AK vs M4A1

[_sphinx_]

Ok I know this is highly unlikely but bear with me here.....Assuming you were pinned down in combat in an urban area in a 3rd world country like Afghanistan where you will be engaged in indoor and outdoor combat, which primary assault rifle would you rely on?!

I personally prefer the AK cause it has a high rate of fire and doesn't get jammed a lot despite being quiet inaccurate and very loud (Can't be modded like the M4)

If this gun however was common, I'd use it any day

The AK-101 kit

And remember this is all hypothetical :p

[Nocstar]

this is a tough question because the ak packs more power does it not? but ill go with the m4a1 it looks so sexy!!

Counter terrorist win! :p

[_sphinx_]

this is a tough question because the ak packs more power does it not? but ill go with the m4a1 it looks so sexy!!

Counter terrorist win! :p

586303682[/snapback]

You play a lot of CSS right?!

The AK does actually pack a stronger punch

[Veedems Veteran]

I know a little (only) about both guns and the AK is much better suited for that environment. It jams much less, costs less, and the round size is much larger and deadlier.

[GhostShell]

I'm going with the AK47.

[Wizz]

What? No SA80A2 option? :D

It all depends on what situation you are looking at. If you are a small disorganised team facing a large opposition, take an AK cos it is inaccurate enough that it can keep the enemies head down long enough for you to escape. If you are a large hunter group, you want about 3 people with good accuracy weapons to every 1 person with a low accuracy, high fire rate weapon.

In British Army, IIRC (i'm silly ex-cadet person with probably rubbish knowledge) they tend to have 3 people with SA80 IWs and 1 person with a SA80 LSW for that reason.

[noir]

Probably the M4 because it's smaller and more lightweight.

[thecableguy]

M4a1................i feel like playing CS! :D

[Mx]

AK47 is great, but M4A1 I'd want, or Defender. The Defender is like the AK, but fires a lot faster, less accurate, but man I love that gun.

[Miuku.]

AK is inaccurate? Are you kidding me?

Let me guess, you've never actually even fired one, much less had military training with it. (Forced conscription here, we used AKs and Finnish refined equivalent Valmet RK75 and RK76.)

[_sphinx_]

What? No SA80A2 option? :D

It all depends on what situation you are looking at. If you are a small disorganised team facing a large opposition, take an AK cos it is inaccurate enough that it can keep the enemies head down long enough for you to escape. If you are a large hunter group, you want about 3 people with good accuracy weapons to every 1 person with a low accuracy, high fire rate weapon.

In British Army, IIRC (i'm silly ex-cadet person with probably rubbish knowledge) they tend to have 3 people with SA80 IWs and 1 person with a SA80 LSW for that reason.

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There are better scoped weapons that the sa80a2 you know...

[_sphinx_]

AK47 is great, but M4A1 I'd want, or Defender. The Defender is like the AK, but fires a lot faster, less accurate, but man I love that gun.

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Any defender is an accuracy disaster which renders it useless in assault

[Mike_Wilson]

m4a1 because its got a silencer, its more accurate and I own you all on cs with it

[TheTerminator]

In the environment u said Id definitly go with the AK since it pretty much never jams and with all that sand/dirt around the m4a1 would most definitly jam up sometime and thats when Id blow your brains out.

[icecaveman]

How can you even compare them? The m4 can be used in stealh operations, the AKs can't

[Wizz]

I told you my knowledge was rubbish. And a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.

There are many better rifles than the SA80A2. Don't get me wrong. That was a joke. However I do seem to remember somebody ran some comparison tests and it was more accurate than the M16, AK47, AN-94, G36 and the M4. It was also second in reliability only to the AK47.

I've only ever seen the AK47. Obviously was never allowed to use it but my understand was it was quite accurate in single-shot and burst but can't hit anything on full. Maybe I'm getting it mixed up with something else.

[blik]

I'd pick the AK... But if the Galil was an option i'd choose it over and above all... It 0wns...

[_sphinx_]

How can you even compare them? The m4 can be used in stealh operations, the AKs can't

586303801[/snapback]

They're both assault rifles and they're both used in combat....The M4 can be modded with a silencer and can be used for stealth ops but it still can be used in combat

[_sphinx_]

I'd pick the AK... But if the Galil was an option i'd choose it over and above all... It 0wns...

586303835[/snapback]

I'd rather blindfold myself and spray than use the IMI Galil-Sturmgewehr

[blik]

lol, it took me a long time to perfect using the Galil, it and the p90 are the only guns I use...

[Scudworth]

Id definitely go with the AK47, or the newer version, what is it, the...AK-94( coulda swore thats what it was called, but I can only find the AK74 online...)...I think....they were showing it on the history channel the one day, the barrel is dampered to minimized barrel climb, and one squeeze on the trigger can send three rounds to pretty much the same hole, the last round leaving the barrel before the first has even struck.

There was also a comparison of the Vietnam era M-16, and the Vietnam era AK-47, I cant remember all the particulars, but the AK-47 could punch through trees with enough energy left over to go through your skull. The M-16 round would bounce off.

It was funny to watch the AK-47 being fired in slow motion though, all the parts shaking and shifting, the barrel even warped a bit.

Edited August 1, 2005 by Scudworth

[kl33per]

This is brilliant.

You guys are comparing these weapons based on your experience of using them in a video game. Most of you have not fired these weapons, nor do you know the actual statistics on these guns.

[Jonny_C]

Ak does not jam like m4,it is more weather proof,uses a variety of ammo,rugged,recoils more but i would trust her alaways before the m4.

M4

Mission

Deter, and if necessary, compel adversaries by enabling individuals and small units to engage targets with accurate, lethal, direct fire.

Entered Army Service

1997

Description and Specifications

A compact version of the M16A2 rifle, with a collapsible stock, a flat-top upper receiver accessory rail and a detachable handle/rear aperture site assembly. The M4 enables a soldier operating in close quarters to engage targets at extended range with accurate, lethal fire. It achieves more than 85 percent commonality with the M16A2 rifle and will replace all .45 caliber M3 submachine guns, selected M9 pistols, and M16 series rifles.

Caliber: 5.56 mm

Weight: 7.5 lbs (loaded weight with sling & one magazine)

Max effective range: 600 m (area target) 500 m (point target)

Manufacturer

Colt Manufacturing (Hartford, CT)

And now the ak and the countries that adopted it.

AK-47 assault rifle was developed in 1946 by Michail Kalashnikov - engineer of the Soviet Union. Kalashnikov's assault rifle is one of the best example of the basic individual infantry weapon for last 55 years and it is unsurpassed till nowadays. AK-47, with all it's modifications is used by more than 50 countries all over the world. It's construction became a base for a great number of copies, versions, and modifications, chambered for various calibers. However all of them work on the same principle, developed by Michail Kalashnikov.

AK-101 Assault Rifle

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This assault rifle features a 30-round magazine, plastic folding butt, mount on the receiver for night sights, plastic fore grip, handguard and pistol grip.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 5.56

Cartridge 5.56x45

Length, overal, mm 943

Length, folded, mm 700

Barrel Length, mm 415

Magazine capacity, rds 30

Sighting range, m 1000

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3400

Rate of fire, rds/min 600

AK-102 Small-Size Assault Rifle

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This assault rifle features a 30-round magazine, plastic folding butt, mount on the receiver for night sights, plastic fore grip, handguard and pistol grip.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 5.56

Cartridge 5.56x45

Length, overal, mm 824

Length, folded, mm 586

Barrel Length, mm 314

Magazine capacity, rds 30

Sighting range, m 500

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3000

Rate of fire, rds/min 600

AK-103 Assault Rifle

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This assault rifle features a 30-round magazine, plastic folding butt, mount for night sights, plastic fore grip, hand guard and pistol grip.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, overal, mm 943

Length, folded, mm 700

Barrel Length, mm 415

Magazine capacity, rds 30

Sighting range, m 1000

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3400

Rate of fire, rds/min 600

AK-104 Small-Size Assault Rifle

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This assault rifle features a 30-round magazine, plastic folding butt, mount on the receiver for night sights, plastic fore grip, handguard and pistol grip.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, overal, mm 824

Length, folded, mm 586

Barrel Length, mm 314

Magazine capacity, rds 30

Sighting range, m 500

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3000

Rate of fire, rds/min 600

AK-105 Small-Size Assault Rifle

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This assault rifle features a 30-round magazine, plastic folding butt, mount on the receiver for night sights, plastic fore grip, handguard and pistol grip.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 5.45

Cartridge 5.45x39

Length, overal, mm 824

Length, folded, mm 586

Barrel Length, mm 314

Magazine capacity, rds 30

Sighting range, m 500

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3000

Rate of fire, rds/min 600

Experimental Light Machine Gun No.3 (1955)

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This light machine gun was developed from the AK-47 light-weight assault rifle.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Sighting radius, mm 485

Length, overal, mm 1080

Barrel Length, mm 520

Magazine capacity, rds 75

Sighting range, m 1000

Weight w/empty magazine, g 5090

AK-47 light-weight assault rifle (Bulgaria)

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Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, overal, mm 875

Barrel Length, mm 415

Magazine capacity, rds 30

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3727

MISR Assault Rifle (EGYPT)

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This is the AKM replica.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Magazine capacity, rds 30

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3445

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All other characteristics are identical to those of AKM.

AMD-65 Assault Rifle (Hungary)

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This is a version intended for motorized infantry. It is developed from the AKM. The assault rifle features wooden butt and pistol grips.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, overal, mm 880

Barrel Length, mm 415

Magazine capacity, rds 30

Sighting range, m 1000

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3125

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AMD-65

This assault rifle is intended for airborne troops. It was developed from the AKM rifle.

Characteristics Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, overal, mm 847

Length, folded, mm 648

Barrel Length, mm 317

Sighting range, m 800

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3210

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AMD-65

The assault rifle features plastic butt and pistol grips. It boasts the performance of AKM.

MPi-KM Assault Rifle (GDR)

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This version is intended for motorizad infantry. It is developed from the AKM. The butt, fore grip and handguard made from wood. The pistol grip is made from plastic material.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, overal, mm 880

Barrel Length, mm 430

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3400

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MPi-KM

This version is intended for airborne troops. It is developed from the AKMS. The folding butt is metallic. The pistol grip, fore grip and handguard are made from plastic material.

Characteristics Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, overal, mm 895

Length, folded, mm 690

Barrel Length, mm 415

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3540

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MPi-KM

This version is intended for motorized infantry. It is developed from the AKM. The butt, hand grip and handguard are made from plastic material. It boasts the performance of AKM

M22 Assault Rifle (China)

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This assault rifle version is intended for motorized infantry. It was developed from the AK-47 light-weight assault rifle intended for export.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, overal, mm 872

Barrel Length, mm 415

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3870

56-1 Assault Rifle (China)

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This assault rifle version is intended for motorized infantry. It is outfitted with a folding undetachable bayonet. The 56-1 assault rifle was developed from the AKM as an export version. There is latin letters L and D on the selector lever.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, overal, mm 872

Barrel Length, mm 415

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3570

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56-1 Assault Rifle

This assault rifle is intended for airborne troops.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, overal, mm 880

Length, folded, mm 640

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3870

58 Assault Rifle (Korea, North)

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This assault rifle is developed from the AK-47 light-weight assault rifle.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, overal, mm 890

Barrel Length, mm 415

Magazine capacity, rds 30

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3445

AKM Assault Rifle (Cuba)

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Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3315

Kbk AK Assault Rifle (PMK Poland)

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This assault rifle is developed from the light-weight AK-47 assault rifle. It is intended for motorized infantry. The assault rifle is outfitted with a butt that features shaped metallic plates with slots to attach a rubber butt-plate during grenade launching.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, overal, mm 870

Barrel Length, mm 415

Magazine capacity, rds 30

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3845

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Kbk AKS (PKMS)

This assault rifle is intended for airborne troops. It was developed from the AKS-47.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, overal, mm 870

Length, folded, mm 640

Barrel Length, mm 415

Weight w/empty magazine, g 4300

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Kbk AK-PGN60 (PMK-PGN-60)

This assault rifle is developed from the light-weight AK-47 assault rifle version intended for motorized infantry. It is intended to fire bullets and hollow-charge fragmentation grenades. It is outfitted with a rubber butt-plate and small capacity magazine. There is no barrel attachment for grenade launching.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, w/attachment, mm 1075

Magazine capacity, rds 10

Sighting range, m 800

Weight , w/o grenades w/o rds, g 4695

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Sighting range for grenades, m 300

Length, mm:

w/hollow-charge antitank grenade

w/fragmentation antipersonnel grenade 1340

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Kbk AKM (PMKM) Assault Rifle (Poland)

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This assault rifle is intended for motorized infantry. It was developed from the AKM with a compensator.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3345

AK47S Self-Loading Carbine (USA)

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This carbine was developed from the AKM. The receiver features an engraved inscription "B_WEST TUCSON AZ AK47S 7,62 mm MADE IN USA".

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Sighting radius, mm 373

Length, overal, mm 865

Barrel Length, mm 415

Sighting range, m 800

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3275

M70.B1 Assault Rifle (Yugoslavia)

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This assault rifle is intended for motorized infantry. It is developed from the AKM assault rifle and differs from the latter in the availability of an additional sight during grenade launching against tanks and infantry.

A special attachment can be screwed on the barrel muzzle to launch grenades. When the last shot is fired the bolt is stopped in the extreme rearward position.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 7.62

Cartridge 7.62x39

Length, overal, mm 900

Barrel Length, mm 415

Magazine capacity, rds 30

Sighting range, m 1000

Weight w/empty magazine, g 4560

YugoImports ZASTAVA M80 & M80A

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The Zastava M80 and M80A automatic rifles belong to the family of automatic weapons (automatic rifles M80 and M80A, light machine guns M82 and M82A and submachine gun M85) designed on the basis of the cartridge 5.56 x 45 mm.

The weapons of this family use the same magazine and have the same main component parts. They are gas-operated weapons, provided with single and automatic fire. The M80 and M80A are modern weapons of high fire power and light weight.

The combat knife fitted to the rifle and it is used as a bayonet. In combination with the scabbard, it is used as scissors to cut wire obstacles, cables and the like. The toothed part of the blade can be used as a cutting saw. The handle and scabbard are insulated. The knife may be fitted to the rifle cal 7.62 x 39 mm M70 and any version utilizing the cartridge 7.62 x 39 mm and also to the rifle based on the cartridge 7.62 x 51 mm (NATO), rifles based on cartridge 5.56 mm and sniper rifle 7.92 mm M76.

Characteristics Caliber, mm 5.56

Cartridge 5.56x45

Length, overal, mm 985

Length, folded, mm 725

Barrel Length, mm 415

Magazine capacity, rds 30

Sighting range, m 1000

Weight w/empty magazine, g 3125

Muzzle velocity, m/s 915

Twist, mm 177.8

AN - 94 "Abakan"

Caliber 5.45 mm

Cartridge type 5.45 x 39 mm

Dimensions and weight

Total weight (with empty magazine) 3 850 g

Overall length 943 mm

Length with folded butt-stock 728 mm

Barrels length 405 mm

Fire characteristics

Bullets initial speed 960 m/s

Rate of fire 600, 1 800 rpm

Practical rate of fire 40 - 100 rpm

Magazine capacity 30 rounds

Sighting range 1 000 m

Range of effective fire 650 - 700 m

Kalashnikov's Assault Rifle

AK - 74

Caliber 5.45 x 39 mm

Dimensions and weight

Total weight (with loaded magazine) 3340 g

Total weight (with empty magazine) 3070 g

Overall length 1089 mm

Overall length with folded butt-stock (AKS-74 only) ~ 700 mm

Barrels length 415 mm

Fire characteristics

Bullets initial speed 900 m/s

Rate of fire 600 rpm

Practical rate of fire 40 - 100 rpm

Magazine capacity 30 cartridges

Sighting range 1000 m

Range of effective fire 500 m

AKS - 74U

Caliber 5.45 mm

Cartridge 5.45 x 39 mm

Dimensions and weight

Total weight (with loaded magazine) 3200 g

Total weight (with empty magazine) 2485 g

Overall length 730 mm

Length with folded butt-stock 490 mm

Barrels length 200 mm

Fire characteristics

Bullets initial speed 735 m/s

Rate of fire 700 rpm

Practical rate of fire 40 - 100 rpm

Magazine capacity 30, 45 cartridges

Sighting range 500 m

Range of effective fire 300 - 400 m

AK-100

http://www.enemyforces.com/firearms/ak100.htm

[Orange]

AK for sure..my fav gun of all time and one beast of a rifle. :D

[nvme]

i have an ar15 and an ak47 and they both 'kick' the same. the farthest ive ever fired them was 100yards and at that distance could still hit a milkjug size target no problem with either. that is of course shooting semiauto. people have this big missconception that ak's are really inaccurate but if you were in urban combat and only doing most of your shooting within 50yards, you wouldnt have a problem popping off human size targets in semi or full auto. me and a few friends go shooting every weekend and we each own ar15's and ak47's, and we all consistantly hit about the same size targets at the same range. the other missconception that m16's, m4's, etc jam easily isnt all that true. you do have to baby them and clean them after a while, but it isnt as if they just stop firing after 50 rounds or even 1000 rounds. someone above stated that ak's are better protected from the weather and that's why they dont jam isnt true. ak's have lots of places that mud and dirt can get into the gun. the big difference between the two guns and the reason you dont have to baby an ak and clean it all the time is that the ak's arnt built for precision. and when i say that, im not talking about the shooting accuracy of the gun, im talking about the accuracy of how the gun is put together. an ak is so loose on the inside that extra grime doesnt cause it to jam up as quick. an ak can jam and ive seen it happen but my point is that you have to clean guns or sooner or later they will fail. the big difference is that you dont have to clean an ak as often.

all said and done, if i was taking one into battle, i'd probly take the ar simply because it's lighter (much lighter).