Syphonic Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 (edited) Best to wait a bit and see how you like Vista and Office Vista. <- :shifty: From my experience with Vista there is now no reason for me to crave OS X or it's interface. Microsoft have done a great job so far, and it's not even close to being done. 586550707[/snapback] There's no trademark on Office Vista yet :p How about Office.NET? While the Office .NET patents were taken out in 2000 and some were abandoned in 2003, some are still alive for no apparent reason... Edited September 20, 2005 by Syphonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0z Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 There's no trademark on Office Vista yet :pHow about Office.NET? Word Mark OFFICE.NET Goods and Services (ABANDONED) IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. Filing Date: June 21, 2000 Abandonment Date: September 11, 2003 A name ressurection to come perhaps? 586550789[/snapback] Sure I know that. But remember Windows XP and Office XP? ;) So Windows Vista and Office Vista would make sense for marketing reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highsea Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 i'll be buying a mac so i can run all the os's my heart desires :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neocitron Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 remember OS X 10.5 Leopard will be out by then... and nobody has a fiddle diddle clue as to what 10.5 will look like or behave like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Even if Apple tries to lock OSX into their hardware it *will* be cracked. Of course, people who plan on dual-booting will have to make sure to have similar hardware, since there isn't going to be a wide variety of drivers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0z Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 i'll be buying a mac so i can run all the os's my heart desires :) 586550838[/snapback] You think Vista will install on Mac Hardware? :rolleyes: How charming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphonic Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 You think Vista will install on Mac Hardware? :rolleyes: How charming. 586550856[/snapback] Apple already said you would be able to install other operating systems on Intel Macs...why don't you think Vista will run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0z Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Apple already said you would be able to install other operating systems on Intel Macs...why don't you think Vista will run? 586550886[/snapback] Well there will be custom a custom BIOS / other Apple Firmware that will be specific to the hardware apple will use. Since that hardware is not out for public yet, Vista cannot be tested against it. So I doubt Microsoft will let Vista install on Apple Hardware just for that reason alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glitch409 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Not one of these things again. There are so many things wrong with these threads, I don't even know were to start. To start with, Vista is no were near finished. Second, I'm fairly sure that the OS X version that will come out at the same time(Leopard) is not even in development yet. Can't we just wait untill both have come out with recent finished products? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superrcat Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 (edited) Well there will be custom a custom BIOS / other Apple Firmware that will be specific to the hardware apple will use. Since that hardware is not out for public yet, Vista cannot be tested against it. So I doubt Microsoft will let Vista install on Apple Hardware just for that reason alone. 586551014[/snapback] Apple uses Open Firmware, but Open Firmware is not what will prevent a system from starting. Apple is using Intel's TPM technology. The hardware platform Apple will base its Intel line on is available publicly to Apple developers the same way technology is made available to Microsoft developers (like MSDN). Windows Vista will run on Intel Macs just fine. Edited September 20, 2005 by superrcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0z Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Apple uses Open Firmware, but Open Firmware is not what will prevent a system from starting. Apple is using Intel's TPM technology. The hardware platform Apple will base its Intel line on is available publicly to Apple developers the same way technology is made available to Microsoft developers (like MSDN). Windows Vista will run on Intel Macs just fine. 586551108[/snapback] Would you like to make a wager on that. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoogleNinja Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Would you like to make a wager on that. :laugh: 586551265[/snapback] Yes. I'm still not sure why you think Vista will not run on MacIntels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xUnix Posted September 20, 2005 Author Share Posted September 20, 2005 Not one of these things again. There are so many things wrong with these threads, I don't even know were to start. To start with, Vista is no were near finished. Second, I'm fairly sure that the OS X version that will come out at the same time(Leopard) is not even in development yet.Can't we just wait untill both have come out with recent finished products? ;) 586551064[/snapback] Maybe because we like to see ahead and also this is why they call this as "Discussion Boards".. to discuss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meamog Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 (edited) It sure doesn't make sense that MS would let a product that they sell work on a competitor's type of computer... :rolleyes: I know I want to buy a MacTel just so I can dual boot to XP or Vista, and how would selling more copies of their software hurt MS? Both companies would benefit. I don't think Apple is out to destroy MS anyway, if they were in the dominant position, they'd have to change their entire business model. Edited September 20, 2005 by meamog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Would you like to make a wager on that.?:laugh:: 586551265[/snapback] I'll bet a $25 donation to a not-for-profit organization <edit>or project</edit> or your choice that within 1 year of both Windows Vista (or whatever Microsoft calls their next release) and Intel based Macs both being available that Windows vista will be made to run on at least one Intel powered mac without emulations ala. VirtualPC or VMWare. Apple uses Open Firmware, but Open Firmware is not what will prevent a system from starting. The Intel macs will not use Open Firmware. For a reference see the Universal Binary Programming Guidelines, Chapter 5, section 19, midway down page 47. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highsea Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 It sure doesn't make sense that MS would let a product that they sell work on a competitor's type of computer... 586551321[/snapback] which is why they make vmware for osx? lol yea... :happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_jnr Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 You think Vista will install on Mac Hardware? :rolleyes: How charming. 586550856[/snapback] lol owned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malisk Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 XP ran pretty much hassle-free on the current OS X PC's as-is, which isn't something you can say about the reverse. I also don't really see why Vista wouldn't run. It's not like Apple using TPM technology will stop Vista from running, unless Microsoft starts actively checking for it and if detected stops the OS from running. But why on earth would MS explicitly want to not make their OS work on certain hardware? Sure, they may want to stop Apple from gaining market share, but I can not see the hassle for MS to actively guard it from these PC's being worth it, when it'll probably be so few anyway that bothers with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l77Il7H Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 mac osx is more refined. vista is just ms playing catch up game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgios Tsitouridis Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 It is really dissaponting how Mac users consider that Vista is infact a pretty version of XP, perhaps to them XP may have been a prettier version of Windows 3.1. I cannot actually understand the fact the Mac OS is richer in feature. I consider Mac OS to be a mature well built OS like Vista. In fact you sould take into account a HUGE problem of Mac OS. As you probably know 70% of this planet population DO NOT speak nativelly english. Therefore I cannot go for Mac OS, which still, after so many years of developement CANNOT nativelly support Greek. Therefore MS products are and will always be far more easy to use than those from Apple. Apple had promised native Greek support for Mac OS 10.5. Currently Greek users have to load greek fonts and 3rd party software to view Greek while they can only view documents from a specific version and up. All the older documents must be rewritten. Even on my PDA Microsoft had made sure that I can you Greek (God I love unicode) In order to type Greek I need to install a 4K app that gives me a greek keyboard. From now on though (Windows CE 5.0) Microsoft nativelly fully supports Greek. As a conclution I need to say that an OS is not the GUI. Check the other features as well (.....e.x. File System, Driver Management etc) and mostly inportant when compering systems, check their accessibility to others than english speakers. Other than the above I must say that both OSs are good once coming to us after years of developement and defenatelly both can offer what the average user need. Regarding GUI.... nice job Mac OS, but I'm a MS child........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotdog666al Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 That's of course apple doesnt tied up the their Hw to the OS. (with TPM, etc...)and assuming they will sell it to any PC. 586549481[/snapback] Hence the phrase "Cracking it for my PC" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proforma Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Era yes, but are you reallly saying XP is an as advanced OS as Tiger?I'm not a fanboy either way...but I think Tiger is advanced enough to be considered a next-gen OS when compared to XP. Leopard is where the fun will start. It could be Apple's chance to totally humiliate MS if they do it right. I'm not saying it will make a load of people run out and buy Mac, but it could make the tech community have a good laugh at MS's expense. If MS have spent all this time supposedly catching up to Tiger as some writers would have us believe, only for Leopard to race ahead with some really good features Microsoft will have to consider implementing a few years later then it might make some people think twice. 586550667[/snapback] I think it's going to be the other way around. If you check out channel9.msdn.com you will see some videos of things that they can talk about, there is a ton of stuff that they can't talk about that is going into the vista product and apple doesn't know about all of this yet. (way beyond just the new UI elements). Apple has to focus on moving over to x86 and I am sure there will be a few nice features, Microsoft will also be adding in features quickly after Vista. Beta 2 release will be most of the features shown and then Release Canidate will show the very remaining few. I think a lot of people here will be suprised (the ones that don't watch the channel 9 videos) as there is a lot of good information there and that is where I will leave that. :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicburns Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 At least gonna try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ic1male Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Apple may finally introduce a resolution-independent GUI with Leopard and enable all the Quartz stuff for GPU. It is interesting to note that to get Vista's full eye candy you will need a 256Mb graphics card. I wonder why Apple's Quartz stuff only has 16Mb as minimum! Anyway, what else is left to come on Vista's GUI? Are we going to see animated icons and things? Is build 5219 using the graphics card and DirectX to draw the GUI already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 (edited) Era yes, but are you reallly saying XP is an as advanced OS as Tiger? 586550667[/snapback] Hell no! Windows XP feels dated next to Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger. I think it's going to be the other way around. (...)Apple has to focus on moving over to x86 and I am sure there will be a few nice features, Microsoft will also be adding in features quickly after Vista. Beta 2 release will be most of the features shown and then Release Canidate will show the very remaining few. 586552392[/snapback] Not to burst your bubble or anything but every Mac OS X release to date has been compiled for both x86 and PPC, so it's not like Apple is new to the x86 world. Secondly who says Leopard is something they just started working on? Tiger's Spotlight feature for example had been under development since 2001, but it wasn't until 2005 that the first Mac OS X version shipped with it. Edited September 20, 2005 by neoWave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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