sanctified Veteran Posted July 30, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 30, 2005 Raum: Seriously, the day you have a parent who is totally screwed because pot and who almost destroyed his loved ones because his pot addiction please, come here and tell me pot is that wonderful :crazy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshuggah Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 (edited) Alcoholic drinks is actually healthy if you drink in the proper proportions. One beer a day provides a vast amount of antioxidants and that helps to keep the arteries elasticity. Marijuana or other drugs like lsd, crack/cocain etc. are damaging no matter how much you consume.Not only that but you can only drink alcoholic drinks within a building like a bar. It's illegal to drink on the streets. Legal pot? People would be in the streets stoned as hell it would be annoying. It's not fair to compare alcohol to pot because the outcome of legal pot would be very different from alcohol. 586299118[/snapback] please dont compare weed to lsd and crack or cocaine. EVERYTHING YOU DO IS DAMAGING. WE ARE NOT IMMORTAL! Chocolate is bad for you, microwaves are bad for you, cellphones are bad for you, caffeine(cocaine) is bad for you. Anything you consume in excess is bad for you. Prescription drugs like xanex are not only extremely bad for you, they are extremely addicting, more addicting than pot could ever be. Why are these kind of drugs legal? People CAN NOT drive under the influence of xanex, yet people do it. I'd rahter have a bunch of stoners than a bunch of addicted xanex people. Then we have morphine, valium, prozac. All of these drugs effect your brain negatively and can get you 'under the influence.' How do you know people would be on the streets stoned as hell? The outcome of legal pot would bring benefits to many people that don't want to use prescription drugs. You're always going to have people that take things to the extreme, but if you only look at those people and base your opinions on those extremists (al-queida, extreme christians that are anti-homosexual) then nothing will ever get solved. You are ALWAYS going to have those people, but it is not a valid reason to ban something. I know plenty of alcoholics. My dad knows quite a bit of lawyers that start drinking at 8 in the morning before they have to do their work. Who cares if people are stoned around you? It's not like they are going to come up to you and ask you "hey man...you wanna get stoned with me?" Weed costs money, and why would I spend my money to share it with random people on the street? I don't smoke cigs, but the it's the same thing. You don't see a lot of people sharing their cigs with random people that come up to you asking for one. And if it annoys you...so what? I mean really, are you that egotistical that you beleive everyone in the world should follow your views? Just because you are against something, doesn't mean that I have to agree and that I have to watch myself. Personally, I just want weed to be legal so I don't have to be scared all the time. I'm sick of it. I'm not a terrorist, I don't fund terrorists, I don't run over children riding their bikes because I'm stoned, I don't try to put my smoke into other people, I don't try to get non-smokers to smoke, I don't turn into a maniac and threaten to kill people. I do nothing of what the government/media say that potheads do. Do people do that? Yes, but again, that doesn't mean it should be banned. Someone else said they don't want their children around it. I totally understand that, but do you honestly think if your child wanted pot that they couldn't get it? So many children is school now publically talk about it. I understand you want to hide them from it, and honestly, I agree. But nowadays, the drug talk is just as much important as the sex talk. Don't lie to your kids about the effects of drugs. Don't tell your child is a gate-way drug. Tell your children the truth. It's a natural drug that has been in medicinal uses for thousands of years. Tell your child you personally have a problem with it and you don't want it in your house. Tell your child that in the end it is up to him/her, and you will respect their decisions as it is their own life. DON'T DO THIS (it has happened in many cases i personally know about). 1. Do not kick your child out of your house of have him taken out of school because they started getting into drugs. It will only make the situation worse. Kick the kid out of the house and they may not ever get anywhere because they lacked the positive guidance they needed at that time. Rather than make them feel evil for their actions, tell them positive things to overcome the reason they went to drugs in the first place. 2. Do not lie to a child. Eventually they will find out the truth, and the moment they stop trusting you is the moment they will never believe anything you tell them. Children are not stupid and are not ignorant. Sometimes they may not know the difference between right or wrong, but this goes into the same argument. Right and wrong is not set in stone. It is all opinons. Lie to a child and they will lie to you for the rest of their lives. sanctified: everyone is different man. I'm sorry the experience you had was bad, but I know quite a few parents (not mine) that have actually benefitted from smoking pot through their childs life. The bond that some of these families have is amazing. They never argue and they seem to love each other far more than I could ever love my parents. Their bond is truly amazing and honestly, sometimes I'm jealous. Not every family is the same. Edited July 30, 2005 by Meshuggah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 That was a nice rant Meshuggah, but all I could make out was caffeine is bad so pot should be legal. It didn't really strike me as a compelling arguement for legalisation. :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshuggah Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 rant? it wasn't meant to be. I'm glad you were able to read one sentence out of everything I typed. See, it's also people like you that don't really care what I have to say. You're not going to listen either way. I hate people like that. But i guess your opinion is so much more valuable than mine..... the point is, you have legal drugs out in the market that really don't do anythign for you but damage you, and yet no one has a problem with that, yet you have a plant that is for some weird reason totally illegal. To me, it doesn't make sense at all. I've been on legal drugs at times (legally too) and i hated them. I could never function at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshuggah Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 You know man, honestly, it really does bother me that you of all people would take one sentence out of the whole thing i write and say that's the only thing you really got from it. let's take a quote from your own words... Lawsuits like this are literally unbelievable... people like this make me lose faith in humanity. To me, this is almost the same thing. GTA's recent ban is one of the things that you really have a problem with. To you, it is completly ridiculous and you don't understand how it's that bad of a thing. Well for me, pot is the same. I don't understand why most people can't just let me do what I want to do. I've never been arrested, I've never really done anything bad in my life. I try to stay away from what I consider negative influences as much as possible. I dunno man...it's just really bugging me that you of all people would pretty much say everything i said is worthless. I believe in choice and it sickens me to my stomach when people are so uptight about things, they will not let me be personally happy, so they can be happy. It is simply being selfish. Why can't both sides be happy? ::::your second post is much better....thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 the point is, you have legal drugs out in the market that really don't do anythign for you but damage you, and yet no one has a problem with that, yet you have a plant that is for some weird reason totally illegal. To me, it doesn't make sense at all. 586299455[/snapback] All you're doing is pointing out other problems with society, waving your hands about in the air and saying that pot should be legalised. I personally think today's pill popping society is ridiculous - have a headache... take nurofen; just had your heart broken from a relationship... take prozac; got kids that aren't well behaved... give them Ritalin. I point out those particular examples because I have witnessed them first hand with people I know. People don't care about the causes of their problems, they just want a pill to take so that they don't have to deal with it. I don't deny that there are benefits to legalising pot and an arguement should be put forward for that, but what I am saying is that it does no good just pointing out other things that are wrong (alcohol, prescription drugs, etc) as that is just shifting the blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhav Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 people that smoke cigarettes have already taken away our right to breathe clean air. legalising pot would just make it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUZLA+ Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 All threads like these do, is bring out the Mary Whitehouse's & the Bob Marley's to cause a flame war, Both have opinions both entitled to them. As for me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshuggah Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 people that smoke cigarettes have already taken away our right to breathe clean air. legalising pot would just make it worse. 586299529[/snapback] But you're assuming that if pot was legalized that people would be able to smoke anywhere. I'm sure it would be like the netherlands. You smoke in smoke shops. you can't smoke in public places, and you can smoke in your own house. Tell me, if my smoke can only be in places where people want the smoke in the first place, wha'ts wrong with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 GTA's recent ban is one of the things that you really have a problem with. To you, it is completly ridiculous and you don't understand how it's that bad of a thing. Well for me, pot is the same. 586299510[/snapback] Lawsuits like that are perfectly legal to start, whereas pot is illegal... so they are really different things, but I do appreciate where you are coming from. I dunno man...it's just really bugging me that you of all people would pretty much say everything i said is worthless. 586299510[/snapback] It's not like that at all. There are plenty of arguements for pot (legal pot is taxed, easier to regulate, less chance of dangerous chemicals mixed in, community clinics could be setup to help people with problems, etc) but I don't like poor/flawed arguements or making excuses. I don't mean to cut you down, I just want to debate about the actual points, not fringe issues or government policy over other issues (like prescriptions drugs or alcohol). Sorry if it sounded like I was having a go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshuggah Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Lawsuits like that are perfectly legal to start, whereas pot is illegal... so they are really different things, but I do appreciate where you are coming from.It's not like that at all. There are plenty of arguements for pot (legal pot is taxed, easier to regulate, less chance of dangerous chemicals mixed in, etc) but I don't like poor/flawed arguements or making excuses. I don't mean to cut you down, I just want to debate about the actual points, not fringe issues or government policy over other issues (like prescriptions drugs or alcohol). Sorry if it sounded like I was having a go... 586299544[/snapback] Yea, I see what you mean now. Appreciate it. It's just you know how many times this topic comes up in here and you're right. It is always the same arguments. I can see what you mean though. Two wrongs don't make a right, however, my 'arguments' aren't really talking about the degrading social aspects of our world. It's more about the hyprocrites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fkid Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 You're weak and pathetic if you need drugs or alcohol to enjoy life. I say nay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshuggah Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 And I say you're just as weak and pathetic if you need a cup of coffeee to wake up in the morning. All I need is a shower. (I rarely ever Wake and Bake) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted July 30, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 30, 2005 And I say you're just as weak and pathetic if you need a cup of coffeee to wake up in the morning. All I need is a shower. (I rarely ever Wake and Bake) 586299560[/snapback] I dont do coffee(anymore), nor I smoke and I never drink, I dont use drugs nor I plan to, and I am against this? What I am? :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbleph1$h Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Ugh. Hasn't this been done like... a million times? https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=315702 https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=252379 https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=197484 https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=17000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshuggah Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I dont do coffee(anymore), nor I smoke and I never drink, I dont use drugs nor I plan to, and I am against this?? What I am??:huh:h: 586299572[/snapback] A person I respect. I'm not saying that you're not entitled to your opinion and your right as a human to be against it, but what I am against is the two-sidedness. You however have never really shown that. RP: yes, it has. It's a heated topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fevoldj2 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Okay so it's used for medicinal purposes. Do you take overdoses of tylonol and aspirin, drink cough syrup too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigMack Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Its the same as alcohol but it doesnt make you mad. Alcohol is a depressant and it ****es people off. Ive never had a problem with it, it makes people slightly lazier but thats about it for long term effects. I bet a lot of people who voted no and said they smoked before never smoked before and want to drive their point home. I drive like 200x better when im high than drunk. Ughhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seethru Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 You're weak and pathetic if you need drugs or alcohol to enjoy life. I say nay! 586299555[/snapback] you obviously didn't read the entire thread, as people have stated time and again they don't RELY on pot to enjoy life. Ignorance is bliss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circaflex Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Estimated U.S. deaths in 2000 attributed to: Tobacco (Average 1990 - 94): ................................. 430,700 (1) Alcohol (1996): ................................................. 110,640 (2) Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs (1982 / 1998): .. 32,000 (3) Suicide (1998): .................................................. 30,575 (4) Homicide (1998): ............................................... 18,272 (5) All licit and illicit drug-induced deaths (1998): ............. 16,926 (6) Non-Steroidal Anti- Inflammatory Drugs (1992):............ 7,600 (7) Marijuana: ...................................................... 0 (8) Yes i smoke, not to a large extent, but i do it. Yet im going to college in the fall (Cal State Fullerton), have had a 3.8 gpa since 2003, graduated highschool, and work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fevoldj2 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 How about you don't do any drugs. Please nobody be a smartass about it either. You know what kind of drugs I'm talking about. Look if they didnt' affect you they would NOT be illegal. Don't be stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fevoldj2 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html That's just a quick thing I found on google. I'm sure they're lieing just to make you feel bad though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted July 30, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 30, 2005 A person I respect. I'm not saying that you're not entitled to your opinion and your right as a human to be against it, but what I am against is the two-sidedness. You however have never really shown that.RP: yes, it has. It's a heated topic. 586299586[/snapback] I just hold my possition because I indeed have seen lifes destroyed because just pot (believe me, just pot). My father was an addict, for example so I have experienced almost directly that situation. I am not saying that every pot consumer its like him, he was just an special case, but I cant but wonder how many are like him that are going to get their weed legally and then do what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jgrodri Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 well, having had both.. (pot and alcohol) i can easily say that 5 shots of ani liquor will make you a lot less yourself than smoking 2 joints... it is something that people who have never tried it just won't understand.... now, let's look at the facts: Holland, where pot is TOLERATED (not legal) has one of the lowest crime rates in europe... controlling pot comsumption is a lot smarter: people can only buy pot from certified places, and it is government-supplied, this means that smoking pot is ok, but if you sell it, it is illegal, also it has much harder punishments for use of hard drugs, and if you've ever been to holland, you'll see that except for a few wackos here and there it is an awesome country... So, let go for a seconf of the imposed idea that drugs are the devil.... and think of it and you will realize that it COULD be legalized... thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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