Beta 2: What to expect


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I am a little Skeptical about it, all the demos we saw, show this interface, and all the concepts showed were based on this. Its ok, i hoped better icons and stuff, but that not really important. I really looking forward to the new Search and organization features to be complete, better support for 64bit and multicore CPU's, and more stability..Beta 1 still has too many issues

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I STILL don't understand why people are worked up about the UI, IT CAN BE CHANGED PEOPLE. Everyone should be looking forward to such things like the hot-patching, the new networking stack, having to input a password when admin rights a required, the new driver model and even smaller things like the data transfer rate (in KB or MB/sec) when cutting or copying something. I would rather Microsoft take time it doing some major core OS work then just what people want in a UI.

PS: I read something about Microsoft doing something with the registry a LONG time ago are they still going to do something about it?

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you are so right. people talk about new start buttons, media player ui etc like it matters.... most of them are going to change it anyway after its out. :rolleyes:

as for registry i hope it will be gone. did then not say so? eg storing all settings for programs in the directory where the program is?

now that would be sweet (though that would remove the need to install, and you could distribute already installed software between people without original install cd - piracy risk, no?)

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as for registry i hope it will be gone. did then not say so?  eg storing all settings for programs in the directory where the program is?

now that would be sweet (though that would remove the need to install, and you could distribute already installed software between people without original install cd - piracy risk, no?)

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I want them to ONLY make the OS read/write to the registry and all other programs store their settings in their application folders. As for legacy programs they could use a 'Virtual' registry that has no affect on the system in any which way shape or form. As for registration, that could be tricky. But I'm sure they will find a way around that.

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i expect alot more reasons to switch to Mac Os X for intel :)

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and have fun buying apples lame hardware..... just dont fore see apple ever opening os x to the public for any x86 installation being it on a amd or intel platform.

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apples hardware isn't lame austin

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well its one of the reasons why i dont even buy apple, i hate there hardware.. im running the os x x86 on my pc and love it.. but you know apple just doesn't relize the community and the money of the x86 community they could take from microsoft, heck id be the first in line to purchase a copy of os x x86 if i could. :laugh:

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A new UI?! :blink:

Even the guys interviewed on Channel9 told us that the Vista look featured in build 5219 is more or less final, it will be tweaked a bit more but that's it.

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i have to say that i hoped for a far more good looking an innovative IU. I understand that they gave developer the tools to make groundbreaking apps, but looking back at the first few Avalon demos and concepts i hoped for more.

I do love the way u can put a lot of meta data to files so u can organize them in many many ways. the supperfecht, frezze-dry (or something) technoly are pretty cool to. The new security features, well some of them I like, and other not..but hey..not every computer user is a sick fanatic that spend 15 hours a day in front of the screen. :)

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A new UI?! :blink:

Even the guys interviewed on Channel9 told us that the Vista look featured in build 5219 is more or less final, it will be tweaked a bit more but that's it.

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yeah , know what ? many people are very disappointed with the " new ui". its m$ own fault , cause as usual things are overhyped and can't be delivered , as the m$guy in the "vista audiofeatures" video said . where is the most beautiful , blow people away ui after how many years of development ?

yes , the refined ui is looking good ( in my opinion ) , and with the integrated search and the sidebar it has added functionality , but thats it.

i think the disappointment is understandable .........

btw : here is that audio vid ( listen to what the critical guy has to say ...)

http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=116347

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A new UI?! :blink:

Even the guys interviewed on Channel9 told us that the Vista look featured in build 5219 is more or less final, it will be tweaked a bit more but that's it.

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Look man. I'm going to say this once.

Kam isn't going to reveal what they're doing. But think : So the windows will look like that. I like glass; I can enjoy glass windows. The start bar is obviously going to look very different than it does now. Beta 2 will show us more.

Anyone that's used Vista for more than 10 minutes can attest that they'd rather have Vista than XP. I would; after all it's got all kinds of great stuff OTHER than the UI. Much smoother and nicer colors than XP. Goodbye Yellow balloons ! I won't miss you ! :happy:

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Am i the only one thinking that the new full Glass Experiance will be shown in Beta 2 to stop others *cough Apple cough* from ripping it off. What we have seen is Glass Express, the one designed as the mid end UI, bottom end UI being Xp-like style...

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http://www.longhornblogs.com/mrusso/archiv...9/16/14673.aspx

I'm not surprised you didn't know about it; no news sites that I know of have picked that up, even though it's such a huge deal  :huh:.

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User Mode Driver Framework: some drivers could be loaded in user mode and video drivers are. No more BSOD for these drivers but a graceful restart. So you can install a buggy beta of your favorite video drivers without worrying too much to loose the precious blog entry that you're writing. I'd like to know more about how this works and what are pro-cons of that.

Scheduled File I/O: there is a prioritization queue of I/O request, and as I understand it can be tied to thread priority (or to a particular IO thread priority, decoupled from the CPU thread priority). I waited this single feature since Windows NT 4.0  If it works as I expect, a paging background application don't bother you anymore (except for the battery consumption if you're using a laptop). Great improvement in productivity.

:woot:

You made my day with those 2 features I didn't even know about.

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Look man. I'm going to say this once.

Kam isn't going to reveal what they're doing. But think : So the windows will look like that. I like glass; I can enjoy glass windows. The start bar is obviously going to look very different than it does now. Beta 2 will show us more.

Anyone that's used Vista for more than 10 minutes can attest that they'd rather have Vista than XP. I would; after all it's got all kinds of great stuff OTHER than the UI. Much smoother and nicer colors than XP. Goodbye Yellow balloons ! I won't miss you !  :happy:

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Look man. I'm going to say this once too.

I was referring to the first page where the starter of this thread told us there will be an entire new theme. I don't really believe that and I wasn't giving an opinion about anything.

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yeah , know what ?  many people are very disappointed with the " new ui". its m$ own fault , cause as usual things are overhyped and can't be delivered , as the m$guy in the "vista audiofeatures" video said . where is the most beautiful , blow people away ui after how many years of development ? 

yes , the refined ui is looking good ( in my opinion ) , and with the integrated search and the sidebar it has added functionality , but thats it.

i think the disappointment is understandable .........

btw : here is that audio vid ( listen to what the critical guy has to say ...)

http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=116347

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They still cannot get that in there heads. Most of these "enthusiast" see a pretty little Director demo and photoshop mockup and they immediately fall into a trance, its sad. Anyway, we will just have to wait and see. I do hope there are some surprises coming ui wise, but I just believe that it will not be as out of this world as it was thought out to be in the first place.

People still don't realize that Microsoft's development process has changed, if Microsoft had something spectacular planned for beta 2 ui wise, a 5 second glimpse of it would have been shown at PDC creating stronger anticipation.

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Am i the only one thinking that the new full Glass Experiance will be shown in Beta 2 to stop others *cough Apple cough*  from ripping it off. What we have seen is Glass Express, the one designed as the mid end UI, bottom end UI being Xp-like style...

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your not the only one ;)

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Am i the only one thinking that the new full Glass Experiance will be shown in Beta 2 to stop others *cough Apple cough*  from ripping it off. What we have seen is Glass Express, the one designed as the mid end UI, bottom end UI being Xp-like style...

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No. Aero metal is the middle tier and is what you consider Aero Express. Glass is still the highest tier.

113,  "Glass"
114,  "Aero Glass Color Scheme"
115,  "Express"
116,  "Metal Color Scheme"
117,  "To-Go"
118,  "Non-composited Color Scheme"

That's straight from 5219's aero.msstyle.

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I hope they have better Unicode and Non-Unicode support.

1. Switching user interface on the fly. Built-in MUI and users can switch to whatever language he/she wants. (like OS X)

2. No more non-unicode default language. Windows should be able to automatic detect the non-unicode program language and run. OR ASK the user if the program is not unicode (which like 99% are not unicode right now). AppLocale is a temporary solution and it's not always working. Also setting non-unicode to not English will make a lot display problem for non-Unicode English program (ex. "registered", "TM", and other special german, french characters etc. will not show up correctly if they're not in Unicode)

3. Make everything Unicode by default... that's why I love OS X...

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Finally someon with some sense.  The UI is NOT the big feature of Vista!  It's cosmetic an won't run on my card anyhow.

I am a lot more interested in the more important features.

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Ok why be so negative, just cause ppl are worried about the UI doesnt mean they dont have any sense, their are different ppl out there with they're own opinions, if they are worried about the UI let em, dont critisize them,

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and have fun buying apples lame hardware..... just dont fore see apple ever opening os x to the public for any x86 installation being it on a amd or intel platform.

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Why not, dont u think since OSX is a better os anyways and ppl know that dont u think if they release it to any x86pc that they will make MS look, dont u think they want MS to be put to shame.

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