milesfromordinary Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 It's the drugged out losers who think that pot should be legal that are causing society to become less and less aware of the growing problems, and while they are droning on and on over whether they should be allowed to smoke up legally they could be doing something with their lives that would benefit society and pull us out of the sickening state we're in. Sub, regarding your post, I think that you are very fortunate to be part of the extremely small percentage of people who smoke pot that can lead a successful life at the same time. Think of all the wasted potential on the people who are unable to control their drug problems. They could be working in government making a real difference, or having a job outside the factory that they work to gain their minimum wage so they can get their collateral back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Flex Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 One may gloss over the fact that you have used it and it has not impaired you throughout your life is a testament to solidarity, not to community. There are those who become impaired by it, and have serious effects socially or biologically. In a appropriate analogy of alcohol, we can look at it's healthiness, when used properly. However, there are those who do not, who abuse it and display the negative effects of it. The same applies to marijuana. Despite the odd person who has not suffered ill effects, there are always going to be those who abuse it or feel those ill effects more easily. Congratulations for the successful use of it, but that is not everybody. And of course, everyone believes that nothing will happen to them. No one believes they will drink, drive, and perish, or believes that they will ever take anything harder than marijuana. That just doesn't happen. It is ironic, that in the matters of safety, everyone worries that their house will be broken into, or they will be stabbed. Relatively low possibilities. Yet, when it comes to personal pleasure, they forget all the risks and go for it, despite all warnings, because the opposite occurs: It will never happen. And it is those personal pleasures that become headaches for society. In Vancouver, for example, we have a drug problem, not a homeless problem. Ask any of them: Many, if not most, got there because of marijuana. That's where it all began. The harder drugs followed, and it drained them of their money. Most turned to prostitution or thieving. Furthermore, organized crime is very much linked to drugs. The Hell's Angels, especially. To believe that legalization will hurt their business is foolish. They will produce more desirable marijuana, or turn to harder drugs. Harder drugs that will be 'cool' to use, easy to become addicted to, and supplied with free samples followed by expensive prices that will fill the HA pockets. The fact is, marijuana contributes nothing to society while causing damage to it. We should think of society, rather than those intent on their own personal gain by using a damaging drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasarson Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 The fact is, marijuana contributes nothing to society while causing damage to it. We should think of society, rather than those intent on their own personal gain by using a damaging drug. 586317328[/snapback] but cigarettes and alcohol do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfoos Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Yes, and I refer you to this poll. https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...02&hl=marijuana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilos Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 The fact is, marijuana contributes nothing to society while causing damage to it. We should think of society, rather than those intent on their own personal gain by using a damaging drug. 586317328[/snapback] Perhaps it contributes nothing to you, but it makes alot of other people happy. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I think it should stay illegal because: If it becomes legal it will be stocked on shelves like cigarets eventually, which means people will think its ok to smoke like cigarets and soon everyone will be smoking pot losing there memory and wish they never started smoking pot. With it illegal it keeps most people from never using it like cigarets. That is my reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilos Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I think it should stay illegal because:If it becomes legal it will be stocked on shelves like cigarets eventually, which means people will think its ok to smoke like cigarets and soon everyone will be smoking pot losing there memory and wish they never started smoking pot. With it illegal it keeps most people from never using it like cigarets. That is my reason. 586317359[/snapback] Stops who? Pot is easier to get then cigs, ever meet a drug dealer that asks for ID? :laugh: Atleast if it was legal you could be more sure of what your purchasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey992 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I've never smoked it but I have seen it's long term effects on people who have. It may not give you cancer or liver disease but it makes it a lot harder for you to function like a normal human being. Why do you think the terms "stoner" and "pothead" conjure up images of hippies and people with no focus? It wouldn't concern me much if it was legalized but it would be the worst thing to ever happen to the pot smoking community. It would take away the mystique of it and the government would tax and regulate the hell out of the stuff causing it to be twice as expensive as it is now. I am of the opinion that pot will not be legalized in the US within anyone on this forum's lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Stops who? Pot is easier to get then cigs, ever meet a drug dealer that asks for ID? :laugh: Atleast if it was legal you could be more sure of what your purchasing. 586317371[/snapback] The point is, at the moment it is not as easy to obtain as walking into ur local shop and picking ur fav brand off a shelf. which stops allot of people from using Pot, if it becomes legal it will be seen as ok to buy and use, some people I know justify there pot taken because they only use it at special events, to "enhance" the occasion, well when was the last time you ever spoken to someone who said the same thing about cigarets? Never, If Pot was legal it would become the Cigaret and everyone would be smoking it every day, everyone always high. And you know what happens then, you get F'd up thats what lose your short term memory and finding it harder and harder to concentrate and every time you light up another the effect will seem less and less satisfying and then what you got? nothing, no memory u cannot concentrate and the good feelings don't work no more. It should stay illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dud Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 It should be legalized and alcohol made illegal. Who gets pot poisoning? When do you ever hear someone say "I got in this huge fistfight while I was high last weekend"? Now, driving high would still be a problem, but the trade would at least eliminate a few of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaidiir Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 isn't it true that cigarettes are far more hazardous to the human body than marijuana? I think that if it was regulated, it could be legal without major problems. and we'd save several BILLION taxpayer dollars every year, as it takes a serious amount of people to chase people down over a little pot. hundreds and hundreds of prison cells could be emptied of people put away on marijuana posession charges and be used to contaon murders and rapists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 isn't it true that cigarettes are far more hazardous to the human body than marijuana? 586317440[/snapback] No, that?s a lie, marijuana has more carcinogens that tobacco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pto Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Legalized it would be a lot less shady, kids whose parents don't have an issue with it could let their kids do it under their supervision. It would bring import markets to the U.S. Less police force time consumed by presueing a pointless drug. Alcohol is very abrasive, and a violent 'drug' while weed just mellows everyone out. I've smoked once and never again, nothing bad happened I just set a standard for myself and weed is not what I want to do, i don't drink either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 isn't it true that cigarettes are far more hazardous to the human body than marijuana? 586317440[/snapback] When I was in school we were taught it was like having 3 cigarettes in 1 go. Health wise. Also I think Cigarettes should be banned too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pto Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I think it should stay illegal because:If it becomes legal it will be stocked on shelves like cigarets eventually, which means people will think its ok to smoke like cigarets and soon everyone will be smoking pot losing there memory and wish they never started smoking pot. With it illegal it keeps most people from never using it like cigarets. That is my reason. 586317359[/snapback] Cigarettes are f****** digusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Cigarettes are f****** digusting. 586317465[/snapback] I agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imtoomuch Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Yes, it should be legal. Tax the crap out of it too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
505 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Yes, it should be legalised. I live in the Netherlands, and think the government should really legalise al soft-drugs. Now it's only 'allowed.' You may go to a coffee shop and buy 5 gram, but these coffee shop are not allowed to buy it from growers. So how do they get it? Well they buy it illegally (or actually: they just buy it and the police looks away). This double policy gives a lot of problems. Far better to legalise it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Flex Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 but cigarettes and alcohol do. 586317334[/snapback] Oh, very clever! However, I never said that alcohol or cigarettes were not harmful. I even pointed out the fallibility of alochol on those (and they are quite common) who abuse it. I do have quite a problem with the unlimited use of alcohol and cigarettes, as it appears to be a vice that society cannot shake. However, do stay on topic on the effects of marijuana. As it has been pointed out, it does have negative effects on the body, and we can't trust everyone to be so responsible with it's use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilos Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 What it comes down to, is our own right to do whatever the **** we want to our OWN bodies. Nothing gives anyone else the right to make that decision unless it is directly causing harm to someone else! Simple as that. :crazy: I shouldn't have to worrie about being put in jail for being fined for something I enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milesfromordinary Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 People who do drugs are losers - plain and simple. Whether it's to be "cool", to have some fun, or to make them feel better. Using a substance to help yourself is one of the most illogical, ineffective, and cowardly things you can do. Do something with your life to keep you occupied, there are tons of things cooler than smoking weed and using these drugs shows how cowardly you are to face your problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddog Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 People who do drugs are losers - plain and simple. Whether it's to be "cool", to have some fun, or to make them feel better. Using a substance to help yourself is one of the most illogical, ineffective, and cowardly things you can do. Do something with your life to keep you occupied, there are tons of things cooler than smoking weed and using these drugs shows how cowardly you are to face your problems. 586322162[/snapback] That's funny! Have you lived your life and done nothing that was remotely harmful? I dought it. And to say it's cowardly in the face of your problems is just.... well illogical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 What it comes down to, is our own right to do whatever the **** we want to our OWN bodies. Nothing gives anyone else the right to make that decision unless it is directly causing harm to someone else! Simple as that. :crazy:I shouldn't have to worrie about being put in jail for being fined for something I enjoy! 586321906[/snapback] However, when society is affected then it is everyone's problem. Productivity is predicted to fall considerably, costing the economy tens to hundreds of billions a year. Whilst it might be nice to think that we should be able to do what we want you have to understand the repercussions - it is selfish to just put yourself first over society. It also seems counter-productive - they have already banned cigarette advertising and tax is increasing all the time; public areas are starting to ban smoking and many public restaurants and bars are voluntarily imposing bans (with compulsory bans inevitable). It is clear that society is becoming less tolerant of smoking, so why should the government work against it by legalising pot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Flex Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 However, when society is affected then it is everyone's problem. Productivity is predicted to fall considerably, costing the economy tens to hundreds of billions a year. Whilst it might be nice to think that we should be able to do what we want you have to understand the repercussions - it is selfish to just put yourself first over society.It also seems counter-productive - they have already banned cigarette advertising and tax is increasing all the time; public areas are starting to ban smoking and many public restaurants and bars are voluntarily imposing bans (with compulsory bans inevitable). It is clear that society is becoming less tolerant of smoking, so why should the government work against it by legalising pot? 586322240[/snapback] Well put! As I have said already, although it may appear that it is a personal choice, it affects society itself. To use my native Vancouver as a strong example, marijuana has created a terrible homeless problem. That's where it all begins, if you were to ask many of them. Marijuana is just a beginning, and I don't trust everyone to say, "Oh, I'll only use marijuana." That is just hope, often a hope too difficult to achieve. Harder drugs are often to follow, especially crystal meth. Under that topic, the legalization of marijuana may creating a burgeoning environment for crystal meth. Crystal meth will have more room to expand under organized criminal control. Cigarette smokers often feel abused under new laws banning their public use, but they affect everyone when they fill up the health care system. The same will occur with marijuana users. Sure, what you do to your body is fine as long as your body doesn't affect the public. And again, I don't trust everyone to use it in limited amounts, mostly because of a lack of self control and the fact of addiction. Cigarettes smokers have caused our health system enough problems; let's not continue that trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilos Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Well then, in the interest of protecting the public, we also need to ban alcohol, and, mcdonalds and other fast food places (eat it for a month straight, you'll be one sickly person, and will cost other tax payers ****loads in tax money from medical bills). "it is selfish to just put yourself first over society" Isn't that what your doing? Supporting the laws that put us away in prisons, and giving us huge fines? Causing some of us to lose our jobs, and become one of those bums? I smoke pot, work a full time job, and pay taxes. Anything else is nobodies ****in' business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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