Vista impressions...


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The setup took forever. Eventually it all went ok.

The setup process is crap. Microsoft doesn't give you a lot options to play with, not even to pick the packages you want to install...

Windows Vista is the biggest disapointment i had in the software industry. I didn't look for drivers and have games run on it. So don't get me wrong if i say Vista = Crap. Neither I was disapointment with OS speed, or certain bugs. It's a beta 2 for God sake, so really doesn't matter.

It took me an hour to go through all the options, and i don't like where it goes. The look and feel i just can't stand. When you open my computer, those drive icons are just lame. Of course I switched back to classic view. I didn't find a single feature worth of talking. It's really reshaped windows xp on worse way. The point is the technology such as DX10, WMP11, IE7, even WinFS and Avalon (which i'm not going to install) will be available for Windows XP as well, and with it Vista is nothing but hollywood looking movie, and really don't need it.

Avalon, WinFS, and other stuff...The real purpose is just to make the hollywood looking OS better, which is the last thing i need. Honestly, i don't intend to use the video card for useless animations and "flying bug" on the screen. Transparency, aero look and feel is the last thing on my mind. Maybe, this is sort of "professional deformation", but Windows 2000 look and feel is damn better then this.

I don't like idea how DX API will be used under Vista, and the way ATI and NVIDIA will be forced to do things on the hardware side as Microsoft see fits them.

I know many of you are excited about this OS, but let's get straight here. Compare your Windows XP with Windows Vista and honestly tell me what's the point?

Microsoft should implement new DX API, WMP11 and other stuff to Windows XP and call it good....

I'm happy Windows XP is going to be around for the next 5 years, at least. Vista and me...no way....

I wonder what they are trying to prove with 7 editions of this operating system. Hello Microsoft!

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You are an end user. Beta 1 and Build 5219 are for developers only. Why are you using it? This is exactly the reason why Microsoft doesn't want the public to get the hands on Betas. Why do you think they have a program called "Community Technology Preview", and this is not in it? Becaues its not a preview, its a development platform.

As being part of a software development firm myself, this is all very exciting for me. There are underlying technologies that really enhances the experience for developers.

Also, I'll just tell you one thing I like about Vista. The new networking stack. It is a big change. Its going to increase your network efficiency no questions asked. And it will be in Beta 2.

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Long is right. Beta2 given at PDC is a Devoloper preview and also i highly doubt you are a beta tester and if you arent a tester yet you have no right to complain about what m$ put in. this isnt a official Beta 2. Beta 2 will probably be release end of this year or early next year.

As for installation, m$ didnt put anything becase it wants to keep it simple and quick installation for devs to try their programs out. this build only consists about 1/3 the features the retail will carry.

so hush up aight.

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I don't see the network problems with windows 2000 and xp at all. Tell you this...

Try to use Mozilla download manager and then Internet Explorer 6 and compare download speed. Mozilla download is way way faster. It hits 3+ Mb/s, using cable modem. On the other hand IE 6.0 downloads it with top speed 500Kb/s.

I don't think that there is network problem with Windows XP, but the problem with Windows XP Applications in this case IE6.0. I doubt that will IE 7.0 ever hit 3.0Mb/s download speed. Windows Vista will bring a new philosophy as far as the security is concern. I don't think that there was a security problem with Windows XP either. Dumb user will get virus, spam and other crap with Windows Vista anyway....

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I don't see the network problems with windows 2000 and xp at all. Tell you this...

Try to use Mozilla download manager and then Internet Explorer 6 and compare download speed. Mozilla download is way way faster. It hits 3+ Mb/s, using cable modem. On the other hand IE 6.0 downloads it with top speed 500Kb/s.

I don't think that there is network problem with Windows XP, but the problem with Windows XP Applications in this case IE6.0. I doubt that will IE 7.0 ever hit 3.0Mb/s download speed. Windows Vista will bring  a new philosophy as far as the security is concern. I don't think that there was a security problem with Windows XP either. Dumb user will get virus, spam and other crap with Windows Vista anyway....

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Its not about problems, its about innovation.

And the download thing is probably because Firefox multithreads and IE6 doesn't by default.

Anyway, if you hit 3+ Mb/s, wouldn't 4+ Mb/s be better, without you doing anything?

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Its not all about downloading and uploading. When listening to Jim Alchin talk about the outer edges of the internet and pipelines between destinations, using the internet as a sort of porthole was just fascinating. A huge multifaceted networking monster. As end users we see some glimer and we can surf the net with 5219 but there will be a ton of errors and corrupt file messages. This is for the developers and code guys. Its true right now freak_power that XP is a butt kicking OS, but it took years for it to get there. Vista will pick up and go so much further because of its connectivity not just with networking but the intergration from one program to another.

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I wonder what they are trying to prove with 7 editions of this operating system. Hello Microsoft!

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Windows already comes in a lot of varities.....

Windows XP Starter

Windows XP Home

Windows XP Professional

Windows XP Professional 64

Windows XP Media Center (Several Versions Of This Variety)

Windows XP Tablet PC (Several Versions Of This Variety)

The new versions make sense. Each version is targeted for a specific market, so what if there are 7 different markets for Windows Vista?

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I considered reporting this thread for trolling but then I thought neither its worth my time and nor admins'.

You are just showing knee jerk reaction. If you don't understand it, don't use it. Try it in next fall.

ITS NOT READY YET

your time will come...just have patience ;)

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im sorry but your critique at this point of vista is complely stupid. Im no expert, but i heard that much of the stuff that the end user will see isnt even implemented yet. This is for developers, you know those guys who are more concerned with how well their software runs ont he new OS than the way it looks and the bells and whistles at this point!

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im sorry but your critique at this point of vista is complely stupid.  Im no expert, but i heard that much of the stuff that the end user will see isnt even implemented yet.  This is for developers, you know those guys who are more concerned with how well their software runs ont he new OS than the way it looks and the bells and whistles at this point!

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It's not gonna any better then on Windows XP, or even Windows 2000. It's gonna be just same software with different outline....

What end user will see is the OS who takes up to 512MB of your RAM with all the features ON, making you to buy more ram...

No really, they better fix freaking kernel problems....

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If you compare Windows 2000 and Windows XP or heck even Windows 98 and Windows XP in let's say Doom 3.

You wont see any speed up with Windows XP over Windows 98?

What that means? It's not the OS who drivers the software performance, but software itself. OS is a just platform to make sure you can communicate and use the software, and that's all.

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Suuure freak_power, suuuure. :rolleyes:

You are not even allowed to test this (I doubt you're a developer) so don't say anything unless you know what's going to be implementend/added in Vista please, it just makes you look like a troll (you are one anyway).

Wasn't there a thread about what's going to be added in Windows Vista?

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It's not gonna any better then on Windows XP, or even Windows 2000. It's gonna be just same software with different outline....

What end user will see is the OS who takes up to 512MB of your RAM with all the features ON, making you to buy more ram...

No really, they better fix freaking kernel problems....

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do yourself a favor and shut up, vista is still in beta, IT IS NOT RETAIL

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You are an end user. Beta 1 and Build 5219 are for developers only. Why are you using it? This is exactly the reason why Microsoft doesn't want the public to get the hands on Betas. Why do you think they have a program called "Community Technology Preview", and this is not in it? Becaues its not a preview, its a development platform.

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actually im an end user, ms know this and i still got acceptde for the beta, to find bugs that end users will come across..

Anyway its to early to comment on pretty much anything you've said, we havent even hit beta 2, and there wil be a rc after that, possibly even a beta 3.

I will agree though, the new installation process is crap, gives hardly any information and takes forever.

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actually im an end user, ms know this and i still got acceptde for the beta, to find bugs that end users will come across..

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Actually, you are not an end user. You are a part of the development process which makes you a tester. And tester doesn't equal end user, because you're not using it for productivity, you're using it for debugging.

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You claim to be a developer, yet you claim also that Vista is windows XP with a better looking UI ?

Excuse me, Avalon ? Indigo ? WinFX ? How about ten dozen of new technologies Microsoft are implementing for the better performance and usability of both developers AND end-users ?

Clearly, You have no idea what you are talking about. Seeing as you already trash-talk a product when it is barely in the early stages of implementing the end-features and debugging the base platform, You've never developed anything in your life.

Please, Go read up and get smarter on the issue before you diss it.

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