Networking with Win 98 stations


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hi,

i have an old station with WIN98 on it. Any computer can browse the WinVista machine except for the WIN98 one. This one sees the WinVista computer but when i click on the comp a password prompt comes that asks the pasword for \\Vista\$IPC.

the Admin password on the Vista machine doesn't work. Anyone knows if there is a solution to this? is there a WIN98 update or a configuration i have to make?

funny thing is when i ping the Vista machine IP it returns timed out from the 98 comp but not from the XPs. If i turn off the Firewall on the vista comp ping works from 98 too but i still cant access the Vista shared folders. same prompt comes asking 4 password.

Appreciate any ideas!

thanks,

Methos

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hi,

i have an old station with WIN98 on it. Any computer can browse the WinVista machine except for the WIN98 one. This one sees the WinVista computer but when i click on the comp a password prompt comes that asks the pasword for \\Vista\$IPC.

the Admin password on the Vista machine doesn't work. Anyone knows if there is a solution to this? is there a WIN98 update or a configuration i have to make?

funny thing is when i ping the Vista machine IP it returns timed out from the 98 comp but not from the XPs. If i turn off the Firewall on the vista comp ping works from 98 too but i still cant access the Vista shared folders. same prompt comes asking 4 password.

Appreciate any ideas!

thanks,

Methos

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I believe it's because Vista has to install with NTFS and Win98 cannot read NTFS partitions.

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Hiatt66 is right on the money ... win98 can't even see winxp ... because win98 is a FAT32 system .. and winXP and winVI is NTFS ....

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Its simple, the browser service is not supported in Windows Vista beta 1, it should be fixed in beta 2.

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Hiatt66 is right on the money ...  win98 can't even see winxp ... because win98 is a FAT32 system .. and winXP and winVI is NTFS ....

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Thanks. You can ping the computer all day long but you won't be able to access the drives from a win98 machine or an XP machine with a fat32 file system.

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Hiatt66 is right on the money ...  win98 can't even see winxp ... because win98 is a FAT32 system .. and winXP and winVI is NTFS ....

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Actually that makes no difference. File system doesn't matter when it comes to networking - 98 machines can see NTFS network drives with no problems at all.

I've not tried 98 to Vista networking though, but 98 can definitely see NTFS drives from 2000/XP machines, that much is a fact.

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Comments about filesystem are wrong.

There is no "NTFS" or "FAT" over a network. A client merely sends requests and receives information from the serving PC, and remains blissfully ignorant of whether the server uses NTFS, ext3, or any other foreign filesystem.

This problem could be due to some feature missing/incorrect on the Vista Beta box, or could very well be due to changes and improvements in the SMB protocol that renders older Win98 machines not able to talk to the newer Vista box.

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Comments about filesystem are wrong.

There is no "NTFS" or "FAT" over a network.  A client merely sends requests and receives information from the serving PC, and remains blissfully ignorant of whether the server uses NTFS, ext3, or any other foreign filesystem.

This problem could be due to some feature missing/incorrect on the Vista Beta box, or could very well be due to changes and improvements in the SMB protocol that renders older Win98 machines not able to talk to the newer Vista box.

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The comments are not wrong. Try using a win98 boot disk on a win2000 or xp machine formatted in NTFS and you won't see the hard drive. Same goes for accessing the drive over a network.

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He's not talking about a local filesystem.

If a client PC needed to be able to read the remote filesystem, then Windows PCs would never be able to talk to a Unix/Linux server.

He's talking about a network 'share', which uses the SMB protocol. This has nothing to do with any filesystem on any drive.

EDIT: Some additional explanation can be found here: http://kb.iu.edu/data/acsb.html

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He's not talking about a local filesystem.

If a client PC needed to be able to read the remote filesystem, then Windows PCs would never be able to talk to a Unix/Linux server.

He's talking about a network 'share', which uses the SMB protocol.  This has nothing to do with any filesystem on any drive.

EDIT:  Some additional explanation can be found here: http://kb.iu.edu/data/acsb.html

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Ahhh...missed that part of his post. :p You are absoultely correct in this regard. Sorry to debate on this for so long.

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Just to back markjensen up here, like he needs it when he's speaking the truth :) File system is irrelevant when it comes to network shares due to it not accessing the drive directly but via a protocol such as SMB. You can try it for yourself - the boot disk example is not applicable since that's a local thing but if you don't believe us, use a 9x machine to access a 2000/XP NTFS share and you'll see that it has no problems - I see it all the time.

Edit: Seems I was too late but you've got it now anyway :)

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Just to back markjensen up here, like he needs it when he's speaking the truth  :)  File system is irrelevant when it comes to network shares due to it not accessing the drive directly but via a protocol such as SMB.  You can try it for yourself - the boot disk example is not applicable since that's a local thing but if you don't believe us, use a 9x machine to access a 2000/XP NTFS share and you'll see that it has no problems - I see it all the time.

Edit:  Seems I was too late but you've got it now anyway  :)

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Yea.....I'm an idiot and didn't read carefully. I know when to eat crow and this is a time for me to do it. LOL.

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Ahhh...missed that part of his post.  :p  You are absoultely correct in this regard. Sorry to debate on this for so long.

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yeah same here... i did the same things as Hiatt66 .... didn't read it properly....

just like what my phyics teacher always said.... RTFQ : RTFA (read the f*ing question = read the f*ing answer) :)

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