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Why I won't use Netscape


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Yeah yeah, only a couple posts, I know; I never read the boards. Anyway, back in the n00b days, I remember seeing that Netscape 6 was released. I d/led it to see if it was any good, and (not surprisingly) it wasn't: pictures were all over the place, text was misaligned, and all HTML was basically screwed up. When I noticed 6.1 or 6.01 or whatever, I thought that I might give that a try. The bugs were still there. Now that they've skipped versions to 7.0 (which all companies do) with basically a Mozilla 1.0 with Netscape's name on it, I'm not interested in trying it out. IE works fine for me. Plus, I don't really want to spend all that 56k bandwidth on it.

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well for me, IE was using 16mb of ram, and moz was using 21mb. that's fine with me, considering Moz has better features. not much sense in comparing size when mozilla can do much more.

*edit* correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the reason that Moz can't load all sites because people code sites for IE, and IE doesn't conform to internet standards. that way, people thing Moz/ns sucks, and then switch to IE, so they have even more dominance.

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Originally posted by StOnD

Despite the fact that the explorer code is loaded with the OS, the browser actually uses about 12 MB of ram(as reported by TASK MANAGER) when running. Good luck convincing anyone that Mozilla uses less.

You should also add on the memory that explorer.exe uses then, too.

Light weight happens to be what I like. No BS, just the browser.
Should you be using dillo then? :right:
more code to load=MORE BLOAT

Wow, then I guess windows is one line of code and 44,999,999 lines of bloat :ermm:

Mozilla is 9.8MB download size as compared to IE's 8MB because Mozilla is portable code, something most people can't seem to grasp. IE is not portable. It had to be COMPLETELY REWRITTEN in order to get it to work on a Mac.

And your lack of need for a Mail client with your browser doesn't mean the browser is crap, it just mean's it isn't suited for you.

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Originally posted by BroChaos

well for me, IE was using 16mb of ram, and moz was using 21mb. that's fine with me, considering Moz has better features. not much sense in comparing size when mozilla can do much more.

*edit* correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the reason that Moz can't load all sites because people code sites for IE, and IE doesn't conform to internet standards. that way, people thing Moz/ns sucks, and then switch to IE, so they have even more dominance.

You're right, Bro. More web designers code for IE becasue more peope use it. MS beat Netscape in Browser Wars 1. Whether they did it fair and square is another issue. I think they did because IE4 was way better than NS4 IMHO.

The way things are going, It seems we are looking at Browser Wars 2 very shortly. I'd bet dollars to pay that MS comes out on top again.

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Originally posted by StOnD

The way things are going, It seems we are looking at Browser Wars 2 very shortly. I'd bet dollars to pay that MS comes out on top again.

Probably because people won't be arsed to download another browser if there is one "conveniently" already on their desktop.

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Originally posted by Hatter

You should also add on the memory that explorer.exe uses then, too.

Should you be using dillo then? :right:

Wow, then I guess windows is one line of code and 44,999,999 lines of bloat :ermm:

Mozilla is 9.8MB download size as compared to IE's 8MB because Mozilla is portable code, something most people can't seem to grasp. IE is not portable. It had to be COMPLETELY REWRITTEN in order to get it to work on a Mac.

And your lack of need for a Mail client with your browser doesn't mean the browser is crap, it just mean's it isn't suited for you.

Explorer.exe is loaded whether you use Mozilla, IE or whatever else. This issue is moot.

Yes, windows is bloated too, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that.

I use Evolution and Outlook for mail. F*** the integrated mail clients.

F*** portable code. You want a cross-platform app you write it for all platforms. It makes a slimmer product that is more compatible if you don't rush through development. This issue is moot.

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Originally posted by Hatter

Probably because people won't be arsed to download another browser if there is one "conveniently" already on their desktop.

Score one for IE then

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s0ldats, Consider yourself corrected. Mosaic was prolly the first graphical browser. When Netscape Navigator came out, there were prolly about 20 browsers (that's just for the PC) in the market. Navigator, however, was by far the most stable and usable browser at the time. Personally, I prefer, and have used, IE since 5.01. If you want less bloat, I would go with Opera or Mozilla.

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Originally posted by StOnD

You want a cross-platform app you write it for all platforms. It makes a slimmer product that is more compatible if you don't rush through development. This issue is moot.

**** if i'm wrong, but you don't know a lot, do you? You're saying that a cross-platform app is less compatible?

And mozilla was not rushed through development. It's taken 4 years to get where it is because they TOOK THEIR TIME and rewrote the whole browser because NS4 was such utter crap.

And a non-portable app is not necessarily slimmer than a portable one. The source code is bigger, but the binaries end up being about the same size since the source code is segmented to use native widgets for each platform based on the compiling environment.

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Originally posted by Hatter

**** if i'm wrong, but you don't know a lot, do you? You're saying that a cross-platform app is less compatible?

And mozilla was not rushed through development. It's taken 4 years to get where it is because they TOOK THEIR TIME and rewrote the whole browser because NS4 was such utter crap.

And a non-portable app is not necessarily slimmer than a portable one. The source code is bigger, but the binaries end up being about the same size since the source code is segmented to use native widgets for each platform based on the compiling environment.

You write an app specifically for a platform, it is more compatible with that platform IF you take your time in writing it for that platform, smartass.

File sizes will vary based on platform.

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yo!.. YO!

take a step back

take a breather and look at what your writing here, people. its a BROWSER. you are using up to much of your brainpower trying to bash other people based on their PERSONAL PREFERENCES. to me --> thats hateful.

these posts have no point and are not going to make people change their mind and switch your preference.

just settle and realize how big of fools your making yourselves to be.

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Originally posted by lazydesert

yo!.. YO!

take a step back

take a breather and look at what your writing here, people. its a BROWSER. you are using up to much of your brainpower trying to bash other people based on their PERSONAL PREFERENCES. to me --> thats hateful.

these posts have no point and are not going to make people change their mind and switch your preference.

just settle and realize how big of fools your making yourselves to be.

OK, let's call it a friendly debate and end it right here.

No hard feelings, right Hatter?

At least I got a little boost to my post count.

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well besides the name calling, it was very informative. now, any way i can get moz to NEVER open a new window? :p

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Originally posted by Scorbing

Mozilla, Netscape and IE 6 all suck. Get Opera. You will really see the difference in speed.

the mouse gesture feature is totally a killer

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And so it goes on... Seems like the browser war started again. And that's good. As long as the arguments are informative and not personally directed. This will hopefully lead to more choice and standard HTML pages... well, one can alway's dream right ? ;)

I do hope that it is clear to those who participated that Mozilla can not be discounted of hand. It is worth to try out. But it is an completly other application than IE.

You will have to get to know it. You will not be alone in this however, there are news groups and FAQ's abound. And as you have seen, a small part of the Mozilla community is hanging around at NeoWin too. :p

For more info and help you can go to the Mozilla start page. It is here:

http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.0/

From there you can find you way to most of the answers you have., in the newsgroups at secnews.netcape.com.

Don't forget, this is a secure news server so set your news server port to 563. For more specific Mozilla questions you can join: news.mozilla.org.

BroChaos: the latest builds of Mozilla do allow opening new windows when links direct you to them. In all other cases right click a link and choose "open in new window" from the menu. For more detailed info, is this behaiviour to stay?, When will it change again?, you can visit the newsgroups at usenet or the forum at : http://www.mozillazine.org/

If anybody has any questions about Mozilla/Netscape 7.0_PR1 feel free to ask. I am sure someone will popup with the knowledge you need.

God!! I love a good debate!!! :old:

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Originally posted by stuckwithme247

netscape has sucked since 6.0, when aol bought them

yes yes very tru..now it asll this extra **** and good looking stuff u dont need..really slows it down a bit :s

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Originally posted by BroChaos

well besides the name calling, it was very informative. now, any way i can get moz to NEVER open a new window? :p

Nor I, either it'll open other windows or just open in the same window, sans the tab. And I got a problem with Java pages, ie yahoo, but I think it's cause they suck, but I'm still using IE. Givin another revision or two this will be a killer browser

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i personally use mozilla 1.1, its stable, fast and loads pages 10 times faster than ie. Hell, it even loaded hotmail in roughly 2 seconds compared to ie's 10. Now thats pretty bad. Plus sites that are graphically intensive, such as deviantART load much faster on mozilla. I've been browsing devart for a while this morning. Im still waiting for ie.

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Yea AOL lost about half of netscape 12% market share by releasing Netscape 6 to early but After Netscape 6.1 (not 6.01) every thin is fine. And Netscape 7 beats IE By having those tabs

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