Reg Tweak's for DWM


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I was unable to get DWM working in Beta 1, as the reg tweak's and tweak vista did not work, but I got it working fine in 5048 and 4074 using reg tweak's.

I am using an ATI Radeon 9250, until I can get a better card, but will I be able to tweak the reg and enable it or will it be the same as Beta 1?

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It's much more strict now. You can't just force DWM on. It's enabled by default on LDDM cards, but if you don't have LDDM support, you aren't going to get DWM period. DWM requires a DirectX 9 card, and if you try to force DWM to run without that, there is a good chance things with crash left and right due to dependancies. Go get yourself a cheap DX9 card if you want to use it, get something really really simple like a 9800 at most. No card on the market today will do everything that Vista will have in the end, so if you can hold yourself over for a year or so, you can get a brand new card next year that does everything you need.

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No card on the market today will do everything that Vista will have in the end

Wrong, most high-ish end cards sold this whole year will be 100% capable of doing everything Vista has to offer.

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Wrong, most high-ish end cards sold this whole year will be 100% capable of doing everything Vista has to offer.

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No, they absolutely will not. The G70s are the closest you can get, but they still wont do everything. Vista will be based on DirectX 10 which isn't finalized yet, and therefore on no cards at this time.

The cards will be able to run Vista, sure, and it'll probably be something similar to what we see now, a little more maybe, but they wont do EVERYTHING.

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No, they absolutely will not. The G70s are the closest you can get, but they still wont do everything. Vista will be based on DirectX 10 which isn't finalized yet, and therefore on no cards at this time.

The cards will be able to run Vista, sure, and it'll probably be something similar to what we see now, a little more maybe, but they wont do EVERYTHING.

No, if you have a DX9 card with enough memory for your resolution and LDDM drivers you will get everything Vista has to offer, Microsoft has been saying that all along.

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Vista will indeed be based on DirectX 10. Currently, no card whatsoever supports it. I suspect DirectX 10 will be more efficient than DX9 for the Aero effects, which are quite laggy.

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Vista will indeed be based on DirectX 10. Currently, no card whatsoever supports it. I suspect DirectX 10 will be more efficient than DX9 for the Aero effects, which are quite laggy.

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You may be able to have more effects happening simultaneously with a next-gen card, but not because it's DX10, just because next-gen cards will of course be more powerful.

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No, they absolutely will not. The G70s are the closest you can get, but they still wont do everything. Vista will be based on DirectX 10 which isn't finalized yet, and therefore on no cards at this time.

The cards will be able to run Vista, sure, and it'll probably be something similar to what we see now, a little more maybe, but they wont do EVERYTHING.

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I don't really know why, but I always get annoyed by statements like this. You, in reality, have no idea what vista will require in order to display all the eye-candy and features that the final UI has to offer. So making statements like that, pretending you do, only make you look very stupid :) which don't get me wrong, it's fun every now and then, but it gets old ( and a lot of people here in neowin have the tendency to be self-righteous idiots who believe that what they say, it's final and 100% correct )

Comments like that should start with "I think..." "My guess is..." not "No, they abolutely will not" because once again, you're only talking out of your ass.

Like Glass said, vista will be based on DirectX 10 and we all know that. But I seriously doubt MSFT is going to force everyone to get a high-end card at the end of 2006 just to display the entire UI.

Sure, video cards that support DirectX10 around that time might run the UI faster and easier, but current high-end cards will possibly display everything pretty much the same, but just slower. At least, on the initial release.

Now, later on, more and more apps and games will start to require directX10 features, then users will be forced to update their video cards ( same way we have been for the past years )

But I seriously doubt that the UI and its effects will require something so mindblowing that only directx10 capable cards can do. That my friend, is not smart marketting :p

But there's a full year and 3 months before Vista is Released, a lot can change by then. So we'll see.

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As far as I know, and I may be wrong, DWM will only require a Direct 9 card supporting Pixel Shader 2 to function. While its true that Vista will include the DirectX10 Runtime, I don't thing DWM will rely on any DirectX10 features.

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I don't really know why, but I always get annoyed by statements like this. You, in reality, have no idea what vista will require in order to display all the eye-candy and features that the final UI has to offer. So making statements like that, pretending you do, only make you look very stupid :) which don't get me wrong, it's fun every now and then, but it gets old ( and a lot of people here in neowin have the tendency to be self-righteous idiots who believe that what they say, it's final and 100% correct )

Comments like that should start with "I think..." "My guess is..." not "No, they abolutely will not" because once again, you're only talking out of your ass.

Like Glass said, vista will be based on DirectX 10 and we all know that. But I seriously doubt MSFT is going to force everyone to get a high-end card at the end of 2006 just to display the entire UI.

Sure, video cards that support DirectX10 around that time might run the UI faster and easier, but current high-end cards will possibly display everything pretty much the same, but just slower. At least, on the initial release.

Now, later on, more and more apps and games will start to require directX10 features, then users will be forced to update their video cards ( same way we have been for the past years ) 

But I seriously doubt that the UI and its effects will require something so mindblowing that only directx10 capable cards can do. That my friend, is not smart marketting :p

But there's a full year and 3 months before Vista is Released, a lot can change by then. So we'll see.

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So very well said. (Y)

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I don't really know why, but I always get annoyed by statements like this. You, in reality, have no idea what vista will require in order to display all the eye-candy and features that the final UI has to offer. So making statements like that, pretending you do, only make you look very stupid :) which don't get me wrong, it's fun every now and then, but it gets old ( and a lot of people here in neowin have the tendency to be self-righteous idiots who believe that what they say, it's final and 100% correct )

Comments like that should start with "I think..." "My guess is..." not "No, they abolutely will not" because once again, you're only talking out of your ass.

Like Glass said, vista will be based on DirectX 10 and we all know that. But I seriously doubt MSFT is going to force everyone to get a high-end card at the end of 2006 just to display the entire UI.

Sure, video cards that support DirectX10 around that time might run the UI faster and easier, but current high-end cards will possibly display everything pretty much the same, but just slower. At least, on the initial release.

Now, later on, more and more apps and games will start to require directX10 features, then users will be forced to update their video cards ( same way we have been for the past years ) 

But I seriously doubt that the UI and its effects will require something so mindblowing that only directx10 capable cards can do. That my friend, is not smart marketting :p

But there's a full year and 3 months before Vista is Released, a lot can change by then. So we'll see.

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Comments like that annoy ME because actually, I DO know what I'm talking about. Had I been guessing, I'd have said that, but I'm not. The highest level of Vista WILL REQUIRE DIRECT X 10 TO DO EVERYTHING. No cards right now support DirectX 10. It's not a matter of faster or easier, it's a matter of, unless you have DirectX 10, you don't get everything.

Vista itself will in no way require a DirectX 10 card, just if you want to see every bit of the UI's graphical effects. That my friend, is the future of computing.

Now, unless YOU know what you're talking about, stop posting rubbish to confuse people. I do know these facts, they've been stated by Microsoft before, no I don't remember exactly where off the top of my head, and no I'm not going to go spend my time to find out where so I can prove myself to some little kids on Neowin. :rolleyes:

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Comments like that annoy ME because actually, I DO know what I'm talking about. Had I been guessing, I'd have said that, but I'm not. The highest level of Vista WILL REQUIRE DIRECT X 10 TO DO EVERYTHING. No cards right now support DirectX 10. It's not a matter of faster or easier, it's a matter of, unless you have DirectX 10, you don't get everything.

Vista itself will in no way require a DirectX 10 card, just if you want to see every bit of the UI's graphical effects. That my friend, is the future of computing.

Now, unless YOU know what you're talking about, stop posting rubbish to confuse people. I do know these facts, they've been stated by Microsoft before, no I don't remember exactly where off the top of my head, and no I'm not going to go spend my time to find out where so I can prove myself to some little kids on Neowin. :rolleyes:

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Once again, you DON'T know what you're talking about. You're assuming that something is going to be a particular way because you heard and/or read someone from microsoft ( and you can't even find the source of such statement ) where it explicitly said: "unless you have DirectX 10, you don't get everything."

Because I've been following the development of Vista ever since alpha builds such as 4008/4015 and I've never read/heard a definite statement like the ones you mention. Once again, there's been mention of DX10 and its use for the OS, but nothing 100% concrete or certain. That's the point I was trying to make, not debating whether indeed it will use the technology for some of the UI features or not, it may or may not use it, the point remains, you DON'T know for sure, none of us do yet :)

But to each its own I guess. I'm not gonna debate the topic any longer. You have your opinion, I have mine, so let's leave it at that ^^

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It's much more strict now. You can't just force DWM on. It's enabled by default on LDDM cards, but if you don't have LDDM support, you aren't going to get DWM period.

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You were wrong. I have DWM working now on my Radeon 9250 as well as my friend on a 9800 Pro.

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i couldnt get DWM to work on my 9800 on beta 1, but im going to instal beta 2 in a couple of mins.. wonder if it will work this time :)

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Comments like that annoy ME because actually, I DO know what I'm talking about. Had I been guessing, I'd have said that, but I'm not. The highest level of Vista WILL REQUIRE DIRECT X 10 TO DO EVERYTHING. No cards right now support DirectX 10. It's not a matter of faster or easier, it's a matter of, unless you have DirectX 10, you don't get everything.

Vista itself will in no way require a DirectX 10 card, just if you want to see every bit of the UI's graphical effects. That my friend, is the future of computing.

Now, unless YOU know what you're talking about, stop posting rubbish to confuse people. I do know these facts, they've been stated by Microsoft before, no I don't remember exactly where off the top of my head, and no I'm not going to go spend my time to find out where so I can prove myself to some little kids on Neowin. :rolleyes:

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You are wrong. MS has said from the get go that Vista will require a card with full DX9 support, thats it. Just because Vista will be built in DX10 doesn't mean they will use effects that are exclusive to DX10 and not supported in DX9. I'm pretty sure a ATi 9800 will get the job done just fine with all the bells and whistles (based on what MS have said all along).
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From the mouths of the Windows Presentation Foundation Architects that I spoke with at PDC this week, a DX9 card is all that will be required to tap into all the effects available in WinFX WPF. Remember, that's what all the eye candy is built on, and I would think the architects of the WPF would know. Yes, DX10 will ship with Vista, and yes there may be future WPF releases that tap into more of the hooks in DX10, but for Vista's Presentation layer, it will be DX9 entirely.

Again, to clarify, from the mouths of the orange got style t-shirt wearing architects in the Presentation Lounge at PDC, all features that ship in Vista will be accessible with a DX9 compliant card, ie the 9800s and such.

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I found a registry tweak on the web, now i am using DMW with a Cheap Geforce 4 MX400 128MB. i didn't think it could work here but i got it now  :D .

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Sounds cool to me, because i have an older Geforce4 Go 420, but couldnt get dwm working on it.

What did you have done and which build of Vista are you using? And any Screenshots with the Display Driver page?

Thanks

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Sounds cool to me, because i have an older Geforce4 Go 420, but couldnt get dwm working on it.

What did you have done and which build of Vista are you using? And any Screenshots with the Display Driver page?

Thanks

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I've managed to enable DWM too on my Geforce4 Go 420 (32MB) on 5219, it runs alright. No it's not blazing and smooth but is usable. I think it maybe a glitch in this build, never tried on Beta 1 only did using TweakVista. The only thing about enabling DWM using the reg hack is none of the games work!

Who said Aero needs DX9! ;)

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I found a registry tweak on the web, now i am using DMW with a Cheap Geforce 4 MX400 128MB. i didn't think it could work here but i got it now  :D .

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Sounds cool to me, because i have an older Geforce4 Go 420, but couldnt get dwm working on it.

What did you have done and which build of Vista are you using? And any Screenshots with the Display Driver page?

Thanks

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I've managed to enable DWM too on my Geforce4 Go 420 (32MB) on 5219, it runs alright. No it's not blazing and smooth but is usable. I think it maybe a glitch in this build, never tried on Beta 1 only did using TweakVista. The only thing about enabling DWM using th reg hack is none of the games work!

Who said Aero needs DX9! ;)

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I still dont know what reghack i have to use... Please help me

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I can't remember where i found the regtweak, i think it was on the Iexbeta forum, i'll take a look again because i deleted it after i applied.

also i used some WDDL drivers from Guru3d.

here is a screenshot.

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