BroChaos Veteran Posted July 8, 2002 Veteran Share Posted July 8, 2002 how is this possible? does anyone else find this boggling? anyone know of any good articles to read? i have a pretty up to date computer, but when i burn at 16x, my buffer is always running out and burn proof has to kick in. is my comp just messed? how many Mb/s is 48x? what is IDE capable of? hehe, i'm just curious. thanks for any info :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malechai Veteran Posted July 8, 2002 Veteran Share Posted July 8, 2002 your buffer empties burning at 16x? hmm..something is wrong. My comp is 2 years old and I can burn at 24x steadily with no problems. I can even use my computer at the same time without the BU protection kicking in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroChaos Veteran Posted July 8, 2002 Author Veteran Share Posted July 8, 2002 Originally posted by Spyder your buffer empties burning at 16x? hmm..something is wrong. My comp is 2 years old and I can burn at 24x steadily with no problems. I can even use my computer at the same time without the BU protection kicking in. doh, i didn't want to hear that :p i'm burning from a 7200 rpm/ata66 IBM hard drive. hard drive and burner are on separate IDE cables. everything is detected correctly, and seems to work fine. any ideas anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted July 8, 2002 MVC Share Posted July 8, 2002 48x = if not mistaken = 48x150k or 7.2 MB From memory 1x is considered 150k/s? Something is not right, what OS are you running and what type of burner? Some machine specs would help too. -BudMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroChaos Veteran Posted July 8, 2002 Author Veteran Share Posted July 8, 2002 AMD Athlon 1.4GHz Epox 8k7a 512m DDR Kingston Sparkle 300W Creative Labs Geforce 2 GTS Creative Labs Audigy X-Gamer DLink 530TX NIC 40GB IBM (Primary Master) 13.6GB WD (Primary Slave) Toshiba SD-M1212 DVD (Secondary Master) LG GCE-8160B (Secondary Slave) <-- Burner WindowsXP Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosh Naranek Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 First you need to make sure DMA is enabled for the burner and the HDD. Sometimes you need to enable DMA support for CD/DVD in the BIOS before it will be used in Windows.(Which is the case on my Epox 8KHA+, where I need to Enable UDMA CD support wich it isn't as a default) In windows XP do the following ..... Right click my computer select properties choose the hardware tab and then the Device Manager button. Select and expand the IDE ATA/ATAPI Controller Branch Double click on the controller your CD-RW is on and select Advanced Settings. There you can se whether DMA is enabled or not. If DMA is enabled then you need to check the cables .. 80 pin or only 40 pin ? All modern CD-RW and DVD drives can run in UDMA-2 mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digistil Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 While this is generally considered less than optimal, try connecting your burner to the same cable as your hdd. I think this will fix your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 Here is the Lite-On 48Xer http://www.3dxtreme.org/liteon48xp1.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 hmm i burn at 24x straight to the drive off a 5400 rpm (storage drive) my buffer stays nice and full :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick0142 Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 Originally posted by rossiknol While this is generally considered less than optimal, try connecting your burner to the same cable as your hdd. I think this will fix your problem. i always have my burner slaved to my HDD, cause if you slave the burner to the cd-rom, then you cannot make copies of cd very well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger H. Veteran Posted July 8, 2002 Veteran Share Posted July 8, 2002 the proper way would be to put the burner as a MASTER on the SECOND IDE CHANNEL. The DvD drive wont suffer from being on the Slave cuz right now with my 32X10X40 drive i watch DVDs while burning discs and it plays and burns perfectly. Check to see if DMA is on first cuz sometimes that happens.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 Originally posted by BroChaos 40GB IBM (Primary Master) 13.6GB WD (Primary Slave) Toshiba SD-M1212 DVD (Secondary Master) LG GCE-8160B (Secondary Slave) <-- Burner Here is your problem, the two harddrives on the same IDE, I would switch the maller WD harddrive and make it a slave on IDE2. So it would to like this: IDE1 IBM (master) DVD (slave) IDE2 CDRW (master) WD (slave) either way, having two high priority hard drives on one IDE is never a good idea also, are you cables ATA100 or 80pins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosh Naranek Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 Having 2 HDD's on the same IDE channel is NOT a problem ! Wheher the CD-RW is master or slave shouldn't matter much either ! DMA is far more important for doing trouble free burning. If in doubt ... check the forum on www.cdfreaks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroChaos Veteran Posted July 8, 2002 Author Veteran Share Posted July 8, 2002 you guys rock, thanks for all the suggetions. i'm at work right now, but i'm gonna check all the suggestions as soon as i get home. a few things i was wondering about: username: i understand not wanting to have 2 high priority devices on the same IDE, but aren't i going to lose performance on my IBM Master HDD? (because the dvd is a slower device) i think my burner is in PIO. that's not good is it? i have selected "DMA if availible" though. [edit]duh, it has to be the PIO:dead: i think i remember setting it to that a while ago, when i was having problems with DMA, but a lot has changed since then, i'm gonna try putting it back to dma in the bios. [/edit] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyD Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 have you guys seen this one? i read in maximum pc that the 48x version will be the first burner to actually burn edge to edge at 48x. i just finished buying a plextor 40x :( heh http://www.yamaha.com/yec/multimedia/custo...dsF1_flash.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoLdFuSi0n Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 thats a sweet burner i have to buy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 If you want to run all your drives on seperate channels and not worry about one slowing the other down, then you might consider a Promise ATA 100 or 133 pci card. i have three hard drives, a CD rom and a burner in my sytstem and they all run smooth. You could then have all your drives on their own channels and get good performance. I want to see some mobo's with more than two IDE channels, i'm sure there's a few out there somewhere but a good Promise card will make you happy :p ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeing 787 Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 I love these threads with people always giving advice on how to wire up there systems. I give my setup as well: IDE Primary: 7200 Hard drive (master) 5400 Hard drive (slave) IDE Secondary: CD-ROM (master) 48x Burner (slave) I burn at 48x all the time and no problems at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JodyWatts Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 Here is my setup 20 gig - 7200rpm (Primary - Master) 80 gig - 7200rpm (Primary - Slave) 12x DVD - (Seconday - Master) 24x10x40 TDK Velo CD Writer - (Secondary - Slave) I use Nero as my burning CD software. I burn at 24x all the time and continue to use the computer during the burning and can't ever remember seeing the burn proof kick-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted July 9, 2002 MVC Share Posted July 9, 2002 Lots of good suggestions - did not quite get the 80pin thing, must of been a typo - since ATA cables are still only 40pin - just 80 wire ;) But good point, since if your not using an ATA cable you aint running above 33. From your machine - you should rock, and not have any problems. I also suggest turning on DMA, now I have seen the bios not allow DMA if you let it auto detect the cd rom drive. You may have to set the drive as just a generic CDrom to enable DMA in the bios. Have seen this a couple of times. Not sure if has a overall effect. But can't be a good thing - if your bios says dma is disabled :) Have no hands on with your Epox MB And I agree with making the burner the master on the secondary, but overall this should not be a problem. Let us know how it turns out. -BudMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted July 9, 2002 MVC Share Posted July 9, 2002 Maybe I missed it - but what software are u using to burn with? Your not using the winxp built in stuff are you?? -BudMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w33d Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 Originally posted by BudMan Maybe I missed it - but what software are u using to burn with? Your not using the winxp built in stuff are you?? -BudMan i use nero and cdrwin 60 gb (master) 60 gb (slave) plextor 24x (master) 80 gb (slave) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosh Naranek Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 Originally posted by AndyD have you guys seen this one? i read in maximum pc that the 48x version will be the first burner to actually burn edge to edge at 48x. i just finished buying a plextor 40x :( heh http://www.yamaha.com/yec/multimedia/custo...dsF1_flash.html IMHO it would be a BIG mistake to buy a burner just because it can do 48x writing from edge to edge !!! I would choose from it's ability to copy protected CD's (you know .. for backup reasons :ponder: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmuncher Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 Originally posted by Kosh Naranek IMHO it would be a BIG mistake to buy a burner just because it can do 48x writing from edge to edge !!! I would choose from it's ability to copy protected CD's (you know .. for backup reasons :ponder: ) I think the coolest feature about that CD writer is the ability to burn graphics straight onto the cd. Anyone think about copying microsoft hologram cds :) Greenmuncher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JnCoKiLLa Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 Just Got the Lite-On 48x 12x 48x no prob here at all P4 1.7gig WD 30gig x2 7200rpm 384 Rd Sound Blaster Augidy Platnaum 16x dvd so no probs here 48x CDR = 7200kbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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