Special forces duke out


Who's the hardest ?  

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  1. 1. Who's the hardest ?

    • The SAS
      20
    • The SBS
      3
    • Grenzschutzgruppen 9
      1
    • The Royal Commandos
      0
    • Ranger Recon
      0
    • Spetsnaz
      7
    • Delta Force
      7
    • US Navy Seals
      8
    • The Foreign Legion
      4
    • Some other team not listed here
      10


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**** MILES, stupid freaking MILES system, I hate that crap. Any system that allows you to hide behind a shrub and "survive" 300 rounds from a M-240 because the laser can't get past the foliage is useless.

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**** MILES, stupid freaking MILES system, I hate that crap.  Any system that allows you to hide behind a shrub and "survive" 300 rounds from a M-240 because the laser can't get past the foliage is useless.

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That is when the 240 isn't binding up from having the improper type of blanks loaded. ;)

Obviously some on here know little about Spetsnaz.

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...well, I dont know about that, but I do know that JTF-2 snipers can hold their own against snipers from all the worlds special-services.

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I think its a Canadian regular infantry-man that has the longest sniper shot ever on record while serving in Afghanistan... hit a terrorist in a moving truck some 3 miles away using a .50 cal rifle (gun and caliber bullet makes the difference too I think and the .50 I don't think was in a rifle until the 1990s ish). Its one hell of a shot either way as if you move the sight less than a hair at that distance the shot will be off a few feet I'm sure.

I'm not going to answer the survey though. I don't care who would win. They are all very brave people fighting for everyone's freedom. No matter what force you're in the dangers are all the same. I would say from the sense of exposure to mother nature, the SEALS have it the toughest though. I just read a book by Eric Haney on Delta Force (he was a founding member) very interesting read and I think eye opening. He mentions during the traning that one guy had litterally no sole on his feet and the skin had literally peeled off from all the hiking. Poor guy was bandaged up for a couple of weeks.

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DELTA does not exist.  I was stationed on fort bragg where the infamous delta "compound" exists.  Regardless, there is no "known" unit.  Either way, this thread is silliness...

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Suuuuuure.

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That is when the 240 isn't binding up from having the improper type of blanks loaded.  ;)

Obviously some on here know little about Spetsnaz.

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Um no? The MILES laser is a line of sight system, if the laser can hit it it's good, if it can't it's not. As long as the little light is going off when you fire you can tell it's "firing", the problem is if you can't get the laser past what they're hiding behind it's useless. Now I might have been exagerating with the shrub but it could be anything like a small tree or something, something that a 240 should be able to cut down if you wanted to throw enough rounds at it it still wont get them. The laser will not penetrate it. It's even more absurd the "cover" you can hide behind while using a mounted weapon like the 50cal on the back of a humvee.

And with the type of precision that nothing but the best teams in the world would want, how often are we going to allow them to recalibrate the laser?

Delta exists, there's a nice little stamp for Delta alongside the Ranger and Airborne stamp when you get your airborne physical.

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DELTA does not exist. I was stationed on fort bragg where the infamous delta "compound" exists. Regardless, there is no "known" unit. Either way, this thread is silliness...

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I used to be a military weapons instructor. I know exactly what you're talking about mAcOdIn. For awhile they were trying to issue out the old-style M-60 7.62 blanks for the 240, and it would improperly feed without a modified feed ramp...or we would have to file it down so the flat tip of the blanks wouldn't slam into the vertical surface. Rather a moot point with the MILES gear if you have a single-shot machine gun. But I know what you mean about foliage and the lasers...makes it very easy for people to cheat.

What branch were you in?

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Nevermind, didn't see the last part of your post.

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I think its a Canadian regular infantry-man that has the longest sniper shot ever on record while serving in Afghanistan... hit a terrorist in a moving truck some 3 miles away using a .50 cal rifle (gun and caliber bullet makes the difference too I think and the .50 I don't think was in a rifle until the 1990s ish). Its one hell of a shot either way as if you move the sight less than a hair at that distance the shot will be off a few feet I'm sure.

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not quite....

Canadian sniper makes record shot

Canadian Press via Globe and Mail (Toronto) ^ | July 9, 2002 | Stephen Thorne

Posted on 07/09/2002 7:37:02 PM PDT by Clive

A world-record shot by a Canadian sniper detachment could never have been made with the ammunition they were issued when they left Edmonton last winter, the triggerman said in a recent interview.

The Canadian .50-calibre rounds have a maximum range of between 2,200 and 2,300 metres. The U.S. rounds, they discovered, "fly farther, faster," said Cpl. "Bill", a 26-year-old native of Fogo Island, Nfld.

The two-man Canadian team, coupled with American Sgt. Zevon Durham of Greenville, S.C., made the kill from 2,430 metres on the second shot.

The first blew a bag from the hand of their target, an al-Qaeda fighter walking on a road.

"He didn't even flinch," said Bill, who spoke to The Canadian Press on condition that his real name not be used.

"We made a correction and the next round hit exactly where we wanted it to. Well, a bit to the right."

The kill, one of more than 20 unofficially accredited to Canadian snipers during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan's Shah-i-Kot Valley, beat the 35-year-old record of 2,500 yards, or 2,250 metres, set by U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock in Duc Pho, South Vietnam.

Soldier of Fortune magazine estimated the number of kills made by the Canadians after talking to several U.S. soldiers in Kandahar for a cover story in its August edition.

The snipers themselves will not confirm the figure.

But judging from accounts given by Canadians involved in the first major coalition offensive of the Afghan war, the figure of at least 20 sounds conservative.

Outfitted with British desert fatigues and an array of equipment from all over the world, the five Canadians divided into two detachments earned the respect of their American brothers-in-arms after helping rescue dozens of paratroopers pinned down by enemy fire.

The five have been nominated for one of the highest awards given by the United States military - the Bronze Star, two of them with Vs for Valor, marking exceptional bravery.

Awarding of the American medal, which was to have been done at a ceremony along with other Anaconda veterans in Kandahar in April, has been delayed by Canadian protocol officials.

But more important to the Canadians are the gestures from their American brethren who, while nearly killing them several times over with friendly fire, owe many lives to their shooting skills.

"They trusted us to do our job, without question," said Master Cpl. "James", a 31-year-old native of Kingsville, Ont., who also asked that his identity not be revealed.

At one point during a series of battles, one of the Canadians was without his rifle. Enemy bullets were hitting the earth all around.

Mortars were dropping in front and behind them, some within 10 metres, bracketing their position and getting closer all the time.

"They really hammered us," said Bill.

He tried to get to their rifles but couldn't. Finally, an American sniper tossed him his rifle and said: "Here, you know how to use this better than I do."

They held off the enemy until darkness descended and they escaped.

"They were instrumental in helping us achieve our goals out there," said 1st Lieut. Justin Overbaugh, 25, of Missoula, Mont., the soldier who recommended Bill and James for Bronze Stars.

"They are professionals; they are very good at what they do; they train hard, they are very mature, they are tactically and technically proficient so when it came time to do business, they were on," he said.

"If they told me I was going out right now, I'd be begging, kicking, screaming, crying for them to come with us."

Bill and James said they pulled off several shots from 2,400 metres or more.

"Shots out that far are 60 per cent skill and 40 per cent luck, or vice versa," said Bill. "Usually, it takes two or three rounds, sometimes five.

"Normally, a sniper wouldn't take that many shots, but they were out so far we felt confident they couldn't tell where we were."

At daybreak one morning, the two Canadians were set up overlooking a compound when al-Qaeda fighters started "pouring out of buildings like ants."

Bill started shooting while James called in a mortar attack, followed by B-52, F-16 and Apache helicopter strikes.

In a separate incident, Bill and James found themselves looking up at a large dark object screaming out of the sky directly above them.

It was a 220-kilogram American bomb.

"We hit the deck and covered our heads with our hands," said James.

The bomb landed 30 metres away, nose in, and never went off.

Bill and James looked at each other in disbelief.

"By the grace of God, it was a dud," said Bill. "It landed 15 metres from the B company (U.S. 101st Airborne Division) trenches. A guy got up, walked out of the trench and kicked the thing."

On another occasion, an Apache fired a missile right over their heads. It slammed into a rock wall 200 metres behind them. The snipers took it all in stride.

"Unless you have walked in their shoes or been part of a Special Forces unit, you cannot understand the closeness in proximity that a sniper is to the enemy," said Capt. Paul Madej, Operation Enduring Freedom chaplain, who debriefed the Canadians.

"The Canadian snipers are professional, well-trained soldiers who walk into harm's way and fulfilled their mission. They represent the best and they have our respect."

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Not to get off subject, but what is the best simulation then?

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as some dude said earlier...waterballoons ?

seriously, the psychopath in me suggests that there's nothing better than the real thing....which means a no holds barred event.

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DELTA does not exist.? I was stationed on fort bragg where the infamous delta "compound" exists.? Regardless, there is no "known" unit.? Either way, this thread is silliness...

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Well...I don't know what part of Bragg you were on (lol)...but I was Stationed at Ft. Bragg with the 7th C/2nd and I can tell you that Delta does exist...just for this thread sake....I can tell you this much..they were involved in "BlackHawk Down"

1993 - As part of Task Force Ranger, took part in numerous operations to apprehend warlord Mohamad Farah Aidid in Mogadishu, Somalia.

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I would say the others may train harder and have more tostestorone but the SAS would WHOOP all there asses.

The Australian SAS is the most highly trained special forces unit in the world.

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I think its a Canadian regular infantry-man that has the longest sniper shot ever on record while serving in Afghanistan... hit a terrorist in a moving truck some 3 miles away using a .50 cal rifle (gun and caliber bullet makes the difference too I think and the .50 I don't think was in a rifle until the 1990s ish). Its one hell of a shot either way as if you move the sight less than a hair at that distance the shot will be off a few feet I'm sure.

I'm not going to answer the survey though. I don't care who would win. They are all very brave people fighting for everyone's freedom. No matter what force you're in the dangers are all the same. I would say from the sense of exposure to mother nature, the SEALS have it the toughest though. I just read a book by Eric Haney on Delta Force (he was a founding member) very interesting read and I think eye opening.? He mentions during the traning that one guy had litterally no sole on his feet and the skin had literally peeled off from all the hiking. Poor guy was bandaged up for a couple of weeks.

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A Canadian Forces sniper team from the Princess Partricia's Canadian Light Infantry in Afghanistan is credited with making a kill at 2,430 meters (about 2,657 yards).

http://brianhayes.com/2005/08/world-sniper-record.html

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Well...I don't know what part of Bragg you were on (lol)...but I was Stationed at Ft. Bragg with the 7th C/2nd and I can tell you that Delta does exist...just for this thread sake....I can tell you this much..they were involved in "BlackHawk Down"

1993 - As part of Task Force Ranger, took part in numerous operations to apprehend warlord Mohamad Farah Aidid in Mogadishu, Somalia.

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You're telling me that you saw "Delta" soldiers running down Ardennes in the morning? Yeah Black Hawk Down was a story based on real life events. Either way, you know you can't put in a 4187 for "Delta"

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I like Delta force. They put the 'speshul' in 'Speshul Forces'.

Surely the Israelis are the toughest. They live right next door to hoards of AK-armed fighters, suicide bombers, kids with stones etc.

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