mrchetsteadman Posted October 11, 2005 Author Share Posted October 11, 2005 And therein lies the problem.? Too many people just copy pasting crap they read (or don't read...) on the internet, without actually THINKING about what people are saying.? One of my friends once said "The internet is 90% porn, 9% bull**** and 1% information", and he's entirely correct.And what exactly was "enough"?? My example only explained what happened, and the crazy logistics of what people are saying happened, there is obviously more that we could go over but..when people aren't reading and thinking about it, what is the point?? Is there anything in there where you think I was wrong?? Its simple logistics and physics and I'd happy to explain further if it manages to get the point across.? Then again, I may just decide that its not worth it because nobody is thinking, just echoing. Which video btw, theres about 20 of them in this thread. 586653774[/snapback] Nah, I dont think I explained in detail. What I mean is, I read enough of the post. I read it enough to know your train of thought and I was exactly right. No matter what I say, you are the type of person to refer to statistics... So instead of talking about something I know very little about, I want you to watch the documentary (Loose Change) and check out the facts in there. Then tell me what you think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiffle Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Nah, I dont think I explained in detail. What I mean is, I read enough of the post. I read it enough to know your train of thought and I was exactly right. No matter what I say, you are the type of person to refer to statistics... So instead of talking about something I know very little about, I want you to watch the documentary (Loose Change) and check out the facts in there. Then tell me what you think... 586654997[/snapback] I say you're a bunch of tin foil hat wearers, you ask me to give a reason. I give a reason, you read part of it, choose to ignore it because you don't know much about what amounts to high school physics, and then tell me to watch some documentary (which I'm downloading, I'll watch it this weekend maybe). I don't see the point really, you're never going to read what I am saying anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason S. Global Moderator Posted October 11, 2005 Global Moderator Share Posted October 11, 2005 [Thread Moved to Area 51, Hanger 101]C-Squarez asked my opinion so here we go... I am not going to click on the link. Even though I am not an American and the 9/11 attacks were not directed at my country, I still feel kind of disturbed that people would suggest that the US government would stage an attack on their own citizens as part of some greater plot.? For what I can see, America has a long history of mucking about in other parts of the world without ever needing to stage an attack on itself.? Why start now? 586382706[/snapback] the US elite (wasnt even the government) didnt just start with 9/11. every major event in history was caused by the elite. Attack on Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, American Civil War, the War for Independence, the War of 1812, all of them. Oklahoma City bombing was another staged attack. All fake. (ok, not fake, they happened, but they were staged by the elite and blamed on the "evildoers") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted October 11, 2005 Veteran Share Posted October 11, 2005 Lol. So what was thier intention for doing the OKC bombing? What did they gain at that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 the US elite (wasnt even the government) didnt just start with 9/11. every major event in history was caused by the elite. Attack on Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, American Civil War, the War for Independence, the War of 1812, all of them. Oklahoma City bombing was another staged attack. All fake. (ok, not fake, they happened, but they were staged by the elite and blamed on the "evildoers") 586656667[/snapback] :laugh: :D :laugh: :D :rofl: please dude, take the tin foil hat off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted October 12, 2005 Veteran Share Posted October 12, 2005 Well, he is right everything major has been caused be the "elite" of society, whether before hand or by self determination, the question is was it fraudulently or not? The only ones I could say have a conspiratorial tone to them are the attack on Pearl Harbor and Gulf of Tonkin, and Pearl Harbor can't really be on that list as a definite more as a maybe. I'd say Pearl Harbor can be compared to 9/11 rather nicely and is completely relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyClaw Veteran Posted October 18, 2005 Veteran Share Posted October 18, 2005 well im watching the loose change thing, and well it is interesting and plausable, but im not sure if i believe it. the pentagon attack, well i have always thought that something was up there, wtc, not really i think what happened happened. do i think the us government is totally innocent when it comes to this? no, not in the least but i do feel that essentially what has been said is pretty much the truth. in the end we will never know for sure, i think it is interesting and i continually have an open mind when it comes to stuff like this, thats why i said not sure, because im not. the only thing that gets me is, if this was all one huge conspiracy, then where are the people from those flights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiffle Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Well, I had time to watch a little bit of the loose change thing. It was odd. Quite a few things about what they are suggesting didn't make sense to me...at all. Just a couple off the top of my head: 1. If you're going to fly a plane into a building, why would you go through the trouble to make it fire a missile at the building milliseconds before hitting it? It would increase the chances of getting caught (obviously, since we're discussing it), and really wouldn't do a whole lot more for whatever cause. 2. If for some reason firing a missile into a building before you hit it with an airplane made sense, why would you do it on 2 buildings. Everyone knows that as soon as the first one gets hit, every camera in the area is going to be trained on the two buildings, making getting caught all the more likely. I would think anybody with the intelligence/connections to plan such an attack without anybody having a clue about it would not overlook this small issue. 3. If that wasn't a passenger jet, where are the people who got onto the real plane? 4. Some of the things said were very very much based on assumptions. For instance, when he describes the fireball when the plane hit, he says the majority of the fuel burned up in that fireball. How does he know that? I'm betting that if that fireball had all the fuel from the plane in it, it would be much much much bigger. Remember, these planes were barely 10 minutes out from their original airport, and were fully fueled for flying across the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyClaw Veteran Posted October 18, 2005 Veteran Share Posted October 18, 2005 right whiffle, im not really sure what i think now, i just finished watching it. i still cant get over the fact as to where the people are, did they just go out and murder them or what? right now im not sure what to think, because as biased and suggesting that video was, it did bring up a bunch of solid facts taht cant be disputed. i wish someone wit some time on their hands would go and research the facts thrown out like the temperature and the report on bin laden, etc and see if its true because a bunch of that could have been made up or photoshopped. but regardless a bunch of it was fact and it is interesting, im not sure where i stand now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiffle Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Its like global warming, UFO at Area 51 and all the other theories out there. There is no solid proof, one way or the other. There is no definite smoking gun here that points to some conspiracy. All we know is that this happened, and there were some very strange things that happened, that can be explained in many different ways. Explain it all one way and it adds up to a conspiracy, explain it the other way and it adds up to something entirely different. We have websites that added it up in the conspiracy fashion, and we have other people who added up in other ways altogether. We can speculate and discuss all we want, but we'll never reach a conclusion, solve anything, or bring about any change by going back and forth over some videos posted on a website. The only way we'll ever get something of value or bring about change is if some miraculous piece of evidence pops up and changes everything. An example would be a piece of a missile found in the rubble, which would most definitly raise questions. I'm past worrying about it, I've come to the conclusion that no matter what this thread (or any thread like it) decides about the video, or what I think about the whole thing, in the grand scheme of things it won't mean a thing. The earth will still spin and orbit around the sun, under the table deals will continue, Nike will continue to pay more than to Michael Jordan than to all of the workers who make the shoes that he promotes, and I still have homework due tommarow. Life isn't fair, never has been and never will be. It doesn't make it any less interesting to discuss though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lqv2015 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Well I'm still undecided on what really to think. Because hoax or not, neither side has a good explanation of everything. Like why fly a missle to the Pentagon when you can fly a plane to it like both WTC. And if the terrorists were spotted all over the globe, then who was flying those planes to the WTC? Remote control? If that was so, then why not the Pentagon too? Guess we'll never know the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remix17 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Like why fly a missle to the Pentagon when you can fly a plane to it like both WTC. 586692217[/snapback] What if the missile was not fired by terrorists in the firts place ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchetsteadman Posted October 19, 2005 Author Share Posted October 19, 2005 right whiffle, im not really sure what i think now, i just finished watching it. i still cant get over the fact as to where the people are, did they just go out and murder them or what? right now im not sure what to think, because as biased and suggesting that video was, it did bring up a bunch of solid facts taht cant be disputed. i wish someone wit some time on their hands would go and research the facts thrown out like the temperature and the report on bin laden, etc and see if its true because a bunch of that could have been made up or photoshopped. but regardless a bunch of it was fact and it is interesting, im not sure where i stand now... 586691388[/snapback] Its like global warming, UFO at Area 51 and all the other theories out there. There is no solid proof, one way or the other. There is no definite smoking gun here that points to some conspiracy. All we know is that this happened, and there were some very strange things that happened, that can be explained in many different ways. Explain it all one way and it adds up to a conspiracy, explain it the other way and it adds up to something entirely different. We have websites that added it up in the conspiracy fashion, and we have other people who added up in other ways altogether. We can speculate and discuss all we want, but we'll never reach a conclusion, solve anything, or bring about any change by going back and forth over some videos posted on a website. The only way we'll ever get something of value or bring about change is if some miraculous piece of evidence pops up and changes everything. An example would be a piece of a missile found in the rubble, which would most definitly raise questions.I'm past worrying about it, I've come to the conclusion that no matter what this thread (or any thread like it) decides about the video, or what I think about the whole thing, in the grand scheme of things it won't mean a thing. The earth will still spin and orbit around the sun, under the table deals will continue, Nike will continue to pay more than to Michael Jordan than to all of the workers who make the shoes that he promotes, and I still have homework due tommarow. Life isn't fair, never has been and never will be. It doesn't make it any less interesting to discuss though. 586691685[/snapback] I love you guys! You may be the only people that feel the way I do. The whole damn thing is confusing. I have no idea what to think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lqv2015 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 What if the missile was not fired by terrorists in the firts place ? 586694543[/snapback] I was implying that it was fired by our own government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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