bronevaya Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I am fortunte enough to have a performance desktop and laptop (both have dx9 cards, lots of memory, blah blah blah) so I went ahead and partitioned my laptop (an ibm thinkpad T42) and installed vista. As a daily os its pretty stable, as in Ive never bsod or crashed. The trouble I do have with it is trying to run some xp/9x software on it like virus scanner and ibm utilities. I have found a balance between what I need and what I want. Its very easy to run all my programs off of my C: partition (where xp is) and I just made a start menu folder linking to the programs I use (opera, battlefield 2, steam, etc). Ocassonallyy it will start acting stupid when visiting the control pannel, as in it will start acting slow, but for the most part those are short lived problem. Adaware scans the os like a champ and peerguardian keeps the malware out (or in :D) I had aero glass running smooth with the ati beta drivers but I couldnt change the resolution past 800x600 so I just used the cat 5.7 so that I could run in my native 1400x1050. If anyone has a solution to my resolution troubles please tell me :D my conclusion is that if you can find that balance between what you want and what you need you might be able to pull vista beta 1 as a full time os. Game performance is awsome and going from desktop to game to desktop is very quick. Out of the games ive tried bf2 has the most noticable improvement, I would dare say a 40% increase in performance. I hope this helps anyone on the fence as to if they want to install it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xav Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I am fortunte enough to have a performance desktop and laptop (both have dx9 cards, lots of memory, blah blah blah) so I went ahead and partitioned my laptop (an ibm thinkpad T42) and installed vista. As a daily os its pretty stable, as in Ive never bsod or crashed. The trouble I do have with it is trying to run some xp/9x software on it like virus scanner and ibm utilities. I have found a balance between what I need and what I want. Its very easy to run all my programs off of my C: partition (where xp is) and I just made a start menu folder linking to the programs I use (opera, battlefield 2, steam, etc). Ocassonallyy it will start acting stupid when visiting the control pannel, as in it will start acting slow, but for the most part those are short lived problem. Adaware scans the os like a champ and peerguardian keeps the malware out (or in :D) I had aero glass running smooth with the ati beta drivers but I couldnt change the resolution past 800x600 so I just used the cat 5.7 so that I could run in my native 1400x1050. If anyone has a solution to my resolution troubles please tell me :D my conclusion is that if you can find that balance between what you want and what you need you might be able to pull vista beta 1 as a full time os. Game performance is awsome and going from desktop to game to desktop is very quick. Out of the games ive tried bf2 has the most noticable improvement, I would dare say a 40% increase in performance. I hope this helps anyone on the fence as to if they want to install it or not 586299850[/snapback] Sounds like your XP install is full of crud, the manufacturers themselves (ATI and NVIDIA) are currently claiming no more than 50% of the performance seen in XP due to all the debug data left in the Vista LDDM driver candidates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micro Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 heh, i have ran Vista beta for about 40 hours now, i can say this is extremely unstable and could not be used as a main os, it might be fine right out of the iso but, once you install any applications the $hit will hit the fan, at one point i could not open a folder because windows explorer stopped working, then after than iexplorer would stop working and i wasnt even running it, it has some memory leaks that are not addressed yet so i feel that using this as a main os is out of the question. im not bashing it, yes it is stable, i could play hl2 and CSS fine with no problems, i couldnt say that for windows whistler, but its way to early yet, i dont even think beta 2 will be stable enough to run as main os.. adding all the aero effects has givin few more bugs into the os and i think will be tapped out soon. specs Athlon 3800 @ 2.6 ghz 1024 mb ram ati x800xl' Edit for all those whom say there is a performance increase in games, your full of poo.. windows vista has nothing to increase game performance, maybe in 3dmark but i see no increase in performance with my gaming experences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unreal.keith Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Yea I agree this is a really good beta, and BF2 performance is very good. I would also say that BF2 runs really fast, but I'm not willing to comment on an improvement if there was one, since I've got it running over 80fps, so I need to crank up the graphics a little more. I also have that resolution prob :( I can't run my native LCD res of 1680x1050 on my desktop with these nVidia Vista drivers... thats like the only thing I can complain about. I've only had 1 BSOD when trying to change a resolution. And I find that 1 out of every 2 start ups freezes on the black 'Loading Longhorn' screen. Ok two things but they are minor :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronevaya Posted July 30, 2005 Author Share Posted July 30, 2005 Sounds like your XP install is full of crud, the manufacturers themselves (ATI and NVIDIA) are currently claiming no more than 50% of the performance seen in XP due to all the debug data left in the Vista LDDM driver candidates... 586299870[/snapback] but you see, I am not running the lddm drivers, I am running cat 5.7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolph Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 As seen in another post of mine, I ran Vista Beta 1 on a 3.4ghz machine with 1 gig of ram, and a x300se 128mb video card. The peformance was acceptable.....or sluggish. I could of course notice a difference between XP and Vista Beta 1. I even tweaked out Vista Beta 1 the maxium I can, and it still felt sluggish. I am not complaining, but I am just basing this on of what I experienced while running this Beta. I mean if you can't install a simple application like AIM, then you know something is definately wrong. Wtf, even the leaked Pre-Alpha/Alpha builds of Longhorn ran AIM fine. I feel having the sidebar there is a must, they was heading in a good direction and had to go and remove it do to a memory leak and other problems. Dual booting it on a seperate partition from XP, was smooth as all can be. I experienced only 1 BSOD out of using this Beta and it was from running AIM 5.2, and clicking the Talk feature lol. Browsing the internet felt really slow. A quick test @ testmy.net revealed a 600kb / sec speed, when I should be getting a 1mb / sec speed. Windows Firewall should be removed all together. It doesn't do nothing in XP, it won't do nothing in Vista. People should just buy a third party firewall instead. Window transitions were smooth. And that is pretty much it for now. Note: This is my opinion on what I think of Vista Beta 1, and the firewall built-in into it and of XP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1234567890 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 I was running it one an althon 1.1Ghz, 480mb ram, 9600se and it was quite sluggish, even with fancy graphics turned off. and they waaaaay over use the fading in/out effect. It makes me dizzy after a while. I hope these are changed in the final version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderRiver Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 jm1234567890, your CPU is too slow for Vista. Easy and Simple. I'd say you must have something at least above Pentium IV 2 Ghz, 512 Mb RAM, and a great graphics card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menge Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 ive been using Vista now for a day. i found it to be quite stable for daily use, with the exception of gaming. Doom3 went haywire on me. Quake 3 crashed after a bit... for other stuff, its quite nice! i love the DWM effects and all. just wish the theme was a bit better :) but overall, i like it lots! seems like i'll be migrating to Vista on Beta 2 :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeZuZz Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 I'm not using Vista as my main OS because of: - Working drivers for Soundblaster Audigy 2 Value not available - Proper driver for Nvidia 6600GT available (the LDDM drivers does not work in games/fullscreen, whole screen flickers) When working drivers gets available it's all Vista :) unreal.keith: If you use the nvidia drivers, you can just fix a ini file to get 1680x1050. I have two monitors running at 1680x1050 - use the search function in the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG55 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Seems much faster than a comparable (fresh install) XP, to me. Maybe its just my machine. Theres various speed increases with Vista, such as when logging on to a different user/switching user, as soon as I hit enter it'll be in there in a about 2 seconds. Not to mention the start up, thats surely faster than XP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilgore Trout Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 like any OS it needs tweaking, there's a pile of uneeded service running that could free up ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1234567890 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 jm1234567890, your CPU is too slow for Vista. Easy and Simple.I'd say you must have something at least above Pentium IV 2 Ghz, 512 Mb RAM, and a great graphics card. 586300194[/snapback] It was my spare computer. But, do most people have those kind of specs? I'm not sure but I hope for microsoft's sake people do upgrade. That said, my next computer will be an intel mac for sure. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintage_guitar Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 just disable the animations in DWM and you're all set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRTrials Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Ive been using vista on my pc (AMD 2400+ @ 2.2Ghz + 512mb Ram) now for 2 days now and im quite impressed. Ive managed to get all my hardware working fine mainly because of this forum. All ive got to do now is take it off this IDE drive and put it onto my SATA drive alongside xp. As for speed it seams to be improving a bit from when i first had it installed. So far i havent expereienced any proper crashes just a few patches of slowdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piyopath Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Well, i use a Sempron 2600+ (overclocked at 2ghz only lol) 512 ram, fx5200 128mb, i use vista as main os for fun, i like new stuff. and all i can say is.. it's perfect. no crash, no lag, no nothing. i don't use my computer to play indeed, (that's what xbox is made for) and didn't get any compatibility problem except with antivirus... so now i use "antivir" dunno about you guys, but this beta1 is stable and works fine... for a beta :) can't wait for beta2 & final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCheese Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 I've only used it for a couple of hours now, but it has some annoyign quirks and i wouldn't use it as a main OS. MSN Messenger 7.5 running in Vista is particularly ****ing me off now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malisk Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 (edited) Vista has been working fairly stable for me, although it's having way more BSOD's than XP. I had particular problems with Firefox, and also some occasional ones elsewhere, maybe tied to the nVidia drivers. I also got a BSOD when switching to a particular skin in WMP. It also has its fair share of hardware compatibility problems due to lack of stable drivers which is understandable, which also limits its use as a "daily" OS. Some modern games like Guild Wars seems to work flawlessly, so that's nice, but on the other hand the OS seem to destabilize as you actually start using it (installing a lot of your regular software and so on). With hardware luck and a minimal set of installs to it, I imagine it could work reasonably well. It seems quite fast and polished for being a beta OS, but I wouldn't say it's faster than XP as many have said. A clean XP install for me is very fast as well. The bootup/shutdown times seem to be on par with a clean XP at this moment. Overall I'd say MS have done a pretty good job at stabilizing a build for a beta release, but don't expect a higher quality from it than exactly an early beta release or you might get disappointed. I would never use it as a daily OS in this state. Beta 2 will be far more interesting as for that, although I wouldn't be surprised if it reaches enough quality for my demands only in the Release Candidate stages. Edited July 31, 2005 by Jugalator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null_ Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Works great for me as a main OS :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris e boy Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Ive been using Vista on a seperate partition since Thursday on my Machine: 2.6Ghz P4, 768MB Ram, Geforce FX 5200. The OS feels really snappy when DWM is disabled, unfortunately it slows down quite a bit when DWM is enabled although not to a unusable point, a little bit below XP's performance level. It seems quite stable, I have had no crashes and managed to get all my HW running with little problems (including my Audigy2). I find that the Minimize and Maximize buttons sometimes get confused whilst running in DWM mode, sometimes you will push minimize and instead the window will maximise. Also it sometimes takes three or four clicks to find the correct "hotspot" for the close button to work. International support is rubbish at the moment. I have tried setting my keyboard to UK layout etc and it is all replaced by American regions after a reboot. Firefox has some slight niggles. Sometimes it opens two windows on startup. MSN refuses to connect despite the fact that it works fine from my XP installation. Ive had no problems running Symantec corporate antivirus, Macromedia Fireworks, Emule, iTunes and Nero. The Winamp installer crashed halfway through although the app seems to work. Im still not too sure about the new explorer UI... it just doesnt seem as easy to use and logical as the old one and the smallest icon size is far too big. I do like the new "Pictures" folder though. The search seems ok. It doesnt work quite as well as Spotlight on my mac, but it seems to have the same sort of functionality, and im sure the interface will be improved on the final build, thank god theyve gotten rid of that stupid mutt! One more niggle (promise!) some shortcut keys have been altered to my annoyance. CTRL+TAB in IE no longer takes the cursor to the address bar, if anyone knows another shortcut to do this, let me know. Also, you cant press START -> P to access the program menu by keyboard or START -> R to run a program because of the inconvenient search bar in the start menu. Those are my feelings on this build so far. Im going to keep running this as my main OS for a few more weeks to see if i get used to the new way of working in explorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javizun Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 I was running it one an althon 1.1Ghz, 480mb ram, 9600se and it was quite sluggish, even with fancy graphics turned off. and they waaaaay over use the fading in/out effect. It makes me dizzy after a while. I hope these are changed in the final version. 586300102[/snapback] is not that serious come on you got dizzy by looking at the windows transitions? you must of went close/open crazy then opening all types of windows and programs how can you gey dizzy by looking at the effects? lol hahahahahha wow what a dork-next time make sure you open the windows with yout glasses on and far aay from the computer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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