointed at the US? :rofl: Are you that paranoid about the US being at fault for something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_sphinx_ Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 WTF?! Homosexuality is punishable by law...execution?!??!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boffa Jones Veteran Posted July 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 23, 2005 Seems like you're the one that's enjoying happy hour. The quote is from someone else's blog, or did you miss that part when you read the post?And the whole thing about this happening in America? Though it might not be government endorsed in America, gay bashing still happens here; and if you read articles in regards to those events, you'll know that a good number of them results in the death of a human being. I posted an article, whatever conspiracy theory you may conjure up in your own head is your own business. And whatever garbage you come with, I say have at it. Seriously, what are you on? :rolleyes: When and where did any figures pointed at the US? :rofl: Are you that paranoid about the US being at fault for something? 586255790[/snapback] It seems to me as well that the blog in the first paragraph was doing everything Digipoi said, you posting it as well endorses what it says. I don't see where the confusion is. You seem to be saying or at least endorsing someone saying that because of the current government we are not too far off from seeing things like this happen in america. I also doubt a good number of gay bashing incidents result in death... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digipoi Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 It seems to me as well that the blog in the first paragraph was doing everything Digipoi said, you posting it as well endorses what it says. I don't see where the confusion is. You seem to be saying or at least endorsing someone saying that because of the current government we are not too far off from seeing things like this happen in america. I also doubt a good number of gay bashing incidents result in death... 586255996[/snapback] Thank you Boffa. I was beginning to think I was reading the wrong thread. I will be enjoying Happy Hour in approximately 1 hour though. Back at liferay: Im not paranoid at the US being at fault, Im saying its just not that interesting to see all these threads turn into a US spin which is what seemed to be the point of your article (maybe not, depends on what article youre reading). Too many little knuckers jump on the bandwagon as it seems to be the popular kid in class theory. edit: I really dont have a need to be defensive of the US actions, good or bad. I could call any country an ###### if I put them under a large enough microscope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeRliRcs Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 It seems to me as well that the blog in the first paragraph was doing everything Digipoi said, you posting it as well endorses what it says. I don't see where the confusion is. You seem to be saying or at least endorsing someone saying that because of the current government we are not too far off from seeing things like this happen in america. I also doubt a good number of gay bashing incidents result in death... 586255996[/snapback] Thank you Boffa. I was beginning to think I was reading the wrong thread. I will be enjoying Happy Hour in approximately 1 hour though.Back at liferay: Im not paranoid at the US being at fault, Im saying its just not that interesting to see all these threads turn into a US spin which is what seemed to be the point of your article (maybe not, depends on what article youre reading). Too many little knuckers jump on the bandwagon as it seems to be the popular kid in class theory. edit: I really dont have a need to be defensive of the US actions, good or bad. I could call any country an ###### if I put them under a large enough microscope. 586256261[/snapback] Points taken, but the quote is from another site. I put it there to show a view point. The quote was against your opinion, fine; but what was the point of asking me? I never wrote it. Being gay in America doesn't result in government sponsored execution, but it isn't exactly a party either. So yes the quote from the other person's blog might be a far stretch, but at the current rate of integration of religious beliefs into the government policies and laws; you bet I'm going to be a little scared of it. With that said, I hope this issue will now be considered resolved. Enjoy your happy hours guys. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotRoot Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Yes! Let's go and take over Iran so that we can Americanize them too!!! Iraq just LOVED it when we did it to them. Let's go tell Iran: "The Islamic beliefs that your democratic country has held for hundreds and hundreds of years is wrong!" All I'm saying is that Iran is a democracy and if the majority wanted to change it then it would change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boffa Jones Veteran Posted July 23, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 23, 2005 Honestly... How democratic is it when journalists are imprisoned for their opinions? I hardly think people being hunted because of their blogs is democratic either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobscured Vision Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 :crazy: .... :no: Unacceptable. Disgusting. Many more words come to mind, but I'm not a rascist so I will keep them to myself. All I can say is that in an age where humanity is inching ever closer to understanding, some are more evolved than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daninku Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 For those interested: (if it's against the rules, mods pls remove them) Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Thay still live in the medieval ages with there modern age nuclear arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laz45 Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Why can't we do this here? Here it takes years in courts battling and crap then they go to jail for a couple of years and then they are out and they might do the same thing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diffused Mind Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Why can't we do this here? Here it takes years in courts battling and crap then they go to jail for a couple of years and then they are out and they might do the same thing again. 586257397[/snapback] Exactly what I was thinking. (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isys_uk Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 All I can say is that in an age where humanity is inching ever closer to understanding Do you really think so? From what I see happening in the world and around me, I would say the opposite is true. Something like this just shows how far apart the people of the world still are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amroth Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 It is simple actually. The method is to deter those people who are likely to do the same offence. Put it this way, if U were in Iran.. will u do the same thing. I will not do since I love my life. Same goes to some countries that impose death sentence for drug trafficking. The result is, drugs trafficking has been reduced to 80% in year 1968 in my country. Today, we have less than 100 drug trafficking casses. How to deter people with the heart of beast? Give them the worst punishment.. Death. That's all. No flame please. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laz45 Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 I agree but we know this will never happen here :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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