thagame Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 i always find it funny that people think by posting people saying stupid stuff about something that we will all say oh wow cause he said it , it must be true. lets be sheep and do what he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmoth Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 This is just amazing, when Paul praises Microsoft everyone calls him a "Microsoft fanboy," a "Microsoft bitch," but when Paul acknowledges the truth, people go crazy and say he doesn't know what he's talking about. I just don't get some of you'll :no: IE just doesn't cut it and hasn't for a long, long time. I have given IE7 a go at it for almost a week now, which isn't a lot of time, plus it is after all beta, and Microsoft is making long strides on the security front, but there's more then just security. I haven't done a lot of web development, but what I have done; I have run into a lot of problems trying to make sure that IE works with the pages. There does need to be a boycott against IE, but unfortunately there's no way that would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 (edited) This is just amazing, when Paul praises Microsoft everyone calls him a "Microsoft fanboy," a "Microsoft bitch," but when Paul acknowledges the truth, people go crazy and say he doesn't know what he's talking about. I just don't get some of you I think it's just the nature of being a fanboy / fanatic. You take stuff out of a situation that suits your biases / position / agenda and use it to your advantage. They do it in Politics all the time. The same event can happen but two sides with two agendas can totally warp the telling so that neither one appears to be anything close to what resembles the actual truth. I guess it's human nature to twist the facts to fit your view instead of letting the facts form a view for you. :( IE just doesn't cut it and hasn't for a long, long time. I have given IE7 a go at it for almost a week now, which isn't a lot of time, plus it is after all beta, and Microsoft is making long strides on the security front, but there's more then just security. I think IE "cut's it" just fine. Lock it down, add-on Maxthon and you are good to go. Just like with Firefox you get the thing configured, grab some extensions and you are also good to go. I just about Hate many of Microsoft's corporate policies/stances/actions, but even I can admit that IE ain't the worst thing to happen to the planet. Almost all the pages I visit work fine with it, or seem to. It has that Trusted Zone thing, which is kinda cool. It has a lot of configuration options too. Maybe not as flexible as I would like, but hey, it can still get the job done. Yeah, it probably should have shipped from the get go with a default configuration that had some options turned off to make it less vulnerable, but the options are still there if you want to set them. Some say SP2 went a long way to fixing things with IE 6, others say IE 7 will help even more. I'm not sure, but it still seems that IE is a totally usable product, which is good considering it has over 80% of the market. Edited August 3, 2005 by Bearded Kirklander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thagame Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 viruses and spyware isnt about ms its about the intelligence of the user. i havent had a virus or spyware since 98se and i only use ie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmoth Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I think IE "cut's it" just fine. Lock it down, add-on Maxthon and you are good to go.Just like with Firefox you get the thing configured, grab some extensions and you are also good to go. I just about Hate many of Microsoft's corporate policies/stances/actions, but even I can admit that IE ain't the worst thing to happen to the planet. Almost all the pages I visit work fine with it, or seem to. It has that Trusted Zone thing, which is kinda cool. It has a lot of configuration options too. Maybe not as flexible as I would like, but hey, it can still get the job done. Yeah, it probably should have shipped from the get go with a default configuration that had some options turned off to make it less vulnerable, but the options are still there if you want to set them. Some say SP2 went a long way to fixing things with IE 6, others say IE 7 will help even more. I'm not sure, but it still seems that IE is a totally usable product, which is good considering it has over 80% of the market. 586316706[/snapback] Well I don't think that IE is the worst thing to happen to the planet, but Microsoft should never have stopped IE development. They got arrogant and now they're racing to catch up to other browsers, such as Firefox. I don't use extensions with Firefox, it works the way I want it "out of the box." I shouldn't have to add extensions to get IE work with standards that Microsoft should have been adding to IE from day one! Yes, Windows XP SP2 and Windows Server 2003 SP1 went a long way with security and with me, that was never a reason I switched to Firefox in the first place. I switched because of standards, why in the world create standards if they're not going to be used? Could you imagine the mess we would have if no one follows standards (in other words, rules). Technology would be so screwed up without standards :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 99% of I.E users wouldn't even know who Paul Thurrott is. 586314394[/snapback] :D Hahah true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdcase Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Yeah, but you can in some development packages choose the "target for IE browser" option and it auto-adjusts, right? 586315786[/snapback] I think the more appropriate question would be - Why should this even have to be the case?? they are called "standards" because they are designed to keep everyone headed in the same direction. Same principle as roadways, stop signs, etc. If Microsoft wants to play in the internet pool like everyone else, don't you think they should play nice and follow the "rules" that keep it all organized and cohesive? Or do you think its more important that they try to control it by modifying the rules to their own advantage? *sigh* never mind... :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmoth Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 they are called "standards" because they are designed to keep everyone headed in the same direction. Same principle as roadways, stop signs, etc. If Microsoft wants to play in the internet pool like everyone else, don't you think they should play nice and follow the "rules" that keep it all organized and cohesive? Or do you think its more important that they try to control it by modifying the rules to their own advantage? 586316756[/snapback] Exactly :yes: Definition by MSN Encarta: level of quality accepted as norm: a level of quality or excellence that is accepted as the norm or by which actual attainments are judged ( often used in the plural ) Microsoft should read that and follow it :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Well I don't think that IE is the worst thing to happen to the planet, but Microsoft should never have stopped IE development. They got arrogant and now they're racing to catch up to other browsers, such as Firefox. There's no denying that at all. I'm totally with ya. I don't use extensions with Firefox, it works the way I want it "out of the box." I shouldn't have to add extensions to get IE work with standards that Microsoft should have been adding to IE from day one! This I just can't relate to. There's nothing wrong with have an extensible architecture to help a product grow, is there? One of the very best things about Firefox is the extensions, imo. You can make the thing perform to fit your particular needs. Why not the same with IE and Maxthon? I switched because of standards, why in the world create standards if they're not going to be used? Could you imagine the mess we would have if no one follows standards (in other words, rules). Technology would be so screwed up without standards :wacko: Gee, you mean we'd have things like VHS and Beta? DVD-R and DVD+R? Blue-Ray and HD-DVD? PAL and NTSC? Unix and Linux and OS X and Windows? Like AM and FM? Like iTunes/ACC and Ogg and MP3 and WMA? Like 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p? Like DirectTV and DISH Network? Nope. Can't imagine that at all... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmoth Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 This I just can't relate to. There's nothing wrong with have an extensible architecture to help a product grow, is there? One of the very best things about Firefox is the extensions, imo. You can make the thing perform to fit your particular needs. Why not the same with IE and Maxthon? 586316803[/snapback] No, there isn't a problem with extensions, they are great and add awesome functionality, the problem is, standards should be there without needing extensions. Gee, you mean we'd have things like VHS and Beta? DVD-R and DVD+R? Blue-Ray and HD-DVD? PAL and NTSC? Unix and Linux and OS X and Windows? Like AM and FM? Like iTunes/ACC and Ogg and MP3 and WMA? Like 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p? Like DirectTV and DISH Network?Nope. Can't imagine that at all... :rolleyes: 586316803[/snapback] I might be wrong, but I don't think you got exactly the point I was making. Would we have wireless without standards? What would the internet be like without standards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUTZIFER Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 IE 7 rulez. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Max Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 :blink: Paul ? I thought he loved IE and Microsoft !? :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted August 3, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 3, 2005 He likes Microsoft's products, but doesn't mean he has to like all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 He likes Microsoft's products, but doesn't mean he has to like all of them. I find it easy to like many Microsoft Products while simultaneously despising Microsoft the corporation because of some of the things they do and some of the stances they take. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwod Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I always thought there wasn't much true IE fans out there.... may be i was wrong...... The point PT said was not only about security. It is about Standard as well. I suppose none of you are web developers? So you wont understand the pain to make hack just for IE to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I always thought there wasn't much true IE fans out there.... may be i was wrong......The point PT said was not only about security. It is about Standard as well. I suppose none of you are web developers? So you wont understand the pain to make hack just for IE to work. Not if you use Front Page. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BajiRav Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Well I don't think that IE is the worst thing to happen to the planet, but Microsoft should never have stopped IE development. They got arrogant and now they're racing to catch up to other browsers, such as Firefox. 586316742[/snapback] I don't think they actually stopped it, but tried to bundle its development with Longhorn. If you are a marketing guy you can't blame them since a product (Windows LH) needs compelling features (IE7) to sell. Heck even Apple is guilty of coupling Safari to OS X development cycles. Only thing is Apple is earning its yearly upgrade tax and Microsoft is lagging behind. Wonder how many mac sites will pick paul's article today :D those guys are having orgasm right now :laugh: at least till the next time paul reviews an apple product :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0z Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Paul hasn't got a clue what he's really complaining about in his article, he's not a programmer. Anyway, him going off on a tangent got him kicked off the Windows 98SE beta ages ago. Some things never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg098 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I was very shocked when I read this because Paul is meant to praise Microsoft, isnt it? But I'm glad he is having his say because Internet Explorer should be fixed. Internet Explorer 7.0 is tragic. I hate the tabs and the stupid features. If Microsoft honestly want to stop the viruses and spam that are going around on the net, they should help the people who do not have Windows XP. More people I know have Windows 98, then Windows XP and their computers get full with viruses because Microsoft arent willing to help them. Bill Gates says he wants to help reduce spam and viruses, yet he isnt helping the bigger market..only the market that can afford to have Windows XP SP2. Since I started to use Firefox, I have not gone back to Internet Explorer. Its slow and very unsecure. SP2 is meant to have many new features, but do they honestly work that well. I have been to websites and the websites have installed toolbars etc. and infected my computer with viruses, without any warning or nothing from Internet Explorer. That is very bad. I think that until Microsoft pick up their game, I will stick with Mozilla Firefox. I have told everyone I know to start using it because its just a lot safier and faster to use. Internet Explorer is cr.p!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Internet Explorer 7.0 is tragic. I hate the tabs and the stupid features. You don't like tabbed browsing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConfusedFusion Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I am pleased to report that, Paul Thurrott has finally gone nuts! :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0z Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I am pleased to report that, Paul Thurrott has finally gone nuts! :huh: 586317462[/snapback] Or he's on mighty powerful drugs. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 (edited) Paul hasn't got a clue what he's really complaining about in his article, he's not a programmer.Anyway, him going off on a tangent got him kicked off the Windows 98SE beta ages ago. Some things never change. 586317427[/snapback] At the same time I say that those who say that there's nothing wrong with IE when it comes to web standards, that they have no clue what they are talking about because they are not web developers. :pinch: According to you only programmers can complain. Well that's just ignorant and stupid. What about software feedbacks from beta testers and regular users, and I'm not even talking about web developers in case of IE. Everybody is entitled to their say in the progress. And if MS doesn't want listen it doesn't mean there's nothing wrong. Boycotting might be a little bit too much, in fact it wouldn't be achievable in any way, but hopefully it's a good sign for MS when someone of that degree as Paul speaks out for everybody. He is afterall well known among internet geeks and MS itself. Edited August 3, 2005 by Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg098 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 You don't like tabbed browsing? 586317452[/snapback] I like it, its just IE 7.0's one is ugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conformity_Inc Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 At the same time I say that those who say that there's nothing wrong with IE when it comes to web standards, that they have no clue what they are talking about because they are not web developers. :pinch: 586317884[/snapback] Taking into account FF doesn't fully comply with the web standards either must in turn render that browser pretty much crap too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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