Vista vs OSX for Intel


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It is really dissaponting how Mac users consider that Vista is infact a pretty version of XP, perhaps to them XP may have been a prettier version of Windows 3.1. I cannot actually understand the fact the Mac OS is richer in feature. I consider Mac OS to be a mature well built OS like Vista.

In fact you sould take into account a HUGE problem of Mac OS. As you probably know 70% of this planet population DO NOT speak nativelly english. Therefore I cannot go for Mac OS, which still, after so many years of developement CANNOT nativelly support Greek.

Therefore MS products are and will always be far more easy to use than those from Apple. Apple had promised native Greek support for Mac OS 10.5. Currently Greek users have to load greek fonts and 3rd party software to view Greek while they can only view documents from a specific version and up. All the older documents must be rewritten.

Even on my PDA Microsoft had made sure that I can you Greek (God I love unicode) In order to type Greek I need to install a 4K app that gives me a greek keyboard. From now on though (Windows CE 5.0) Microsoft nativelly fully supports Greek.

As a conclution I need to say that an OS is not the GUI. Check the other features as well (.....e.x. File System, Driver Management etc) and mostly inportant when compering systems, check their accessibility to others than english speakers.

Other than the above I must say that both OSs are good once coming to us after years of developement and defenatelly both can offer what the average user need.

Regarding GUI.... nice job Mac OS, but I'm a MS child........

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Who the hell wants other language then English. It's like watching the Chinese movie, and the voices are replace by German speaking people. It looks retarded....Same for OS. There is no way to translate rightly certain words and options from English to other language. Dude, learn English if you want to learn computers...

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Who the hell wants other language then English. It's like watching the Chinese movie, and the voices are replace by German speaking people. It looks retarded....Same for OS. There is no way to translate rightly certain words and options from English to other language. Dude, learn English if you want to learn computers...

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thats by far the STUPIDEST thing ive ever read on neowin. i mean im english.. but who the hells to say english is any better then any other language and should be the only languaeg available to people who want to use computers?

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Who the hell wants other language then English. It's like watching the Chinese movie, and the voices are replace by German speaking people. It looks retarded....Same for OS. There is no way to translate rightly certain words and options from English to other language. Dude, learn English if you want to learn computers...

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Wow.

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If you compare Windows and OSX from a UI or visual standpoint, OSX is always better. I'm glad that MS has finally improved on the display driver model so the OS takes advantage of the GPU to enhance the look and feel of the UI. Hopefully, this will give Vista the same or better UI compare to OSX. I hope PCs will also get rid of BIOS also, so when you boot up, you never see any text screen or nasty 256 color loading screens. Its 2005 and not 1995, we should see everything in true colors.

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If you compare Windows and OSX from a UI or visual standpoint, OSX is always better. I'm glad that MS has finally improved on the display driver model so the OS takes advantage of the GPU to enhance the look and feel of the UI. Hopefully, this will give Vista the same or better UI compare to OSX. I hope PCs will also get rid of BIOS also, so when you boot up, you never see any text screen or nasty 256 color loading screens. Its 2005 and not 1995, we should see everything in true colors.

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Pretty much what I think. I'm glad to see Microsoft improving the OS. I am especially glad that the file manager gives the user a lot more information and a lot more control.

I doubt I'll switch back to Windows when Vista is released because I love OS X so much but if it does dual boot on Mactel's I wouldn't mind running both.

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Apple may finally introduce a resolution-independent GUI with Leopard and enable all the Quartz stuff for GPU. It is interesting to note that to get Vista's full eye candy you will need a 256Mb graphics card. I wonder why Apple's Quartz stuff only has 16Mb as minimum!

Quartz Extreme does a lot lot less than Vista promises, it's really only handling compositing of GL textures that are rendered out by the CPU. Apple's new technologies depend more on GPU features than memory at this point but performance improves with video RAM. There's no reason Microsoft has to /require/ 256 MB of video memory (after all, Quake 3 will run on less) for anything but performance reasons. It could be as simple as Microsoft wanting to set a higher minimum standard for performance of their UI.

Quartz 2D Extreme (in 10.4 but currently disabled by default) moves pretty much all drawing to the GPU using OpenGL and adds support for thing like view retention, font pre-rendering & caching, etc. I hesitate to compare Quartz 2D Extreme and Vista's GUI rendering/drawing sub-system directly because neither are finished. My understanding is that both will at least require DirectX9 level hardware (ARB Fragment Program 2.0 in OpenGL speak). Quartz 2D Extreme will run on as little as 64 MB of RAM but performance really improves with more memory. At first glance the hardware requirements don't look that different - but again, neither technology is finished.

Anyway, what else is left to come on Vista's GUI? Are we going to see animated icons and things?

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Spit and polish.

Apple didn't add a whole lot of functionality to Quartz 2D between 10.2 and 10.3 but you will notice that the 10.3 UI is significantly more refined. Little things like the "zoom+fading icons" when you launch documents or programs, cube rotation for fast user switching, etc. really work to 'sell' the OS X user interface experience. 10.4 added a whole bunch of really powerful graphical wizardry but we have yet to see it much outside of dashboard and the slideshows in spotlight/mail/etc. I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple put Core Image units to work throughout Aqua just because they can (even though I hope they don't).

I would expect to see the same thing from Microsoft wrt. to the next Windows assuming they're serious about putting OS X to shame in the "GUI fanciness" department.

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Anyone know if there will be a new look? Like what happened between vista and xp?

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It's not going to change dramatically according to the people who are making it.

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