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Of the 248 vetoes recorded by the five Security Council members since the inception of the United Nations, the United States has cast 73 - the vast majority of them related to the Middle East.

Here is a list of the US vetoes, in addition to 25 US abstentions on S. C resolutions that are condemning

Israel alone which are 25 out of 71.

source: http://www.al-bushra.org/palestine/veto.html

in WWII a bit of palestine...gaza strip...  was attacked by britain, and then since israel was an ally britain, let them gain control. Thousands of ppl were left homeles in palestine. So theres an ongoin war between the muslims and jews, where palestinian ppl are tryin to get it bak( they wanted it so much because Jeruslem was considered as a Holy city to both the Jews and Muslims), but USA keeps supplying israel with weapons and stuff and when UN ppl get together to discus it, USA keeps vetoein it. Heaps of muslims are dying in the region. Al Queda comes from that region and they get all ****y at the US and they use the muslims name when bombing things. But thing is most people in this world don't know about vetos and they think it started randomly, so now they think that muslims are evil since the Al Queda used the muslim name when they launch terrorist attacks but its not the muslims that are doing it

source: recollection from TV

my opinion:

well from reading about vetos and listening to what my friend said and hearing something similar on TV, i think that the US are being b****es to Palestine and that people need to have a wider view on who the Al Queda is. They're just extremists using the muslims name. I think the muslims are innocent and that they should not be discriminated against. as for the US, they're like marching into Iraq just to get a war started then it turns out that they haven't found any weapons of mass destruction and found themselves more oil to harvest. With the recent bombings of Egypt, the deaths were higher than London and the sources indicate that the bombs were from Al Queda and once again using the muslims name. They were killing locals and only killed around 10 foreigners. and what does Egypt have to do with the Iraq war or with the Al Queda they didn't do anything. what do you guys think? i don't think the war on terrorism is what it seems displayed all over the media

What do you guys think on war on terrorism?

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i fully agree on what you say Manson. it is really unfortunate what is happening to this world, as these people are using the muslim name to get back at america/israel, and innocent muslims such as myself are getting caught in the middle.

it would be much better if people woke up to the truth, instead of listening to what the biased media say! :unsure:

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The Palestine issue? Its been an ongoing fight between Israelis and Palestinians for a very long time. Possible a couple thousand years. Ever since the Israelis came into the "Promised Land".

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They found nothing but massive graves of the dead. Sort of like the concentration camps. But hey the US shouldn't have gotten involved in the Holocaust either, right?

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So, the oil thing. Well I'll agree that certain US companies have made money off the rebuilding of Iraq. And it looks as though through illegal means, such as bypassing the bidding process. However, the Iraqis still do control their oil supply.

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I do agree about the Muslims though. Islam is a peaceful religion. At least it is meant to be. You can't judge a person by not knowing them at all and making them guilty by association. You have to judge each person based on their actions and/or thoughts. Otherwise everyone would hate everyone else, because nobody and no group is perfect. It seems sometimes though that everyone does in fact hate everyone else.

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in WWII a bit of palestine...gaza strip...  was attacked by britain, and then since israel was an ally britain, let them gain control. Thousands of ppl were left homeles in palestine. So theres an ongoin war between the muslims and jews, where palestinian ppl are tryin to get it bak( they wanted it so much because Jeruslem was considered as a Holy city to both the Jews and Muslims), but USA keeps supplying israel with weapons and stuff and when UN ppl get together to discus it, USA keeps vetoein it. Heaps of muslims are dying in the region. Al Queda comes from that region and they get all ****y at the US and they use the muslims name when bombing things. But thing is most people in this world don't know about vetos and they think it started randomly, so now they think that muslims are evil since the Al Queda used the muslim name when they launch terrorist attacks but its not the muslims that are doing it

No wonder you believe the US to be at fault, you are receiving completely erronous information.

Britian controlled Palestine after WWI, it took it from the Ottoman Empire (another conqueror, who happen to be Islamic). Israel did not exist during WWII, it was created after the war for displaced Jews. Britian ceded its control of the Palestine to the new Jewish state. There is not any concrete evidence that a Palestinian state existed before Israel ceded land to create one.

After the formation of Israel, it was summarily and repeatedly attacked by every Muslim country that could manage an invasion force. Israel won every war signed peace treaties, returned conquered territory, and made no hostile gestures towards its neighbors who still screamed to "push the zionist into the sea". Then the terrorist attacks began.

Israel has given sovereignity to the Palestinians, surrendered more land than that which currently makes up Israeli territory, and they're asking price has been only peace from the start. Maybe it is wishful thinking but Israel merely wishes to not have people blowing themselves up in the middle of a crowd of Israeli civilians.

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No wonder you believe the US to be at fault, you are receiving completely erronous information.

Britian controlled Palestine after WWI, it took it from the Ottoman Empire (another conqueror, who happen to be Islamic). Israel did not exist during WWII, it was created after the war for displaced Jews. Britian ceded its control of the Palestine to the new Jewish state. There is not any concrete evidence that a Palestinian state existed before Israel ceded land to create one.

After the formation of Israel, it was summarily and repeatedly attacked by every Muslim country that could manage an invasion force. Israel won every war signed peace treaties, returned conquered territory, and made no hostile gestures towards its neighbors who still screamed to "push the zionist into the sea". Then the terrorist attacks began.

Israel has given sovereignity to the Palestinians, surrendered more land than that which currently makes up Israeli territory, and they're asking price has been only peace from the start. Maybe it is wishful thinking but Israel merely wishes to not have people blowing themselves up in the middle of a crowd of Israeli civilians.

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And that is the thing, They were attacked by like 5 countries and actually gained land. I agree that the jews should pull out of gaza, which they seem to be doing and no one seems to care, only wanting to talk about how evil the jews are. And people cry about how the palestinians are in the good blowing themselves up in buses filled with innocent children and other civilans. Thank god it is slowly moving toward peace.

Last I read though the militants were firing off rockets and mortars into the jewish neighborhoods agian, I guess now that things are going towards peace they have to destroy the process so they can keep being 'oppressed' and have the support of the people.

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And that is the thing, They were attacked by like 5 countries and actually gained land. I agree that the jews should pull out of gaza, which they seem to be doing and no one seems to care, only wanting to talk about how evil the jews are.  And people cry about how the palestinians are in the good blowing themselves up in buses filled with innocent children and other civilans. Thank god it is slowly moving toward peace.

Last I read though the militants were firing off rockets and mortars into the jewish neighborhoods agian, I guess now that things are going towards peace they have to destroy the process so they can keep being 'oppressed' and have the support of the people.

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Essentially though, looking at the history of Israel, as long as Palestine exists Israel is going to be oppressed attacked and otherwise bullied. When you have one country that simply hates another with the fervor that Palestine hates Israel, there's no real solution to bring permanent peace unless you eliminate the source of the hate.

Realistically speaking, that's unrealistic at the moment, and therefore Israel continues to defend itself and its national interests. As the US is an Israeli ally, they've always assisted in this endeavor.

Essentially, what I mean by all this is that saying we "need to bring peace to Israel" it much easier said than done. History tells us that much.

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Realistically speaking, that's unrealistic at the moment, and therefore Israel continues to defend itself and its national interests. As the US is an Israeli ally, they've always assisted in this endeavor.

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ok im not saying what palestine is doing is right or anything.

but the thing is...does this mean when israel blows up a palestinean school it is good for US to be the 'amazing ally' it is and totally veto it so that the UN cant discuss it?

like wouldnt it be better if both sides just fully stopped doing what they're doing?? :pinch: :unsure:

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I am sure that Israel would be all for the palestinian militants stopping of the attacks, hell I am all for it.

It's funny how Israel is always portrayed as the aggressor, just like a lot of things, give them an inch and they take a mile and still complain. The only way the Palestinians will stop is if the Israeli's are dead and gone, and we should NEVER allow that.

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You know what even more ironic? The Kingdom of Jordan holds the lion share of land that was traditionally settled by the Palestinians and yet they have no intention of give it up.

Manson_AAN, careful where you get your misinformation or people could start labelling you as a rabid anti-Semite.

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what's a rabid anti-semite?

i think the UN should discuss about the many incidents that the US is vetoeing because like innocents die and if you were one of them you would want the one responsibe be caught wouldn't you? but i think everyone wants the war to end and "peace" but the time when that comes will be a long time i think

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What do I think about the War on terror? I'm not sure what it is anymore, thanks to the massive media manipulation. What first comes to mind with people here is what the Bush adminstration does. Really, the War on Terror is fraught with media manipulation and propaganda employed extensively by both supporters and opposition. I would say that opposition manipulation and propaganda is employed on a grander scale globally, but is usually more subtle. Supporters employ propaganda that is a little more obvious. In my opinion, I think the opposition propaganda is more dangerous due to the fact that more people are oblivious to it. The War on Terror has seen the use of every single type of strategy imaginable, which has succeeded in making it extraordinarily fuzzy. Nationalism, straw man, scapegoating, distraction, you name it. It has been used.

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Essentially though, looking at the history of Israel, as long as Palestine exists Israel is going to be oppressed attacked and otherwise bullied. When you have one country that simply hates another with the fervor that Palestine hates Israel, there's no real solution to bring permanent peace unless you eliminate the source of the hate.

Realistically speaking, that's unrealistic at the moment, and therefore Israel continues to defend itself and its national interests. As the US is an Israeli ally, they've always assisted in this endeavor.

Essentially, what I mean by all this is that saying we "need to bring peace to Israel" it much easier said than done. History tells us that much.

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I think that not as many palestinians hate the jews as it is made out to be. Just like not all americans love George Bush. Also just like not all americans are arrogant. Just stupid stereotypes. I mean if I beleived that only the americans you see on CNN are who I should judge it by I would think you guys are all corrupt, murdering, kidnapping pedo's. Of course I have met, briefly, many americans and know that to not be true.

Now I am sure that there is a sizable chunk of Palestinians who hate the jews, but look at how peaceful (relatively) it has been in the past little while there. Not including the recent flare up's, but from my perspective the new attacks against israel are from the people who don't want the fighting to stop, as up untill there, the settlements are being closed and everything.

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like wouldnt it be better if both sides just fully stopped doing what they're doing??  :pinch:  :unsure:

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Umm...if that was the case,don't you think that would've happened already? It's not that easy.

I think that not as many palestinians hate the jews as it is made out to be. Just like not all americans love George Bush. Also just like not all americans are arrogant. Just stupid stereotypes. I mean if I beleived that only the americans you see on CNN are who I should judge it by I would think you guys are all corrupt, murdering, kidnapping pedo's. Of course I have met, briefly, many americans and know that to not be true.

Now I am sure that there is a sizable chunk of Palestinians who hate the jews, but look at how peaceful (relatively) it has been in the past little while there. Not including the recent flare up's, but from my perspective the new attacks against israel are from the people who don't want the fighting to stop, as up untill there, the settlements are being closed and everything.

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My sentinments exactly Boffa. For those who don't want this to stop is doing their hardest to make this process meaningless.

No one wants this to keep happening but there's always a few that make things more difficult than what it should be.

It's really sad that some pay more attention to the media and believe what they read and hear and not find out for themselves.

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