stgeorge Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I backed up my RAID, broke it into separate drives, and finally installed Vista. It took over 2 hours (Microsoft is on crack if they think this is a better way to install). XP takes 20 minutes. Anyway, I was shocked to see that Microsoft is not supporting 6x and 7x Nvidia cards. That's about 45% of the entire graphics market right there. Sheesh, anyway, I downloaded drivers from Nvidia and turned on Aero Glass. I thought that Microsoft said you'd never see any more tearing? Guess what, within minutes (when a program locked up), I was able to tear up the entire screen and show pieces of windows all over the place. Another time I dragged a window, and a piece of the background dragged instead of the window. I guess that's a bug, but I don't think Microsoft can ever get rid of the sloppy window tearing, it's just a fundamental way of how Windows (every siingle version) works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlydread Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 OMG A version of Windows still in the First beta that you most likely got illegally since your so willing to post on here instead of send a Beta Bug report to MS.. DOWN WITH WINDOWS! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hais Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 i've seen tearing too and some other interesting bugs in the gui, but hey its beta 1 and things are only going to get better, just enjoy the experience for now and complain when its released :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y_notm Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I've seen some glitches with the DWM but no actual tearing. All the drivers are in beta, as is the compositor itself, so its not unbelievable. Microsoft wants to get rid of any tearing whatsoever, so file a bug report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy1 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 file a bug report586299416[/snapback] Only official testers can do that. For some reason, I get the feeling he's not... :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stgeorge Posted July 30, 2005 Author Share Posted July 30, 2005 Since very few people have the technical capability to understand what a beta is and isn't, let me inform you. Betas are too late to file bugs that most people care about. Microsoft just wants to know if what is there WORKS, because what is there is most likely to be in the final. Something like "fix tearing" requires a fundamental change in how Windows works in order to eliminate this problem. If Microsoft actually implemented this fundamental change (which requires a total rewrite of the graphics and windows subsytem, which they claim they've done), then you would expect to see NEW types of bugs and errors, that you never saw with XP and prior (since obviously, those operating systems used the fundamental method of graphical window construction that manifests tearing when the system is not responding). Since I and others still see tearing, this must mean that Vista is behaving like prior Windows, which begs the question. what happened to the rewrite of the graphics subsystem? By the way, the window deformation effects you see are possible with Windows Blinds in XP, so I suspect Microsoft just implemented a patch on top of the previous windowing system to get graphical effects to avoid serious backwards compatibility problems. I bet you will see graphical tearing in the final version of Vista, you can bet on it because Microsoft cares more about backwards compatibility then fundamental changes to Windows to enable new features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolph Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Since very few people have the technical capability to understand what a beta is and isn't, let me inform you. Betas are too late to file bugs that most people care about. Microsoft just wants to know if what is there WORKS, because what is there is most likely to be in the final. Something like "fix tearing" requires a fundamental change in how Windows works in order to eliminate this problem. If Microsoft actually implemented this fundamental change (which requires a total rewrite of the graphics and windows subsytem, which they claim they've done), then you would expect to see NEW types of bugs and errors, that you never saw with XP and prior (since obviously, those operating systems used the fundamental method of graphical window construction that manifests tearing when the system is not responding). Since I and others still see tearing, this must mean that Vista is behaving like prior Windows, which begs the question. what happened to the rewrite of the graphics subsystem? By the way, the window deformation effects you see are possible with Windows Blinds in XP, so I suspect Microsoft just implemented a patch on top of the previous windowing system to get graphical effects to avoid serious backwards compatibility problems. I bet you will see graphical tearing in the final version of Vista, you can bet on it because Microsoft cares more about backwards compatibility then fundamental changes to Windows to enable new features. 586299866[/snapback] Um...from what I read, the FULL graphics system isn't implemented. Just that, they got a base down, but its not 100% complete. I think you have to wait till Beta 2 for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigj Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Since very few people have the technical capability to understand what a beta is and isn't, let me inform you. Betas are too late to file bugs that most people care about. Microsoft just wants to know if what is there WORKS, because what is there is most likely to be in the final. Something like "fix tearing" requires a fundamental change in how Windows works in order to eliminate this problem. If Microsoft actually implemented this fundamental change (which requires a total rewrite of the graphics and windows subsytem, which they claim they've done), then you would expect to see NEW types of bugs and errors, that you never saw with XP and prior (since obviously, those operating systems used the fundamental method of graphical window construction that manifests tearing when the system is not responding). Since I and others still see tearing, this must mean that Vista is behaving like prior Windows, which begs the question. what happened to the rewrite of the graphics subsystem? By the way, the window deformation effects you see are possible with Windows Blinds in XP, so I suspect Microsoft just implemented a patch on top of the previous windowing system to get graphical effects to avoid serious backwards compatibility problems. I bet you will see graphical tearing in the final version of Vista, you can bet on it because Microsoft cares more about backwards compatibility then fundamental changes to Windows to enable new features. 586299866[/snapback] Stop bashing MS and go away. This beta is nowhere NEAR the final product, the RTM for VI has been pushed to x-mas 2006. What do you think MS is doing besides trying to fix bugs like the one you are talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy1 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 What do you think MS is doing besides trying to fix bugs like the one you are talking about?586299976[/snapback] Absolutely nothing. They're pushing the OS back for sh*ts and giggles. Vista is nothing but XP SP3 ME SE, LOL!!!!!!111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGx89 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Beta 2 is when the real consumer stuff will appear (including the 3d-based, tear-free desktop environment). And, at least in my MSDN copy, the bug reporting tool has an option to anonymously file a bug report; wouldn't people using "unofficial" copies of Vista be able to use that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambooo Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Absolutely nothing.? They're pushing the OS back for sh*ts and giggles.? Vista is nothing but XP SP3 ME SE, LOL!!!!!!111 586300015[/snapback] LOL:laugh:h: More like "Microsoft Windows XP SP3.5 ME SE NT BETA Home-Pro workstation edition server [Formally codename Longhorn]" Now beat that:cool:l: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acezo Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Since very few people have the technical capability to understand what a beta is and isn't, let me inform you. Betas are too late to file bugs that most people care about. Microsoft just wants to know if what is there WORKS, because what is there is most likely to be in the final. 586299866[/snapback] You obviously don't know about previous Windows' beta versions, because Beta 1 of XP looked like 2000 with a different start menu and menu's having different layouts. We won't see what the final will be like until we see a Release Candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy1 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 the bug reporting tool has an option to anonymously file a bug report; wouldn't people using "unofficial" copies of Vista be able to use that?586300033[/snapback] Does it still ask for a Passport if you use that option? If not, then I guess they could use it. Microsoft probably realizes that their betas are going to get pirated like anything else, so I guess that option would be there for the pirates. I can't think of any reason why a legitimate tester would want to file an anonymous report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGx89 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 I tried it, and no, it doesn't ask for a Passport; that's very smart of Microsoft, allowing illegitimate testers to file bug reports :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiiragi Tsukasa Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 I never really got why people get so upset over tearing. At least it's better than XP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted July 31, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 31, 2005 Since very few people have the technical capability to understand what a beta is and isn't, let me inform you. Betas are too late to file bugs that most people care about. Microsoft just wants to know if what is there WORKS, because what is there is most likely to be in the final. 586299866[/snapback] You don't know a lot about this particular beta then. It's been said for weeks now that BETA 2 would be much more representative of where the final is heading. For all you know, it could be a bug in the nvidia drivers. Beta drivers on an early beta OS, you're going to see bugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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