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Let me indicate my utter dissapointment and underwhelmededness from this announcement. I was really hoping we'd get the rendering engine fixes.

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Why would they release rendering engine fixes when those are for the Merlin thing?

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excus me

that kinda org. set up some "standards"/ test to fail all current browsers?

they 'd better also write their "standard" browser all the way.

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Acid 2 test is a test which aims to check how standard compliant a browser is (wrt CSS).

http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/test.html

I think that definition can cause confusion so I will clarify on this a bit further. The Acid2 test only checks how compliant browsers are with a very limited subset (only certain features) of the standards (CSS 2.1 and XHTML 1.0.) I feel that the clarification was needed, because the Acid2 test is not the be-all end-all test like many newbies would believe after reading that statement above.

I get it! Thanks. So Opera dosen't pass it.. IE dosen't pass it.. Does Firefox?

No browser on Windows passes the test.

excus me

that kinda org. set up some "standards"/ test to fail all current browsers?

The standards, relevant to this discussion, are the industry recommendations for how browsers should handle CSS (presentation) and XHTML (structure.) These industry recommendations were created by Microsoft, Opera, Mozilla, Netscape, Sun Microsystems, Adobe, Macromedia, etc. (they are coordinated by Tim Berners-Lee, the creator of the World Wide Web.) These standards are put in place so that browsers will handle code in practically the same way so there is very little work involved in getting pages to work across all browsers and devices. And just to clarify to those who are new to the concept of standards, the recommended standards for CSS and (X)HTML date back several years and there are older versions of the standards as well (read: they've been around for a long, long, time.)

Unfortunately, the browser developers have been slacking on achieving compliance with the standards. The Web Standards Project (WaSP) and the inventor of CSS (Hakon Wium Lie - the chief technology officer at Opera Software) created a test that demonstrates all of the common problems with browser compliance. Once all of the browsers pass this test, a lot more of the features web designers use will be consistent across browsers and devices so our lives will be much easier.

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I think that definition can cause confusion so I will clarify on this a bit further. The Acid2 test only checks how compliant browsers are with a very limited subset (only certain features) of the standards (CSS 2.1 and XHTML 1.0.) I feel that the clarification was needed, because the Acid2 test is not the be-all end-all test like many newbies would believe after reading that statement above.

No browser on Windows passes the test.

The standards, relevant to this discussion, are the industry recommendations for how browsers should handle CSS (presentation) and XHTML (structure.) These industry recommendations were created by Microsoft, Opera, Mozilla, Netscape, Sun Microsystems, Adobe, Macromedia, etc. (they are coordinated by Tim Berners-Lee, the creator of the World Wide Web.) These standards are put in place so that browsers will handle code in practically the same way so there is very little work involved in getting pages to work across all browsers and devices. And just to clarify to those who are new to the concept of standards, the recommended standards for CSS and (X)HTML date back several years and there are older versions of the standards as well (read: they've been around for a long, long, time.)

Unfortunately, the browser developers have been slacking on achieving compliance with the standards. The Web Standards Project (WaSP) and the inventor of CSS (Hakon Wium Lie - the chief technology officer at Opera Software) created a test that demonstrates all of the common problems with browser compliance. Once all of the browsers pass this test, a lot more of the features web designers use will be consistent across browsers and devices so our lives will be much easier.

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ty for the information, was needing some clarification on this :)

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i would never pay for a browser as there is no need to.there are ways around opera banners,version 9.0 is going to be called merlin and i will upgrade as soon as it comes out as i am an opera fan and now that it is free and no banners n stuff theres no more need for my good ol keygen.

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hmm nice improvements at new release... i wanted to ask should i installl new 8.5 over my 8.1 installation coz i have many alteratoinz...on Visualz, personal bar... notes.... and all i dont wana lost alll thet.... or i have to installl it seprately soo i dont lose alll thet setting... alll installing over the pervious wont gona hurt ?? :rolleyes:

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excus me

that kinda org. set up some "standards"/ test to fail all current browsers?

they 'd better also write their "standard" browser all the way.

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All browsers have bugs, and Acid2 was created specifically to break in all current browsers.

And by the way, Opera's own CTO is one of the people behind the test ;)

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hmm nice improvements at new release... i wanted to ask should i installl new 8.5 over my 8.1 installation coz i have many alteratoinz...on Visualz, personal bar... notes.... and all i dont wana lost alll thet.... or i have to installl it seprately soo i dont lose alll thet setting... alll installing over the pervious wont gona hurt ??  :rolleyes:

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don't worry it does not damage anything if u install over u previous Opera :cool:

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