Paul Thurrott calls for ie boycott


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I found this somewhat shocking.  I though PT was a huge MS booster to the point of being a zealot.

If I were eating cornflakes, I would have chocked on them.

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either way, he is GREATLY OVERESTIMATING his fame and influence.

STV

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Agree :yes:

99% of I.E users wouldn't even know who Paul Thurrott is.

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Yeah I know so people will continue to use IE

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This guy didn't think things through before he speak.

IE is hacked or modified by spyware and adwares because of hackers. If Firefox becomes the web standard, do we expect all hackers to lie down and find other things to do? No, it is most likely they will change their target to firefox instead. Then, if another browser comes out, he just blah blah: "X browser is more secure, firefox is another cancer of the web, just like IE".

Hence, there is no fact in his article, only personal opinion. Why not be straightforward: "I don't like IE, don't use it cause I don't feel right for you to be using it?"

Get a life!

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This guy didn't think things through before he speak.

  IE is hacked or modified by spyware and adwares because of hackers. If Firefox becomes the web standard, do we expect all hackers to lie down and find other things to do? No, it is most likely they will change their target to firefox instead. Then, if another browser comes out, he just blah blah: "X browser is more secure, firefox is another cancer of the web, just like IE".

  Hence, there is no fact in his article, only personal opinion. Why not be straightforward: "I don't like IE, don't use it cause I don't feel right for you to be using it?"

  Get a life!

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The web would be a MUCH better place though if FF was #1. It is at least generally standards compliant, so the web developers would have a much easier time of things and we would have a much more advanced web. IE has been holding the entire web back for years. I think most of us were hoping that they would finally fix it, and it appears all they are doing is applying a bandaid. They should just fix it already and follow the same standards as everyone else. If websites don't work with it, oh well. They will just have to fix them. If some apps don't work properly with it, oh well, they will just have to release a patch or a free upgrade of a compatible version. MS got us into this mess, and now it's up to them to get us out. You can't just hold back the entire web because they made s sloppy browser. It has to be fixed some time. Why not now? With all the resources and money they are throwing at Vista, why are they making the least advanced browser out there?

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Put succinctly, the company (MS) has gone its own way for so long and now has to support so many developers who use nonstandard Web technologies that it will be impossible to make IE Web-standards-compliant without breaking half the commercial Web sites on the planet. Furthermore, by halting all IE development for several years before reconstituting the IE team to create IE 7.0, Microsoft has set back Web development by an immeasurable amount of time.

Sums it up for me. This isn't about security, its about standards. MS could give a flying crap about them hence the reason for DEVELOPERS to boycott them. No one ****ing cares what browser the end user chooses if they could ALL render the same content correctly.

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As I spoke, if firefox is number one, it will generate the same problem IE is facing today: spyware, adware and other security problem. If firefox is secure, why do Mozilla keep upgrading firefox 1.0.1 then 1.02 and final 1.06? There is an article on www.PCworld.com explaining Mozilla upgrades firefox from 1.0.4 to 1.0.5 because of security holes. And if you read on mozilla homepage, they plan to use security patch feature of Microsoft on the future firefox replacement: Deer Park.

http://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index...pha-2-released/

Mozilla is going microsoft's direction. Isn't firefox going to use "band-aid" in the future?

About the "sloppy browser" which "hold back the entire web", it is only your opinion anyways. Can you provide some proof that IE hold back web development?

I am also not saying firefox is bad. I use it alternatively with IE. Both are good to keep on a machine anyways.

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Go for it then Developers. the only person who will lose is you (unless by developer you mean a person with a hompage.)

Lets put it this way. who's going to use your skills etc if you're going to ostracise 90% of potential clients for them? Use your little buggy brains.

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I've been boycotting it for years already, so no biggie here. I happen to agree with him...

And if you don't boycott them now, it will keep continuing. You can say that because blank% of the people use IE blah blah blah... but there wouldnt be such a high percent if websites would not work in IE because of its lack of standards or what have you.

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This shows that he is not the expert he claims to be.  Firefox has had major holes, and issues, and they are not getting addressed, and some of the holes were years old, (pre dating firefox, back to it's roots). 

There are issues with all browsers, and they are slowly being fixed.

I say Boycott Paul Thurott.

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People have to stop bashing Internet Explorer. I have been using IE for years and my PCs have NEVER gotten unwanted spyware/adware installed, hacked into or crashed randomly because of IE glitches. Not to mention IE is the fastest browser for Windows - hands down!

I'm sorry to go this far, but Firefox/Mozilla is for people who don't know how to use computers correctly.

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Boycott IE. That was already done when firefox came out. If MS is as smart as they think they are they will improve IE before everyone swithches to firefox.

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People have to stop bashing Internet Explorer. I have been using IE for years and my PCs have NEVER gotten unwanted spyware/adware installed, hacked into or crashed randomly because of IE glitches. Not to mention IE is the fastest browser for Windows - hands down!

I'm sorry to go this far, but Firefox/Mozilla is for people who don't know how to use computers correctly.

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That's the most ridiculous post I've read in quite a while. You claim your superior knowledge of computers stops IE from being exploited? Nice.

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Instead of boycotting why not help the problems with the browser and work with them instead of against them?

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because that would make to muct sense. And we know that we cant have that going on.

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People have to stop bashing Internet Explorer. I have been using IE for years and my PCs have NEVER gotten unwanted spyware/adware installed, hacked into or crashed randomly because of IE glitches. Not to mention IE is the fastest browser for Windows - hands down!

I'm sorry to go this far, but Firefox/Mozilla is for people who don't know how to use computers correctly.

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agreed completely. I say that samething to people. I NEVER EVER ONCE have had ANY download or install that i dont want to. If you use IE and have problems its cause your an idiot and dont know that when you click popups that say, "Click here to see me stick a shampoo bottom in my a**." THen you deserve to have problems. Or just join the rest of the hippies and get a mac.

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People have to stop bashing Internet Explorer. I have been using IE for years and my PCs have NEVER gotten unwanted spyware/adware installed, hacked into or crashed randomly because of IE glitches. Not to mention IE is the fastest browser for Windows - hands down!

I'm sorry to go this far, but Firefox/Mozilla is for people who don't know how to use computers correctly.

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I'm sorry but that is one of the most fanboyish post I've seen in a while. Why should we stop being critical of a browser. It's just a piece of software for crying out loud. It does not have feelings to hurt.

Use the best tool for the job.

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agreed completely. I say that samething to people. I NEVER EVER ONCE have had ANY download or install that i dont want to. If you use IE and have problems its cause your an idiot and dont know that when you click popups that say, "Click here to see me stick a shampoo bottom in my a**." THen you deserve to have problems. Or just join the rest of the hippies and get a mac.

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I must admit i have installed the odd bit of spyware now and then. but man, she was HOT, i had to see the rest :blush: :laugh: :p

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That's the most ridiculous post I've read in quite a while.  You claim your superior knowledge of computers stops IE from being exploited?  Nice.

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Sort of. I hate when (not aimed at anyone here) computer illiterate people complain when they get adware and spyware. If one is going to use the internet, IE should suffice (if they prefer it to other browsers, everyone has a choice) and they should know what they are doing.

I'm sorry but that is one of the most fanboyish post I've seen in a while. Why should we stop being critical of a browser. It's just a piece of software for crying out loud. It does not have feelings to hurt.

Use the best tool for the job.

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Don't call me a fan-boy. I use Firefox and IE on my Windows computers to design sites that are compatible with both. I also use a Mac and don't have any Microsoft software on that one. I'm not trying to stand up for IE, I just can't stand the constant IE vs. everyone else battle. It's useless. Just use the software you feel more comfortable with.

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agreed completely. I say that samething to people. I NEVER EVER ONCE have had ANY download or install that i dont want to. If you use IE and have problems its cause your an idiot and dont know that when you click popups that say, "Click here to see me stick a shampoo bottom in my a**." THen you deserve to have problems. Or just join the rest of the hippies and get a mac.

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You're terribly naive. I can throw up a website in a few seconds that will run an exe on IE6 without a prompt of any sort. There are quite a few unpatched remote code execution exploits out there for IE6.

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You're terribly naive.  I can throw up a website in a few seconds that will run an exe on IE6 without a prompt of any sort.  There are quite a few unpatched remote code execution exploits out there for IE6.

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Could you do that and PM me the link please? I'm kida curious now. :ninja:

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Let's stick to the topic and hand and not start against each other.

It isn't so significant what PT said, it was more significant who said it (in my opinion that is what made it newsworthy).

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Some of you fanboys are really off topic. We AREN'T talking about how SECURE Internet Explorer is. We ARE talking about how STANDARDS COMPLIANT Internet Explorer is.

If you've never developed a website then you probably could care less about this, but there are alot of us that do develop websites, like myself, and we are fed up by Microsoft's attitude towards developers. The internet could have been a more rich environment today if Microsoft didn't drag their feet.

Ok, Firefox doesn't render ACID2 perfectly, but it does look very similar to the expected output and the Mozilla team is working on it.

On the other hand the ACID2 test on IE6/IE7 is completely fubar and the IE team has acknowledged that they aren't going to fix it. Only really major bugs. But this isn't good enough.

The IE team knows that by having IE7 be standards compliant that they would break ALOT of apps developed for nothing other than IE. That's why they aren't going to fix jack. That's why the boycott is necessary - To Wake People Up.

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These things almost always seem to degrade into fanboy wars. :(

Frankly, I think calling for a boycott is a stupid idea. Why? Because you are trying to stifle competition.

IE 6 ain't too bad. IE 7 may be a bit better. I would like the ability to have full Alpha transparency supported in IE, but if they don't add that feature I'm not going to stop using it with my Maxthon add-on. It's not a mission critical feature for me. Improved CSS support would be nice so you could ensure that web pages all look the same, but there are also work arounds for that. Pain in the tail, maybe, but it's being done and can be done still.

Sure I like Mozilla Suite and even Firefox (with Tabbrowsing extension of course) but am I supposed to Boycott IE when it is the only one that works with the web pages my banks use? Am I supposed to boycott IE and not take advantage of Windows Update? I don't bloody well think so.

Yes, publicly criticizing Microsoft for not following standards is ok. Pointing out that they could do a better job listening to customer input - fine. But frankly, promoting a boycott just seems silly.

By getting sites to boycott and not work with the IE browser engine, you are inviting MORE chaos and hassles, don't you think?

Microsoft is a dominant monopoly. The US government doesn't seem interested in doing much about it, so we may be stuck with it. But I think working within the system to change things is a more responsble approach.

It dawns on me that if it was Microsoft suggesting a boycott, perhaps of Firefox or Mozilla, people would be totally freaking out. But when the shoe is on the other foot they have no problem with it?

I'm not a Microsoft fanboy by any stretch of the imagination. But come on. A boycott? Bah.

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