Soham Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 OVER A THIRD OF BUSINESSES are blaming Microsoft for the recent Zotob outbreak, according to a poll on Thursday. The web poll of over a thousand users found 35% of those surveyed that Microsoft was the one responsible for the Zotob panic, since it was a Windows flaw that made the worm's success possible. 20% of those asked in the poll blamed the worm on system admins for not patching sytems quick enough. Less than half of those polled actually blamed the writers of Zotob for the attacks. As Microsoft was accused of letting its guard down, spokeswoman Kjersti Gunderson said in a company statement that "no software is 100 percent secure." She also said in the release that "responding to security vulnerabilities can be a complex, extensive and sometimes time-consuming process." Microsoft says that it's "committed to keeping the number of security vulnerabilities that ship in its products to a minimum." http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25547 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andareed Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 That's hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0m8er Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Stupid people! Patch was awailable all the time, so their stupidity is to blame, not Microsoft :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwjw1 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 How lame...they should be firing the 'system administator' for being too lazy to update....did ya see the techs from CNN...they looked like they spent most of their time playing 'video' games and reading 'playgirl' mags.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo64fx Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 ... why are they complaining ??? Have i catch Zotob.... NOPE When you check updates every day... you are safe and also a good antivirus and firewall is NECESSARY for people who are.... stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amrinders87 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 How the heck is it Microsoft's fault when they dont even install the updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoXY Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 How the heck is it Microsoft's fault when they dont even install the updates. 586403865[/snapback] took the worlds right out of my mouth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcom826 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Microsoft cant act like this forever. For the sheer amount of resources and market share it has, it has the responsibility of shipping a more secure operating system. Some vulnerabilities are sure to be expected, but MS has WAY too many for $30-40 billion in spare cash and 95% market share. Focus on making a better product, not shipping it out and fixing all its problems later. On such a mission critical piece of software, their neglect is simply inexcusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Jones Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Microsoft cant act like this forever. For the sheer amount of resources and market share it has, it has the responsibility of shipping a more secure operating system. Some vulnerabilities are sure to be expected, but MS has WAY too many for $30-40 billion in spare cash and 95% market share. Focus on making a better product, not shipping it out and fixing all its problems later. On such a mission critical piece of software, their neglect is simply inexcusable. 586403902[/snapback] Making money = secure OS? I fail to see the logic behind your thinking. The money they have is because they built the most used OS, therefore the most attack-prone from malicious users Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantmx Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Microsoft cant act like this forever. For the sheer amount of resources and market share it has, it has the responsibility of shipping a more secure operating system. Some vulnerabilities are sure to be expected, but MS has WAY too many for $30-40 billion in spare cash and 95% market share. Focus on making a better product, not shipping it out and fixing all its problems later. On such a mission critical piece of software, their neglect is simply inexcusable. 586403902[/snapback] They used their resources to create a patch for the problem. It isn't their fault people don't patch. I'd like to see you write a program and not have anything wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted August 20, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 20, 2005 Microsoft cant act like this forever. For the sheer amount of resources and market share it has, it has the responsibility of shipping a more secure operating system. Some vulnerabilities are sure to be expected, but MS has WAY too many for $30-40 billion in spare cash and 95% market share. Focus on making a better product, not shipping it out and fixing all its problems later. On such a mission critical piece of software, their neglect is simply inexcusable. 586403902[/snapback] I agree, because we all know there are flawless OS's out there :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Jones Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Flawless? almost Usefull ? NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drshdw Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Microsoft cant act like this forever. For the sheer amount of resources and market share it has, it has the responsibility of shipping a more secure operating system. Some vulnerabilities are sure to be expected, but MS has WAY too many for $30-40 billion in spare cash and 95% market share. Focus on making a better product, not shipping it out and fixing all its problems later. On such a mission critical piece of software, their neglect is simply inexcusable. 586403902[/snapback] Don't stay stupid stuff.. Why would Microsoft have spare cash? People get paid in this world, unless you work for free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amrinders87 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Microsoft cant act like this forever. For the sheer amount of resources and market share it has, it has the responsibility of shipping a more secure operating system. Some vulnerabilities are sure to be expected, but MS has WAY too many for $30-40 billion in spare cash and 95% market share. Focus on making a better product, not shipping it out and fixing all its problems later. On such a mission critical piece of software, their neglect is simply inexcusable. 586403902[/snapback] Do you understand that every OS out in the market has security holes? When software is so complex and large, it is impossible to be bug free. And Microsoft patched this before this attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt T Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 It's not Microsoft's fault; it's the fault of the Zotob programmers and the users who didn't install the patches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Veteran Posted August 20, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 20, 2005 Microsoft cant act like this forever. For the sheer amount of resources and market share it has, it has the responsibility of shipping a more secure operating system. Some vulnerabilities are sure to be expected, but MS has WAY too many for $30-40 billion in spare cash and 95% market share. Focus on making a better product, not shipping it out and fixing all its problems later. On such a mission critical piece of software, their neglect is simply inexcusable. 586403902[/snapback] Do you have ANY programming experience whatsoever? No? I didn't think so. The number of bugs in software rises exponentially with the size/complexity of the software. Do you have the slightest idea how complicated an operating system is and how many hundreds or thousands of components there are to manage? All the money in the world can't make a flawless operating system. It takes thousands of designers, programmers, testers, and most importantly time to find and fix bugs in a piece of software that size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soham Posted August 20, 2005 Author Share Posted August 20, 2005 21 services to make a os meet the needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LispyGlitter2 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 pebkac...just...pebkac -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inertia Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 pebkac...just...pebkac -.- 586404958[/snapback] :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagamer34 Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Does anyone ever bother thinking if Microsoft hadn't told users about this problem, if Zotob would have even existed? I mean, because SP2 is at LEAST a year old, and yet, Zotob sprung a week after Microsoft announced specifically where these holes are that make such a virus work. Sure, an OS will have it's problems, and IT system administrators should have downloaded the PATCH ASAP, but I mean come on. If you have a sign that says "Rob this bank at 10:00 AM because there aren't any guards around", people will show up for the cash. I'm not blaming Microsoft for not creating flawless software. That's stupid. Throwing money at a problem doesn't fix it. I'm blaming them not because it was they who created the problem, but because they told everyone else about. Here's a thought. The next time Microsoft finds a hole in its OS, don't tell us how it did it or what it effects, just how to remove it if it infects our system. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strekship Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Most people like to know whats being patch on their systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkinspiration Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 I've heard the argument that windows is complex, a complex program is less secure because it's more difficult to envision all the security trouble that could arrise etc etc etc... Now why does microsoft not cut on the complexity of windows. I mean away with IE, away with Media Player, movie maker, messenger, solitaire. Just the basic kernel, a gui, some drivers. Windows could be a lot less complicated to maintained that way. But of course and Os as to make everything work out of the box. god forbid the user from learning anything about installing external prog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burned Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 (edited) Ahhh whatever, this crap will continue till the end of time! There is no such thing as a secure OS! Edited August 21, 2005 by Burned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlibbyFlobby Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Without virus/worm writters and insecure O/S's alot of people would be out of job, the same goes for spyware and malware in general. All the people who work for Anti Virus, Anti Spyware and Firewall software/hardware companies would be out of a job. Thats my 2 pence worth. I blame the users or network admins for not updating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Veteran Posted August 21, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 21, 2005 Now why does microsoft not cut on the complexity of windows. I mean away with IE, away with Media Player, movie maker, messenger, solitaire. Just the basic kernel, a gui, some drivers. Windows could be a lot less complicated to maintained that way. But of course and Os as to make everything work out of the box. god forbid the user from learning anything about installing external prog. 586409099[/snapback] Because when we talk about "Windows", we are talking about the operating system itself; not all the addons like WMP, Windows Messenger, Movie Maker, etc. The kernel, shell, and a few user-mode apps is the entirety of the operating system in my opinion. Just because it ships with the operating system doesn't make Calculator a part of the operating system as far as I'm concerned. IE is an exception, possibly the only one. The fact is, the NT executive and all the subsystems (COM servers) of Windows are extremely complex. Look up some info on Technet on the different components. Here's one image for example; keep in mind this is a very generalized layout of the core of Windows NT 4. Windows 2000 has added a few more things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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