Vykranth Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 It's yet another article from Paul Thurrott with an over-reaction and extra-news-flash words: boycott, cancer and yada yada. :rolleyes: First, I do think he is extremely over-evaluating his influence on MS, on the internet users and the grand scheme of things in general Second, he is one browser-war late: the boycott is already existing: that's all the users who used to have IE and now using FireFox, Opera or Maxthon Third, about Chris Wilson's post on the blog. OK, may be they are under pressure from senior management and they may not be able to re-write IE from scratch (which may be a good idea) so IE 7.0 will not pass the Acid2 test. As long as IE 7.0 is better than IE 6.0, it is fine with me. Ultimately, I'll install Firefox 1.5 and IE 7.0 on my machine and I'll decide which browser best fills my needs, not Paul Thurrott :happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exobot Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Taking into account FF doesn't fully comply with the web standards either must in turn render that browser pretty much crap too? 586317913[/snapback] It complies a hell of a lot more than IE does D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conformity_Inc Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 It complies a hell of a lot more than IE does D: 586318162[/snapback] What does that mean? either it does or it doesn't. there's no "nearly" when referring to standards..........Some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_demilord Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 No thanks, I prefer a stable,fast,secure,fexible,standard compliant browser. :woot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers nuff said :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegus Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I was a bit of a Firefox fanboy, loving the new features etc... tabbed browsing. But recently, i don't know what's gone wrong but it seems like quite a few serious bugs have crept in and have not been fixed. Unusually high memory usage, crashing, slow performance, ug... seems to have turned into an old version of Netscape Communicator or something. Then i got my invite to test Vista and IE 7. Under XP, IE7 didn't seem to fare too well, but under this clean install of Vista - all i can say is WOW! Super smooth, fast, clean feature set and highly usable. Can't wait till the final release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney T. Administrators Posted August 3, 2005 Administrators Share Posted August 3, 2005 No thanks, I prefer a stable,fast,secure,fexible,standard compliant browser. :woot:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers nuff said :whistle: 586318190[/snapback] Agreed. Look at the facts and decide for yourself. Barney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConfusedFusion Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 The million dollar question now is "Should we boycott Paul Thurrott, for making such ridiculous statements?" Should we burn an effigy or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmoth Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 The million dollar question now is "Should we boycott Paul Thurrott, for making such ridiculous statements?" Should we burn an effigy or something? 586318225[/snapback] Paul's entitled to his own opinion too, isn't he? :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 The million dollar question now is "Should we boycott Paul Thurrott, for making such ridiculous statements?" Should we burn an effigy or something? 586318225[/snapback] I vote we call for kicking him in the maracas for being such a dumbassed n00b :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radsqd Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 What the fudge is this...........dude seriously why the hell would you even start a thread like this. You seriously think that because paul retard said so people will stop using IE.......u have some serious disillusions abt this world. I suggest he should be locked in a room full of apple product..........I think it might help him understand the world better or make him crazy.........in anycase ppl will be better with one less retard :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Punk Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 IE Better get some proper CSS supprt with PHP and all that bizz. PHP is server side. It has absolutely nothing to do with browsers. Yeah, but you can in some development packages choose the "target for IE browser" option and it auto-adjusts, right? Alot of web developers don't use developement packages such as frontpage or dreamweaver simply because they are known for putting junk code in. Basically, they put un-needed code in that can/will affect page load times. Most professional web devs use a text based editor, such as notepad or crimson editor (notepad with syntax highlighting) etc. I've seen several people say now that Firefox and IE are equal as far as exploits. That is totally wrong. Keep your eye on a 0-day exploit site for a month. What will you see? I'll tell you the highlights of last month. I seen eight exploits that worked for IE6 patched up to date. I tested them all to verify they worked. I seen three exploits for Firefox. The catch is, the Firefox ones were all for 1.0.4, and they were all released AFTER 1.0.5 was released. Like I said. If you remember from the beta days of Firefox - there were no security bugs - at all, in firefox. Now look, more are being found? Why? Because as the browser is more popular, hackers are trying harder to look for exploits. Previously, when FF was a beta, hackers didn't waste their time looking for exploits in firefox because their hacks would only apply to a small percentage of internet users. Just because they didn't look for security holes, it doesn't mean they weren't there. People just didn't exploit those security holes because they didn't bother finding them. So give it time, as Firefox becomes more and more popular - it'll suffer the same fate (security wise) as IE did. IE6 used to be solid as a rock when it first came out. Now look at it. Guess we need to boycott all browsers then. There isn't a single available browser that is "standards compliant". As true as that is - alot more browsers are atleast trying to comply to the standards. IE just isn't making the effort. Sure, Firefox doesn't understand the odd thing in CSS or XHTML. But it generally gets the idea - it's only really the lesser used codes that Firefox/Opera/Safari/Konqueror will struggle with. IE can't even handle alot of the popular codes. holy jeez...thanks so much for that No problem :p as long as you weren't being sarcastic :p 99% of I.E users wouldn't even know who Paul Thurrott is. Very true. To be honest, this is the first I've heard of him. But from what I've read now, he seems to be a MS fanboy. Who is going against MS for this one thing. It takes alot to turn a fanboy ya know :p Internet Explorer 7.0 is tragic. I hate the tabs and the stupid features. Then don't use them. You can still open links in new windows and stuff. According to you only programmers can complain. Well that's just ignorant and stupid. What about software feedbacks from beta testers and regular users, and I'm not even talking about web developers in case of IE. Everybody is entitled to their say in the progress. And if MS doesn't want listen it doesn't mean there's nothing wrong. Regular users don't know how much of a pain in the ass IE really is. Because web devs are bending over backwards to mess up their code so the site works in IE. The end user doesn't have a clue - as far as their concerned, it works. If web devs ventured out of CSS 1 more, perhaps even as high as CSS 3 - IE end users would then have a product that doesn't work. It won't render websites correctly - then switch to a working product, thus pressuring Microsoft to do something a bit more constructive with their browser than adding a Phishing filter and tabbed browsing. If web devs followed the standards - IE would be either gone or MS would have made it work. Unfortunatly, web devs have to deviat from the standards (which they don't like doing - because it makes things unncessesarily complicated) so they aren't throwing away the majority of their website visits. Taking into account FF doesn't fully comply with the web standards either must in turn render that browser pretty much crap too? There is no browser that fully suppots all the web standards. But Firefox does it a damn sight better than IE does. It supports more of the web standards, IE is pretty much ignoring the webstandards. Like I said in my previous post. The only browser I've ever heard of (never tried it myself) that passes the Acid test is Konqueror. Hardly anyone uses Konqueror - it's open source - it's free - and it's better than IE. IE is made by a team of paid developers - and a freebie wipes the floor with it. Go figure that one out. What does that mean? either it does or it doesn't. there's no "nearly" when referring to standards..........Some people. Lets just stick with CSS for the moment, seeing as that is the main issue. There are 3 versions if you will of CSS. Each version has different features. There is 1, 2 and 3. 3 technically hasn't been released yet - but it's available. Lets say for arguments sake, IE only suppots CSS 1. That is, pretty basic CSS. You can make sites look pretty with it, but CSS 2 and CSS 3 gives you even more options to make the site look pretty. Firefox, suppots CSS1 and CSS 2. Therefore, it is following more of the web standards. If a website is using CSS 2 - Firefox will render it correctly, but IE won't. Sure IE will have a go - but most things will be aligned wrongly, they will be out of place and IE will generally make a horrible mess of it. Another thing, PNG alpha transparacy. Firefox will display a transparent PNG file over a coloured background OK. No problem. IE on the other hand will slightly change the colour of the transparent part of the PNG. Which is stupid because, transparent doesn't have a colour ;) Ok, my facts on that are a bit iffy. IE does indeed support slightly more than CSS 1. It supports some features from CSS 2 - and most from CSS 1. Firefox also supports most from CSS 1 but also supports most of CSS 2. Perhaps even CSS 3 - I'm not sure on that though. You seriously think that because paul retard said so people will stop using IE.......u have some serious disillusions abt this world. You have serious spelling problems. But that aside: Paul what-ever-his-name is, is a Microsoft fanboy. He likes Microsoft alot. It takes alot to change a fanboy's mind. Eg, try going to a Playstation forum and try and convince the members that an Xbox or Gamecube is better. It just isn't going to happen. So if a fanboy changes his/her mind. Something important would have done it. Edit: Ok, it seems quote tags don't work here like they do in every other forum in the world. I'm too lazy to fix it though, you get the idea. 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Slimy Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Edit: Ok, it seems quote tags don't work here like they do in every other forum in the world. I'm too lazy to fix it though, you get the idea. (how's that for standards eh?) 586319015[/snapback] the limit is ten per post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted August 3, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 3, 2005 I vote we call for kicking him in the maracas for being such a dumbassed n00b :rofl: 586318706[/snapback] :rofl: :pinch: Back on topic, whatever Paul says about boycotting just won't happen. Lets face it, more than 80% of PC users are content with IE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Back on topic, whatever Paul says about boycotting just won't happen. Lets face it, more than 80% of PC users are content with IE. Yeah, but if they knew about Maxthon, they'd be even happier. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted August 3, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 3, 2005 You may be right, but *many* people like IE for its simplicity and they rather not have what Maxthon offers, which they would consider bloat (this coming from experience speaking to computer newbies). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted August 3, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 3, 2005 It's ok, I didn't take it seriously. Unfortunately, people should be aware of alternatives, which the new Mozilla Corporation should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 You may be right, but *many* people like IE for its simplicity and they rather not have what Maxthon offers, which they would consider bloat (this coming from experience speaking to computer newbies). I was just joshin' :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 It's ok, I didn't take it seriously.? Unfortunately, people should be aware of alternatives, which the new Mozilla Corporation should do. One thing I do really like about IE is the Zone concept. I wish that Microsoft had by default locked down the Internet Zone and made it clear to people that if they wanted to enable all of the features/functions for a site, they could selectively place it in the Trusted Zone. Something along those lines would have helped, I think. But hind-sight is what it is. I do wish they would allow user-defineable zones. I'd like to have maybe one or two more with different permissions. But hey, I still use it. It works ok for me. Maxthon gives me the ad blocking, tabbed browsing and most of the other stuff I might want, just like Extensions do for Mozilla and Firefox. Options = Win Boycotts = Lose . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted August 4, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 4, 2005 Nicely stated, Kirklander. If they had changed their default zone to a more secure one right out of the box, it would've save them the trouble they have had patching everything. In my opinion, IE7 will be a step forward for IE, though we, as well as Microsoft, know that it will not comply 100% with standards. Nonetheless, their own affirmation that it will not fully comply is a good start for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrogle Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Give me a credible reason to use Firefox. 586314568[/snapback] you dont do html do you!!!? firefox fully supports pgn files and all of the css-stuff you can do - and you dont need to tweak everything to make it work with firefox oh and even when microsoft comes out and say that IE7 wont support these things right away - that just makes me angry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphillips59 Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Firefox is a pain, why can't they patch their product and not make you reinstall the whole stupid thing again... I am sorry but paul is high Firefox while good for browsing "questionable" sites at home they won't make much head way in the corporate world anytime soon. Internet Explorer has years of experince in the deployment and management (like zones) side that firefox hasn't really even delved into yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Punk Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 IE may have years of experience, but they're still getting it wrong. firefox fully supports pgn files and all of the css-stuff you can do - and you dont need to tweak everything to make it work with firefox Firefox doesn't fully support CSS. No browser made yet fully supports every element of CSS. Firefox just supports a hell of a lot more CSS than IE does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcv Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 you dont do html do you!!!?firefox fully supports pgn files and all of the css-stuff you can do - and you dont need to tweak everything to make it work with firefox oh and even when microsoft comes out and say that IE7 wont support these things right away - that just makes me angry 586325646[/snapback] Ah you'd be surprised what Firefox doesn't support. I've had to work around it quite a few times on this site I'm developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrogle Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Ah you'd be surprised what Firefox doesn't support. I've had to work around it quite a few times on this site I'm developing. 586325753[/snapback] indeed and i know... but its alot easier to get firefox to make a site look good/work then make a site work in ie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 indeed and i know... but its alot easier to get firefox to make a site look good/work then make a site work in ie Just use Front Page. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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