Windows Vista

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Thanks for the review and the Game Explorer thing too. :)

Beats the crap out of a "blog review" I read about here earlier. :p

Hmm, are you sure one Aero mode will require the equivalent of GeForce 7 series cards?? I thought DirectX 9 and LDDM support was only prerequisites. Jeez, even next year, not *that* many will have had time to catch on with those as they'll just recently have entered the market. Aero Diamond is just a theme they're making for the Media Center Edition btw, and I've never heard of the "Extreme" notion before. What's your source? A Microsoft page somewhere?

I too think Vista is shaping up to become a pretty pleasant OS to use. However, I wonder if MS won't have to spend some time clarifying the concepts of virtual folders, account-specific folders, and system-wide folders a bit better. Right now it's a bit blurred when you enter \Users\JoeUser\Documents, \Users\Public\Documents, or looking at a virtual folder with documents, and that there's a huge difference between all of these. Of course, *I* as an experienced user can grasp the concepts pretty quickly, but I'm not so sure for the novice users.

I also think it would be nice if they used the right-click menu with "New -> Blabla..." options to have "New -> Virtual Folder" along with "New -> Folder". Where that option would open up the regular dialog with filter options, and clicking OK would create the virtual folder. Right now it's a bit weird to make such folders by saving searches.

Hopefully they'll keep simplifying and clarifying things while preserving usability and "depth" in what you can do in the OS in future builds.

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Thanks for the review and the Game Explorer thing too. :)

Beats the crap out of a "blog review" I read about here earlier. :p

Hmm, are you sure one Aero mode will require the equivalent of GeForce 7 series cards?? I thought DirectX 9 and LDDM support was only prerequisites. Jeez, even next year, not *that* many will have had time to catch on with those as they'll just recently have entered the market. Aero Diamond is just a theme they're making for the Media Center Edition btw, and I've never heard of the "Extreme" notion before. What's your source? A Microsoft page somewhere?

I too think Vista is shaping up to become a pretty pleasant OS to use. However, I wonder if MS won't have to spend some time clarifying the concepts of virtual folders, account-specific folders, and system-wide folders a bit better. Right now it's a bit blurred when you enter \Users\JoeUser\Documents, \Users\Public\Documents, or looking at a virtual folder with documents, and that there's a huge difference between all of these. Of course, *I* as an experienced user can grasp the concepts pretty quickly, but I'm not so sure for the novice users.

I also think it would be nice if they used the right-click menu with "New -> Blabla..." options to have "New -> Virtual Folder" along with "New -> Folder". Where that option would open up the regular dialog with filter options, and clicking OK would create the virtual folder. Right now it's a bit weird to make such folders by saving searches.

Hopefully they'll keep simplifying and clarifying things while preserving usability and "depth" in what you can do in the OS in future builds.

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My source is the private testers newsgroups (where the Longhorn dev team communicate with us as well) I cant copy and paste, so this is a case of "please trust me" as it would break the NDA of the beta. With regards to the GeForce 7 Question, Yes, because the 7xxx ards are the only cards to support WGF 2.0 (directx 10). You have to bear in mind, that with the expected release date of vista being November 2006, there will be a flurry of new graphics cards that will have WGF 2.0 support, and Vista will want to take full advantage of the new system

Hope that clears things up for you :)

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chrispinto

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Hey Chris, someone said in another thread that the sidebar will be coming back in Vista eventually, true or false?

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The Sidebar is actually there, but there is no way to enable it. Whether this will appear in beta 2? its too early to speculate, and its a hot topic of discussion in some testing circles (mainly because most of us think its crap).

Creamhackered would probably be able to confirm or deny this much quicker than i can, however, i would say that at this stage, no, its not making a comeback, having ben missing in a few of the later builds.

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your card isnt a DX9c compliant card... i  short, you cant get glass

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So if you're card isnt good enought it wont even show up? I only get 1 option which is a silvery type look......I know my card isnt good enought,its only DX8 but getting that sorted...just find it bit change it knows what themes and all....

shed a little light?

Nice review as well,

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y_notm

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The Sidebar is actually there, but there is no way to enable it. Whether this will appear in beta 2? its too early to speculate, and its a hot topic of discussion in some testing circles (mainly because most of us think its crap).

Creamhackered would probably be able to confirm or deny this much quicker than i can, however, i would say that at this stage, no, its not making a comeback, having ben missing in a few of the later builds.

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I've seen nothing in the build pertaining to the Sidebar, care to be a bit more specific? I would love to see some actual evidence that it is in fact not dead.

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chrispinto

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I've seen nothing in the build pertaining to the Sidebar, care to be a bit more specific? I would love to see some actual evidence that it is in fact not dead.

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if youre an official tester, sure, pm me.

if not...on yer bike :)

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From what I know it was confirmed that Sidebar IS in build 5203 but not on by default. However the Beta 1 build is 5112. From what I know it's not in there or at least there is absolutely no hint of it apparent in it.

It may be in the Beta 1 build but from my own experience with it and from what I know it's not. (I could be wrong tho)

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I am from Colombia and from here it is very difficult to obtain an account in msdn.

I need to Download the new Windows Vista.

Someone who could help??

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That's the second time you've asked. In case you didn't know, Beta 1 is a CLOSED beta and only available to selected testers. The only way to get it outside of official routes is to warez and, and Neowin is not a warez site...

Beta 2 is, AFAIK, planned to be public. It should only be around 6 months, wait for it, it'll be much more feature complete and stable...

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