Scudworth Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Meat Eater for health reasons (humans need proteins that are only found in red meat and other types of animal meat). 586356950[/snapback] (Y) thankyou, I wanted to say something along those lines, but I couldnt think of a non-flame-bait way of putting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Dragon Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Meat Eater for health reasons (humans need proteins that are only found in red meat and other types of animal meat).It is actually bad for most people to just be a vegetarian ... vegan is even worse for you. I am just stating my opinion which is based on people who I know are vegetarians and vegans and are definitely under-nourished and scientific fact (it's good to have a fiancee who's major is nursing). 586356950[/snapback] I've heard that there are many beans that can substitute for the the protein normal people get from meat, so I do think it is possible to be a veg and at the same time live a very healthy and energetic life.I consider my self a omnivore, although I could live off potatatoes my entire life (I really really love potatoes), I just don't think I would be very healthy if I did. Also, for the animal loving vegs out there; animals die in nature all the time anyway, so I don't think it matters if we kill more ;). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuarterSwede Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 (edited) I'm not.? If I were, it'd just be for nutritional reasons.? I think animals are okay to kill in order to eat and survive, that's just how I believe our world and eco system was meant to work.? All with moderation of course, as I do not really carefor widespread slaughter of animals to bring a steak or chicken breast to my plate.? But, something many people forget, is when you drink orange juice, that was squeezed out of an orange, which could of grown into an orange tree.? Plants are living creatures as well, so that's somewhat like drinking something that cost a few baby pigs to create. 586357038[/snapback] Exactly. The thing they don't understand is that in order for our bodies to create energy we have to process (eat and digbiological matterr. I also don't agree with the widespread slaughter of animals (processing plants). If I had the money I like to think I would only shop at whole foods stores or natural food stores where they don't use preservatives or pump animals full of vitamins for processing. Also, the whole bean proteins thing is a myth. Those proteins humans needonlyy found in red meat. There are other types that are only found in meat period, as well. Edited August 10, 2005 by Jstphish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudworth Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Also, for the animal loving vegs out there; animals die in nature all the time anyway, so I don't think it matters if we kill more ;). 586357092[/snapback] Balance though, Nature runs on balance, if it gets upset, thats not so good. If we kill-off something that something else needs to survive, just because they are gonna 'die anyways' thats not very smart. not attacking your post, just commenting ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ateoto Posted August 10, 2005 Author Share Posted August 10, 2005 (edited) "Don?t vegetarians have difficulty getting enough protein?"In the West, our problem is that we get too much protein, not too little. Most Americans get about seven times as much protein as they need. You can get enough protein from whole wheat bread, oatmeal, beans, corn, peas, mushrooms, or broccoli?almost every food contains protein. Unless you eat a great deal of junk food, it's almost impossible to eat as many calories as we need for good health without getting enough protein. By contrast, too much protein is the major cause of osteoporosis and contributes to kidney failure and other diseases of affluence. "Don?t humans have to eat meat to stay healthy?" Both the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the American Dietetic Association have endorsed vegetarian diets. Studies have also shown that vegetarians have stronger immune systems than meat-eaters and that meat-eaters are almost twice as likely to die of heart disease, 60 percent more likely to die of cancer, and 30 percent more likely to die of other diseases. The consumption of meat and dairy products has been conclusively linked with diabetes, arthritis, osteoporosis, clogged arteries, obesity, asthma, and impotence. Source: http://www.goveg.com/feat/faq.asp see also http://www.goveg.com/feat/NaturalHumanDiet/healthy.asp However..... Vegetarians who eat no animal products need to be more aware of nutrient sources. Nutrients most likely to be lacking and some non-animal sources are: * vitamin B12--fortified soy beverages and cereals * vitamin D--fortified soy beverages and sunshine * calcium--tofu processed with calcium, broccoli, seeds, nuts, kale, bok choy, legumes (peas and beans), greens, lime-processed tortillas, and soy beverages, grain products, and orange juice enriched with calcium * iron--legumes, tofu, green leafy vegetables, dried fruit, whole grains, and iron-fortified cereals and breads, especially whole-wheat. (Absorption is improved by vitamin C, found in citrus fruits and juices, tomatoes, strawberries, broccoli, peppers, dark-green leafy vegetables, and potatoes with skins.) * zinc--whole grains (especially the germ and bran), whole-wheat bread, legumes, nuts, and tofu * protein--tofu and other soy-based products, legumes, seeds, nuts, grains, and vegetables Source: http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/895_vegdiet.html#varieties Edit: Just wanted to say, I had Tofu and Soy Cheese Ravioli for Lunch and it rocked my face off. Edited August 10, 2005 by Ateoto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Allen Veteran Posted August 10, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 10, 2005 Omnivore. My g'f is vegetarian...it sucks :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhav Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Vegetarian, which for me includes fish (even though it's not meat, strictly speaking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuarterSwede Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Source: http://www.goveg.com/feat/faq.aspsee also http://www.goveg.com/feat/NaturalHumanDiet/healthy.asp However..... Source: http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/895_vegdiet.html#varieties 586357179[/snapback] See the problem here is that Americans don't eat right in the first place so the studies don't really help. Also, studies can show anything the researches want them to. As I said before, my opinions are based on medical fact and more importantly on my observations of others who are vegetarians and vegans who follow the nutritional guides (most of them have resorted to eating chicken as well because they knew they were being undernourished and it showed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djmutik1013 Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 See the problem here is that Americans don't eat right in the first place so the studies don't really help. Also, studies can show anything the researches want them to. As I said before, my opinions are based on medical fact and more importantly on my observations of others who are vegetarians and vegans who follow the nutritional guides (most of them have resorted to eating chicken as well because they knew they were being undernourished). 586357219[/snapback] You are very Right that we americans on the average do not eat correctly. I see more people going to Fast Food Restaurants everyday here. I think that this is wrong. It makes us a fatter. Another problem we have is very large portions So I have made it my mission in Life to make the food better and the portion size smaller for people in my small little sphere of influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ateoto Posted August 10, 2005 Author Share Posted August 10, 2005 (edited) Wave,Aug 10 2005, 19:26]Omnivore. My g'f is vegetarian...it sucks :p 586357194[/snapback] Its tough living with someone that doesn't eat the same things you do. Luckily for me, I cook, my GF doesn't :D See the problem here is that Americans don't eat right in the first place so the studies don't really help. Also, studies can show anything the researches want them to. As I said before, my opinions are based on medical fact and more importantly on my observations of others who are vegetarians and vegans who follow the nutritional guides (most of them have resorted to eating chicken as well because they knew they were being undernourished). 586357219[/snapback] And I know many Vegans and Vegetarians (including myself) who are in good nutritional health and who do not eat meat to stay that way. I am by no means saying you aren't correct though. You just need take special care that your body is getting everything that it needs. Edited August 10, 2005 by Ateoto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
though Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 i eat EVERYTHING :x :x :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soham Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 i am half hindu and half athiest.... i can eat anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBrother Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Source: http://www.goveg.com/feat/faq.aspsee also http://www.goveg.com/feat/NaturalHumanDiet/healthy.asp However..... Source: http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/895_vegdiet.html#varieties Edit: Just wanted to say, I had Tofu and Soy Cheese Ravioli for Lunch and it rocked my face off. 586357179[/snapback] thanks for that, I need some extra motivation in my goal to become a vegetarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soypowered Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Meat Eater for health reasons (humans need proteins that are only found in red meat and other types of animal meat).It is actually bad for most people to just be a vegetarian ... vegan is even worse for you. I am just stating my opinion which is based on people who I know are vegetarians and vegans and are definitely under-nourished and scientific fact (it's good to have a fiancee who's major is nursing). 586356950[/snapback] I have been a vegetarian my entire life and i'm perfectly healthy...I do take supplements (animal product free supplements, of course) to give me some things that vegetarians don't get a lot of, like omega 3 oils. Soy is a natural source of protien as well as other nuts, that is how we get our protien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbonello Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Those who are vegetarians, did you do it because of the animals, or for your health? 586356843[/snapback] I'm a vegetarian because of animals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuarterSwede Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 I have been a vegetarian my entire life and i'm perfectly healthy...I do take supplements (animal product free supplements, of course) to give me some things that vegetarians don't get a lot of, like omega 3 oils. Soy is a natural source of protien as well as other nuts, that is how we get our protien. 586357271[/snapback] Certain proteins can only be found in animal meat (specifically red meat). Not all proteins are the same. Anyway, I'm really trying not to argue about this so, instead, I'll just stop posting about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggling_john Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 when people say you have to eat meat to be healthy, you're saying it out of pure ignorance. There is not one thing found in meat that you can't get elsewhere. More to the point, if you want to go that way, the human body is really, really bad at digesting meat - which is why athletes, cyclists etc eat no meat products whatsoever during competition. Just an aside, dogs can be vegetarian, but cats cannot - they have an excuse :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ateoto Posted August 10, 2005 Author Share Posted August 10, 2005 thanks for that, I need some extra motivation in my goal to become a vegetarian. 586357268[/snapback] Awesome, yeah check out http://www.goveg.com/ they have a starter kit thats free. It has info and recipies and other helpful information. Plus there are tons of delicious vegetarian/vegan recipies that are just a google search away. Its incredibly easy these days to be a vegetarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solarix Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 i eat everything, i hate picky people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ateoto Posted August 10, 2005 Author Share Posted August 10, 2005 I do take supplements (animal product free supplements, of course) to give me some things that vegetarians don't get a lot of, like omega 3 oils. 586357271[/snapback] You probally know this but Flaxseed is great for Omega 3. I put it in salads and add flaxseed oil to some dishes. "Soy protein," the paper states, "has been shown to be nutritionally equivalent in protein value to proteins of animal origin and, thus, can serve as the sole source of protein intake if desired." Source: http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/895_vegdiet.html#varieties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhav Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 i'm vegetarian just because i was brought up like that. my religion says i shouldn't eat meat, fish, eggs, potatoes, carrots, (ground vegetables) or drink milk (amongst other things)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morebaker Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 I eat lots of red meat because i love to barbeque. But i balance it with fish and lots of salads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soypowered Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 You probally know this but Flaxseed is great for Omega 3. I put it in salads and add flaxseed oil to some dishes.Source: http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/895_vegdiet.html#varieties 586357314[/snapback] Yeah flax is great! Good with cereal in the morning. i'm vegetarian just because i was brought up like that.my religion says i shouldn't eat meat, fish, eggs, potatoes, carrots, (ground vegetables) or drink milk (amongst other things)! What is your religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solarix Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 i'm vegetarian just because i was brought up like that. my religion says i shouldn't eat meat, fish, eggs, potatoes, carrots, (ground vegetables) or drink milk (amongst other things)! 586357317[/snapback] ok now thats just weird, u cant eat the ones from the ground? what do u eat then air, bread and water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperactive Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 first person to vote vegan :p i am vegan for health/athletic performance reasons primarily. meat is an acid forming food and if eaten (your choice) it should be minimized. (i eat an alkalyne, glucose balancing diet which excludes more than just animal products. meat is not the worst thing for you by far if you are looking to remove unhealthy choices from your diet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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