stanneh Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 The ad, paid for by Gold Star Families for Peace, will air on Crawford cable channels near Bush's ranch. The total ad buy is currently $15,000. The group plans to air the ad throughout August and wherever Bush visits during his vacation. Sheehan's son, Casey, was an Army mechanic who was killed just five days after arriving in Iraq. http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Video_Mother...siden_0812.html some so called americans call her a flip flopper the rest see her as an inteligent woman who fealt the need to change her mind when she realised what she had been fed by her government was wrong. at the moment the president of the united states has to travell via helicopter to travel outside of his home to avoid facing the truth protected by the cia the fbi and the police force from justice hes is on the run from cindy and she wont let up on him. for more info of whats happening at camp stacy visit http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Biscuits Brown MVC Posted August 12, 2005 MVC Share Posted August 12, 2005 (edited) Im in Dallas for a business thing and thought I'd drive down to Crawford to see the ranch. I had no idea what was going on down there. When I got there I was harrassed/threatened by a few of the 'peace' activists for supporting the President. If you are a 'peace' activist, isn't threatening me hypocritical? The place looked like a zoo. Media cameras, activist protestors, banners, junk hanging from trees. Both sides (media/protestors) are just plain obnoxious. Personally I think their message is being lost to their actions. Protests and free speech are part of our basic beliefs but you should think it out before you start picthing tents. At least figure out how/where to take a shower! Im not kidding , some of those protestors needed to spend less time chanting, "'W' killed our son" and more time brushing and flossing. EDIT: I just want to make it clear, I went down there because I thought it would be interesting to see the ranch - period. I stopped by Kennbuncport Maine for the same reason a couple of years ago. I had no idea what was happening down there... Edited August 12, 2005 by Tempus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanneh Posted August 12, 2005 Author Share Posted August 12, 2005 look man these ppl are forced to stay in a ditch the local sherrifs have made it as impossible as they can for the protestors by making them stay in the ditches these peaple should not be judged by the banners they hang or their appearance you should try living like this just to get an explination from the man who is paid to represent you and not lie directly to you. what really makes me curious about you most is what did you do to make it be known your a george bush supporter just by being there for a visit wouldnt make you out as a bush supporter what exactly did you do to get up the protesters/mothers of dead american soldiers noses? as far as a total stranger/protester would be concerned you could be a local why would they care about you? you must have done something man and probably something you should be very ashamed about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Biscuits Brown MVC Posted August 12, 2005 MVC Share Posted August 12, 2005 look man these ppl are forced to stay in a ditch the local sherrifs have made it as impossible as they can for the protestors by making them stay in the ditches these peaple should not be judged by the banners they hang or their appearance you should try living like this just to get an explination from the man who is paid to represent you and not lie directly to you.what really makes me curious about you most is what did you do to make it be known your a george bush supporter just by being there for a visit wouldnt make you out as a bush supporter what exactly did you do to get up the protesters/mothers of dead american soldiers noses? as far as a total stranger/protester would be concerned you could be a local why would they care about you? you must have done something man and probably something you should be very ashamed about. 586366727[/snapback] I asked what was going on, they asked if I was there to join the protest. I responded that I just came to see the ranch and in a way pay my respects to the office of the president. One protestor asked if I was against the Iraq war to which I responded that I thought more planning could have been done but overall, I am in support of our actions and most certainly the men and women in harms way. I did not incite or inflame. I did not comment or criticize their protest. They simply saw me as a Bush supporter and they started in. I didn't even vote for the guy but they didn't care. I supported the war and they didn't. As for being kept in a ditch, there are plenty of accommodations near the ranch. There is no point in sleeping in the ditch overnight and bypassing all attempts at hygiene. Nobody is paying any attention (aside from the secret service) at 1AM so you may as well go to a motel to at least shower. As to your comment as to the sheriff making them stay in a ditch, they were trespassing before being told to use the ditch. I would think that as peace protestors they would at least honor another persons lawfully acquired property and the rights that go with. I'm not going to get into whether anybody lied or not because it is irrelevant. Being paid to represent you does not guaranty you an audience. Besides, Bush has already met with Cindy once before. You may think you have the right to talk to the president but you don't. Most people never even see the president in person during the span of their lifetime. Cindy is looking for personal visit number 2. The point you are perhaps missing is that her son volunteered for service and actually re-upped in order to go to Iraq. He wasn?t drafted, or forced. It seems to me it wasn?t the president that killed her son; it was his desire to do what he thought was the right thing to do. I?m not going to question the motives of a soldier that died in battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted August 13, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 13, 2005 The point you are perhaps missing is that her son volunteered for service and actually re-upped in order to go to Iraq. He wasn?t drafted, or forced. It seems to me it wasn?t the president that killed her son; it was his desire to do what he thought was the right thing to do. I?m not going to question the motives of a soldier that died in battle. 586368022[/snapback] Exactly, I don't even pretend to know what she's going through having lost her son, but at the same time I don't think the proper way of honoring his memory is by ****ing on HIS decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanneh Posted August 13, 2005 Author Share Posted August 13, 2005 maybe you should see it like this her son was told he was going to iraq to fight for his country becouse he was told his country was under a threat from saddams weapons of mass destruction. it now has be ****IN PROVEN that was a god damned lie. now cindy wants a ****in genuine appology and and she wants THE REAL reason her son died. do you not think this is the very least cindy sheehan deserves do you believe your president is acting in a responsible manner by lying your country in to a war and then ducking the mother of a boy who faught ****in hard for his country and then died then for his mother to later hear he died for a ****in lie? she wants this murdering ****** to face up to her and tell her the TRUTH nothing more. but what does she have ? the CIA the FBI and the police force blocking her way to justice the very peaple who should defend her their not the personal body guards of the president she also has a bunch of bush nazis there now chanting at her WE DONT CARE WE DONT CARE seriously whats this ****in world coming to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metro Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 maybe you should see it like this her son was told he was going to iraq to fight for his country becouse he was told his country was under a threat from saddams weapons of mass destruction.it now has be ****IN PROVEN that was a god damned lie. now cindy wants a ****in genuine appology and and she wants THE REAL reason her son died. do you not think this is the very least cindy sheehan deserves do you believe your president is acting in a responsible manner by lying your country in to a war and then ducking the mother of a boy who faught ****in hard for his country and then died then for his mother to later hear he died for a ****in lie? she wants this murdering ****** to face up to her and tell her the TRUTH nothing more. but what does she have ? the CIA the FBI and the police force blocking her way to justice the very peaple who should defend her their not the personal body guards of the president she also has a bunch of bush nazis there now chanting at her WE DONT CARE WE DONT CARE seriously whats this ****in world coming to. 586370297[/snapback] I can appreciate your political standpoint on things, and the fact that you are expressing your opinions but you need to do it with some tact. F this, F that, etc just show your inability to engage in a debate without using vulgarity to get your point across, and it demonstrates a lack of maturity. On one hand, I do not support the war strictly because I don't feel that Saddam was a direct threat at the time. I know that he is a bad person, and did horrible things, but as soon as we lost track of where Bin Laden may be hiding, I feel that Bush wanted someone's head to roll and Saddam was the perfect scapegoat considering Bush Sr couldn't even finish what he started. It was the pefect way to completely change the subject and focus on something that the Bush Administration was failing at, and they didn't want to face anymore ridicule. On the other hand, I am a little relieved that he was captured even after many billions of dollars wasted for the purpose. This is also figuring the wasted money utilized in Desert Shield/Desert Storm which got us nowhere. Now that he has been captured, I don't see the point in keeping the troops there. Now that he has been removed, it is not our job to police their country and hold their hands while they try and get things figured out for themselves. The problem with this scenario is that we could be using this money to better our own country. The reason why this is such a big ordeal to the Bush Administration (and this is expressively my own personal opinion) is that there is oil involved, oil that a lot of these people have investments in and stand to make money from, especially Bush. I personally feel that our government has no right to tell people in other countries how to think, what to do, how to feel, and to follow what our government thinks is in their best interests. By doing this, other countries start to despise us even more. There are a lot of things that are not apparent to the public that I am sure exist, and anyone naive enough to believe Farenheit 911 in it's entirety needs a wake up call. There is some truth to that film, but it was designed to be a machine against Bush to try and drag him into the sewer and hurt his chances of re-election. Glad to see that it worked... A lot of people are not as dumb as Michael Moore had hoped, and I did not even care for Kerry let alone Bush. I voted Kerry because there was just not any other alternative candidate popular enough to swing Bush out of office and that is sad. In a country of millions of people, you would think that better candidates for President would have fielded into the public eye. If this is the best we can do, then I feel our country is doomed. :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted August 13, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 13, 2005 Cindy Sheehan will never be happy, no matter what Bush does, or even if 50 years later we find a stockpile of ICBM's in the Iraqi desert, she'll never be happy because her son is dead. Further she is so far left now, that nothing but a complete pullout right this instant would even begin to placate her, and that's just wrong. Whether the war was valid or not is one thing, but I find it hard to believe anyone thinks we should just go in there, **** it up, go I'm sorry we were wrong, and leave them in anarchy. That is disgusting, that is a disgrace to those who died on both sides, but that's what Cindy wants. I personally would talk to her if possible, but you have to be careful what kind of precedent that would set. You have a finite amount of time for running the country and then you want to do personal visits with everyone who has someone close to them die? Further he HAS to distance himself from it in a way, because he has to finish the job. If he does give in to this women he would be spitting on all those dead people's graves, so he can't get too close. Further, I'm tired of people joining the military and then saying they have no choice. First off you signed the papers and have an obligation but if it really is against your morals, take a stand and leave, yes there's a consequence, but it isn't near as heavy as the consequence of fighting in a war you find morally bankrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanneh Posted August 13, 2005 Author Share Posted August 13, 2005 look the war is based on complete lies when casey went to war he went becouse your president and his voters told him saddam was going to attack america and that he had weapons of mass destruction and stood up infront of the world and pointed to cartoon pictures of them and you believed every word now the proof is out that they knew in advance they did not have weapons of mass destruction and everybody knows saddam has never ever ever threatened the united states of america and no american has ever been threatened by saddam. realise the truth then show no care i will have more respect for you. i would go to war to protect my country yes if i were to find out later i was lied to about it tho i would be ****ed on a biblical scale and so should you be and so would casey be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbleph1$h Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Crocodile Tears By Christopher Orlet Published 8/12/2005 12:06:48 AM Cindy Sheehan has now been squatting in a roadside ditch near President Bush's Crawford, Texas ranch since August 6. And every day more aging hippies, professional grievance-mongers, and underemployed liberal arts majors show up with their backpacks and banjos to join her. Squatting in ditches, sleeping in pup tents, and sitting around a campfire at night yodeling "This Land Is Your Land" is after all the anti-war protesters idea of nirvana. Sheehan says she is particularly upset -- not so much about her son's death apparently -- but by two statements the president recently made: "We have to honor the sacrifices of the fallen by completing the mission." And "the families of the fallen can be assured that they died for a noble cause." Sheehan calls these statements asinine and hurtful. It is doubtful her son would have agreed. Twenty-four-year-old Army Spc. Casey Sheehan had re-enlisted the August prior to his death, and had planned to make a career in the military. A year ago Sheehan's father told reporters that Casey "loved the Army because it gave him a chance to serve his country." Speaking of asinine statements, Sheehan now demands that, "if George is not ready to send the [bush] twins [to Iraq], he should bring our troops home immediately." Didn't Clausewitz say something similar in his chapter on war and hot-looking twins? Oh, yes, here it is: "Only if the leader is willing to send his young twin daughters to the front may a nation go to war. Otherwise he must hoist the white flag and surrender his sword." Despite what the headlines say, Sheehan, 48, is more anti-war protester than grieving mother. She is co-founder of Gold Star Families for Peace, an organization that seeks to impeach George W. Bush and apparently to convince the U.S. government to surrender to Muslim terrorists. She has been joined at Crawford by similar peace groups including CodePink ("We call on mothers, grandmothers, sisters, and daughters, on workers, students, teachers, healers, artists, writers, singers, poets and every ordinary outraged woman willing to be outrageous for peace") and The Crawford Peace House. So far Sheehan has been unsuccessful despite her best efforts to defeat Bush in 2004, to impeach Bush, or to get the president to meet with her in her ditch. In fact her only success has been in getting lots of fawning media coverage from the mainstream media, few of which have reported her radical background and ideas. In fact rather than pitying her, the public should be disgusted how the mother of a dead serviceman is using his heroic death to push her anti-Republican political agenda. Sheehan also says she only wants to ask the president why he killed her son, something she failed to ask during their first meeting at Fort Lewis near Seattle on June 24, 2004. "'I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," she told the Reporter newspaper of Vacaville, California, after that visit. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith." Back then Sheehan asked the President to make her "son's sacrifice count for something." That was before Sheehan and friends figured out that an American defeat in Iraq would increase the Democrats' chances in the next presidential election. President Bush told reporters Thursday that pulling out American troops now "would be a mistake for the security of this country and the ability to lay the foundations for peace in the long run..." Fortunately most Americans appreciate the sacrifice of our young men and women in Iraq. As one Gulf War veteran has noted, "[Casey's] death only becomes meaningless when we back home choose to NOT honor his mission and his sacrifice." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lav-chan Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 apparently to convince the U.S. government to surrender to Muslim terrorists586372291[/snapback] lol. I'm sure. When did this fellow enlist? If it was like this year or maybe last year, i find it hard to believe that he was 'tricked' by Bush, because we haven't learnt anything new about his 'lies' since before then. If he went in this year or last year, he should have already heard all the stuff about how Bush lied and blah blah blah, and if he still chose to go into the army, then it's all on him. But if it was before that, then i might have some sympathy, because i can accept that he was lied to about WMD and about the link to al Qaeda (well, they didn't really lie about that part, i guess; more like falsely implied). And i'm not just talking about Bush, i'm talking about lots of politicians, including plenty of Democrats, who made the (apparently false) case for war in Iraq. Going to war to protect your country is one thing; going to war because all the people who are supposed to be responsible for your well-being screwed up or even lied is entirely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted August 13, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 13, 2005 Well I never bought the WoMD thing from the government not even at the start. I support the war for a different reason, and that's Saddam Hussein and the UN just was not working. I've already gone over this tons of times here but Saddam routinely fired on US planes patrolling the No-Fly zone, Saddam was in continouse breach of the variouse UN resolutions, and it just wasn't working. There were only 2 choices concerning us and Iraq, either leave and let Saddam go right back to what he was doing and abandon the UN resolutions, or finish what we started in Desert Shield. I was for finishing what we started. In a perfect world I wish Bush Sr. would have said "F' you" to the UN the first time and finished it but he didn't so we're left with this mess, but that's my side on it. Now concerning Cindy's situation, I feel bad for her but I think she's going the entirely wrong way, but I think the way she's been attacked by the right has also been disgusting. it's a bad situation but there's no fix outside of a time machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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