HoochieMamma Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 This one :) 586593567[/snapback] What can be "accidentally hinted" from that? All I can see is a round start button and the media center button and some folder called digital locker :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malisk Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 (edited) :blink: Never, ever, ever, EVER reference slashdot and expect to be taken seriously. 586572865[/snapback] That's pretty sad of the Neowin community then. I mean, just because it was *posted* there (the source was the Wall Street Journal, with quotes to MS), doesn't mean it's bad. Nothing you will see in Vista....this is related to a future product 586574098[/snapback] No... http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,...2129TX1K0000535 Microsoft showed off the "Project M" technology during the Tuesday Professional Developers Conference (PDC) keynote. It turns out "M" stands for Max. Max is a sample Vista application that is available as a free download. Now, repeat after me: Project M is no mystical big deal. :rolleyes: Edited September 29, 2005 by Jugalator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmarE D Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 (edited) About the guy saying that there would be a new theme and you all saying there's not going to be one... Within the last like month and a half there was a thread and a link on the front page of Neowin about a Microsoft Chat that day. In the thread someone posted a transcript of the chat. Someone asked if there would be any Visual Styles made for Vista. I remember the actual Microsoft guy saying that they were working on a few and they will blow people away. I remember that very clearly. I'm nto saying this guy really works for Microsoft, I think it's obvious he doesn't. But I do remember reading that chat transcript were they said they were working on new themes. Then not long after reading that someone noticed some pics on Microsoft featuring a different Start button. When people noticed it Microsoft removed it but a few people here cought some screenshots. Isn't there a good chance that was one of the themes the guy mentioned in the chat? Oh and my favorites: "A black cat crossing your path signifies that the animal is going somewhere"......Groucho Marx "It's better to be a pirate than to join the Navy"......Steve Jobs "It's only pre-marital sex if you decide to get married afterwards"......George Burns "Yes madam I am drunk...But in the morning I'll be sober and you'll still be ugly"......Winston Churchill Edited September 29, 2005 by halloween_david Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neostyle Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Microsoft guy saying that they were working on a few and they will blow people away. don't they say that all the time ? i havn't seen anything in vista so far that have blown me away ,lol . and judging by the screens the new start button just looks gay ... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 What can be "accidentally hinted" from that? All I can see is a round start button and the media center button and some folder called digital locker :/ 586593593[/snapback] It was accidentally shown in a screenshot took by Microsoft, but it was later edited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted September 29, 2005 Veteran Share Posted September 29, 2005 Brandon LeBlanc from LonghornBlogs.com has posted: 586593413[/snapback] There will be changes, certainly. Even after beta 2 there will be some changes. How "major" they are is a matter of opinion. I say just wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGil Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 (edited) Is that your dog in your avatar? I love the pic and would like a bigger version if you don't mind sending me a copy. Also, I have some feature suggestions for Flip 3D and the new taskbar thumbnails. should I just submit them through the bug reporter in Beta 1 or build 5219 or is there a blog someplace where I can post my thoughts? What do you think of IE7's quick tabs versus the flip 3d way of switching windows? This, of course, is refering to each tab as if it were a separate window. I perfer the Quick Tab thing myself because it uses the point and click skill's I'm so used to as opposed to trying to essientially "aim" with the scroll wheel as you do with Flip 3D. I like the more unobstructed view of each window that I get from Quick Tabs as opposed to the Flip 3D view. Likewise, Flip 3D fails to use all of the available screen space so the windows are unnecessarily obstructed by other windows. Id the Shell team aware that Flip 3D is inferior in many ways to Quick Tabs in IE7 or Expose on the Mac? I'm curious as to why they think Flip 3D or the new alt-tab is better than using a system like Quick Tabs (we can call it "Quick View") on the desktop. Sorry... You can get back to your arguing now :D Edited September 30, 2005 by BGil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted September 30, 2005 Veteran Share Posted September 30, 2005 Regarding your comments about Flip 3D... One problem with something like Quick Tabs or Expose that's often mentioned is that the windows are significantly scaled, especially if you have many applications running at once. This might be less common for average users, tabs in the browser, or Mac users. But the problem is that you often can't make out important details in windows when they're scaled that much. What's worse, the windows in Expose are usually moved to seemingly random locations, destroying any concept of spatial memory. Personally, I think the more options we get in Vista the better. But I'm a power-user kind of person. Fortunately, whatever Vista leaves out, that's just an invitation for teams like mine to fill in the gaps :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGil Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 I don't see the scaling as a problem because we are only trying to identify the window not read its contents. If someone needs a larger preview to identify a window then there should be a rollover enlargement. When the user rolls over a window or hovers over one the window enlarges a bit. I think that would work. Either way, you have a both the application icon and the title of the window to help you identify each and every window. Ideally, you can still use the scroll wheel to move the selector from window to window but this make it much easier to aim when there are many windows. I don't know how many times I've been trying to use Flip 3D and just overshot the window I was looking for. It gets quite annoying after a while. Please excuse the "extremely" crude mock-up. It's missing a few parts like the titles for the new windows and such but take notice at how easy it is to pick out each and every window. Window thumbnails laid out in such a fashion can scale much more easily to the demand of power users who often have dozens of windows open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGil Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 I feel that as long as we have the title of the window and the icon of the app it belongs to then we have equaled the taskbar in effectiveness. The taskbar's main drawback is its poor ability to scale to meet the needs of users with lots of windows. It only uses a small portion of the screen and therefore it's very limited. Quikc View, OTOH uses the entire screen, provides everything that the taskbar does as well as giving you a preview of the all windows without the need to mouse over a taskbar button or scroll through them with the scroll wheel as with Flip 3D. I think this is a better solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y_notm Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 I feel that as long as we have the title of the window and the icon of the app it belongs to then we have equaled the taskbar in effectiveness. The taskbar's main drawback is its poor ability to scale to meet the needs of users with lots of windows. It only uses a small portion of the screen and therefore it's very limited. Quikc View, OTOH uses the entire screen, provides everything that the taskbar does as well as giving you a preview of the all windows without the need to mouse over a taskbar button or scroll through them with the scroll wheel as with Flip 3D.I think this is a better solution. 586598952[/snapback] You do know you can use the arrow keys instead of the scroll wheel for Flip3D, right? I've never had a problem hitting windows using that. And in future builds the key combo will change to (probably) WinKey+Tab and each time you press tab it will cycle through the windows a la alt-tab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGil Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 You do know you can use the arrow keys instead of the scroll wheel for Flip3D, right? I've never had a problem hitting windows using that. And in future builds the key combo will change to (probably) WinKey+Tab and each time you press tab it will cycle through the windows a la alt-tab. 586600148[/snapback] Yes, I know that but it's still much slower than Quick View or Expose. It's essentially like reading by following your finger over the page because your fingers are leading your eye. It's still hard to pick out which windows you want if the number of windows is very large. Try opening 30 windows and then use Flip 3D to find them, it's much slower than Expose because you have to look at windows (basically) one at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoochieMamma Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 It was accidentally shown in a screenshot took by Microsoft, but it was later edited. 586595139[/snapback] And waht exactly was hinted in the un-edited pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depakote Posted October 5, 2005 Author Share Posted October 5, 2005 (edited) Yes, I know that but it's still much slower than Quick View or Expose. 586602780[/snapback] I wouldn't go all the way to saying that anything is "slower" than Expose or Quick View... When beginning to program the new UI what we need to consider the fact that integrated graphics isn't going to cut it for more sophiticated interfaces... So from there, we need to consider just how much memory is going to need to be dedicated to this.. You can run your interface dependant on your video card if your memory is high enough.. My reccomendation, as I stated earlier, is at least 256mb of video ram.. By the time the product launches, will 256mb video cards won't cost that much anyway. The theory I think that is conflicting with some of you is that the requirements for Vista are much more than XP... The way I think of it is, look at the computer's which are for sale today at any computer outlet, then see how the specs of the new machines match up with the reccomended requirements for vista. I look back at XP and noticed people were sort of shocked by how much memory XP wanted -- there were even programs made to circumvent the memory check given by the installation :laugh:. But now, does anyone really complain about a measly 128mb of ram? I think not. :) At this point, Vista is maturing nicely, and as we get closer to RC's and RTM's, it get's much more easier to give sure fire answers to people... The way I like to think it is Beta is still experimenting in a way - there is always the chance something may change... While RC's are polishing, listening to responses from our Developer Network, fixing bugs, etc. Unlike previous releases of Windows, Vista's RC releases will also be sided with development of new online services.. There is a possibility Microsoft may be coming out with various subscription services by the time/shortly after Vista hits the shelves.. What I'm not sure of at the moment is how tightly these new "pay" services will be integrated with Vista... By earlier next year it'll be easier to tell for sure... My guess at the moment is alot of the online services may have a free trial when you purchase a (legal) copy of windows. You know the gig, credit card first, etc. etc. For instance, if you purchased vista "Ultimate" edition you may get a 1/2 year subscription to one care... Oh, this brings me to something else I should have mentioned earlier, there's a growing likelihood that serials may be binded to personal information/passport account. If you guys were worried about "call home" mechanisms in XP, I'de just not go on the internet at all if I were pirating... I wouldn't be suprised if RTM just locks and gives you a support number if you connect to the net with an invalid/stolen serial. :happy: Vista is going to be a great thing, worth every dime, but if you don't want to hand of the mullah, maybe you should just stick with XP. Heh, your welcome to do whatever you want, just don't fuss when your computer fusses at you! :p Edit: Typos! Edited October 5, 2005 by depakote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted October 6, 2005 Veteran Share Posted October 6, 2005 <----------- Again completely doubting that you work here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raskren Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 <----------- Again completely doubting that you work here. 586630610[/snapback] Yeah, me too. Everything that our "MS Developer" has said was prefixed with "maybe" and "might". Furthermore, nothing here isn't already available in press releases or other news circulating the internet. Hey depakote, what is your name, title and what building do you work in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depakote Posted October 7, 2005 Author Share Posted October 7, 2005 Hey depakote, what is your name, title and what building do you work in? 586633473[/snapback] I don't understand why people like you insist on spamming this thread and insighting flamewars. This isn't a skeptic thread, I'm giving you a preview of what to expect with the coming Vista operating system. Don't ruin this oppurtunity for everyone else. I said I wasn't going to release to you my identity 1 month or so ago, and I'll same the same today. I'm not representing Microsoft.. I'm giving you an "insider opinion". Try ruin this oppurtunity for everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted October 7, 2005 Veteran Share Posted October 7, 2005 Whatever dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malisk Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Whatever dude. 586635718[/snapback] If that's all you have to contribute to the thread, why even post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted October 7, 2005 Veteran Share Posted October 7, 2005 If that's all you have to contribute to the thread, why even post? 586636197[/snapback] Excuse me? I've been contributing to this thread for a while. Depakote has been spreading mis-information about Vista. A moderator previously said his IP comes from Illinois. So he's lying about working on the Vista team. If he does work for Microsoft in some capacity, any non-public information he shares would not only get him in trouble, but could jeopardize certain projects that need to be kept secret at this point for competitive reasons. I'm trying to make sure people don't think this non-sense he spreads is fact (for example, his claim that beta 2 will require 256MB of video memory). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCNaddict Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Excuse me?I've been contributing to this thread for a while. Depakote has been spreading mis-information about Vista. A moderator previously said his IP comes from Illinois. So he's lying about working on the Vista team. If he does work for Microsoft in some capacity, any non-public information he shares would not only get him in trouble, but could jeopardize certain projects that need to be kept secret at this point for competitive reasons. I'm trying to make sure people don't think this non-sense he spreads is fact (for example, his claim that beta 2 will require 256MB of video memory). 586638219[/snapback] did he ever say he worked on the vista team? I didnt read any such thing... scrap that. I just read the first page :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted October 7, 2005 Veteran Share Posted October 7, 2005 I am part of the development team of the actual core of Windows Codename Longhorn/Vista project, 586638251[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seafirex Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 i doubt that also, developers will never risk everythign jsut to comemnt on a question posted about vista..... what the he**, people think that web users are dumb or what????, even if we can let people tink we are somebody else, sometimes it can be obvious when people dont say the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCNaddict Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 586638255[/snapback] whoa quotes dont carry over :| haha anyways :p Why not, dont u think since OSX is a better os anyways and ppl know that dont u think if they release it to any x86pc that they will make MS look, dont u think they want MS to be put to shame. 586571953[/snapback] lmao, this one always (and I mean always) makes me laugh:microsoft bought 150million dollars in Apple stock back in 1997, and still owns the stock it purchased (thats why they make Office for mac ;)) for you non-believeing, apple cultists out there: its about 1/2 way down on this page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted October 7, 2005 Veteran Share Posted October 7, 2005 whoa quotes dont carry over :| haha anyways :p 586638299[/snapback] lol yeah that's By Design :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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