RD_SG Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 Hey, Yeah...I'm looking for a camera... What I need are high quality shots, and I'm trying to choose between the Canon EOS 20D, Canon Digital Rebel XT, and the Nikon D70s. That is pretty much my price range, and those are the only 3 cameras that I have heard good things about. I am planning on shooting exterior architecture, sports events, and miscellaneous... I've never really played around with any of them before...but I need to know which one has the best value. I've looked at the comparison charts and reviews on dpreview.com, and I've been to other places, and I can't seem to find which one is the clearest one and worth it for me to buy. I've heard that the Digital Rebel XT ( 350D ) feels cheap and isn't very durable...whereas the 20D is a little bit more expensive, has good grip, and is basically the bigger brother of the 350D... The Nikon D70 is what I see a lot of people who experiment and shoot miscellaenous objects use. Lots of still portraits with the 20D...and I've seen the 350D as another thing that people who shoot different things like to use. If any people can tell me what camera I should get, and will give me the best value...I'd really appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mirumir Subscriber¹ Posted October 15, 2005 Subscriber¹ Share Posted October 15, 2005 http://www.dpreview.com - one of the most respectable digital photography review sites. Speaking about these three cameras - they are really side-by-side to each other in terms of performance. If I had to pick one, I would choose Nikon, because I already own one (and absolutly love Nikon 5700), it's the least expensive among the three, and it's the most recent one. Check out the sample photos, see what you like most. Go to the store, spend some time choosing between the three (don't rush), see which one you are most comfortable with, after all it's you who's going to be using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emo Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 in my opinion, the 20d is the best since it makes less noise than the d70, is faster at autofocusing, and the cameras processor is newer and better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted October 15, 2005 Veteran Share Posted October 15, 2005 http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_po...n_d70s&show=all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mirumir Subscriber¹ Posted October 15, 2005 Subscriber¹ Share Posted October 15, 2005 in my opinion, the 20d is the best since it makes less noise than the d70, is faster at autofocusing, and the cameras processor is newer and better. 586675930[/snapback] autofocus..pff 20D also costs 30% extra without any more value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainArt Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 (edited) Both 20D and 350D are greater and professional than Nikon D70. :yes: Edited October 15, 2005 by RainArt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett C Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 I looked hardcore into buying an XT. I love that damn camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drshdw Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 The D70 can't do ISO 100, which kind of sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 Earlier this year I was trying to make the same decision, and ended up with the D70. While the Canons have a higher megapixel count, they use a lot of processing, as well as a stronger aliasing filter and actually ended up resolving less detail than the D70 pics. Canon's cameras are far too menu oriented for my liking, whereas you can change most options on the D70 with just button presses. The D70 is a much better size/weight of camera for my hands, and felt much better made too. The kit lens is far better with the Nikon. :) The D70 has a far better flash system, and exposes to preserve highlights better than the Canons - I often found canon images to over-expose by default. While I find the user interface with Nikons to be far superior to what Canon offers, what matters is which one feels right in your hands, and what lenses you want to buy into. With SLRs, you'll be building up a collection of lenses, and changing the body every few years, so you want to make your decision based on that more than anything else. I had a D70 for a couple of months, but in the end I decided that the additional cost for current generation DSLRs over higher-end P&S cameras wasn't justified, so I bought a Casio EX-Z750 which produces shots that are very similar in quality to them the majority of the time at less than 1/3 of the price. It has most of the common complaints about P&S cameras solved - starts up in 1 second, and has no shutter lag. You have to put a little more work in to get a great shot, but I don't regret my decision one bit. (I do miss bokeh though) Once the next generation of DSLRs come out I will be looking into buying one again; I had always planned to buy a DSLR and then a very compact P&S for when I just can't carry around a big camera, but have done things the other way around now, as I didn't feel I was getting value for money with current DSLRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mirumir Subscriber¹ Posted October 15, 2005 Subscriber¹ Share Posted October 15, 2005 With SLRs, you'll be building up a collection of lenses, and changing the body every few years, so you want to make your decision based on that more than anything else. Quoted for truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qumahlin Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 You cannot compare a EOS 20D against a D70 or Rebel XT A 20D is above them both in terms of features, quality, and of course price. Your attempting to compare 2 entry level SLR's (D70, 350D), versus a pro SLR (20D) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laz Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Quoted for truth 586677181[/snapback] Indeed, buy the most cost-effective camera right now (even try for something used like 350D/XT, perhaps even 10D if you're dying for something more "pro-like"; I assume you are just recently diving into photography). Use the money saved to purchase the higher quality lenses. And we'll gladly help you out on what to choose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxics Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 (edited) I bought a Canon 300D (Digital Rebel) off Ebay a couple months ago for $550. It's a great camera. I've played around with the XT which is it's successor. The XT is smaller in the hands (which I don't particularly care for since I have big hands). I use Canon and Nikon lenses on my 300D since I used to own a Nikon FE film camera. I just bought a Nikon to Canon EOS lens mount adapter off ebay for $30. They don't auto focus or auto exposure on the Canon. But I can use them in aperture priority or manual mode just fine. here are some of my 300D photos http://www.pbase.com/roxics/portfolio_series As far as the cheap feel, it's polycarbonate, it's tough stuff even if it feels cheaper. Edited October 16, 2005 by roxics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mirumir Subscriber¹ Posted October 16, 2005 Subscriber¹ Share Posted October 16, 2005 here are some of my 300D photos http://www.pbase.com/roxics/portfolio_series 586679989[/snapback] nice photos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxics Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrk Reviewer Posted October 16, 2005 Reviewer Share Posted October 16, 2005 You cannot compare a EOS 20D against a D70 or Rebel XTA 20D is above them both in terms of features, quality, and of course price. Your attempting to compare 2 entry level SLR's (D70, 350D), versus a pro SLR (20D) 586679782[/snapback] The 20D and 350D both use the same image sensor (while the revision is slightly different the images taken by both are exactly the same, the same noiseless images, the same iso sensitivity etc etc) - the only difference is that the 20D is a faster camera with slightly more features and a magnesium alloy body. The D70/D70s are previous generation cameras with no new technology. Just compare an iso400 image and you will see why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Floyd Veteran Posted October 17, 2005 Veteran Share Posted October 17, 2005 compare apples with apples D70s with 20D and D50 with Rebel XT and sorry for the one that saying that 20D is pro, but 20D is far from being pro level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrk Reviewer Posted October 17, 2005 Reviewer Share Posted October 17, 2005 The d70s cannot go against the 20d.... The d70s is just the d70 with the new firmware and a new AF/VF system, nothing worth upgrading to if you have a d70 and far from comparable to a 20D Also the 350D tramples the D50 everywhere (bar price) Think of it this way. 350D is a 20D minus the metal body and larger buffer. IQ is the same, image sensor is the same and AF speed is the same on the same lens. the 20D is faster though with 2 more AF zones. The D50 is a cut down D70 full stop and still on a 6mp sensor. The 20D is a enthsiast level dslr., it is used by professionals and amateurs alike regardless of what anyone says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Floyd Veteran Posted October 17, 2005 Veteran Share Posted October 17, 2005 oh man ok we wont go in this discussion another time well I'm not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrk Reviewer Posted October 17, 2005 Reviewer Share Posted October 17, 2005 that makes no sense, ah well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD_SG Posted October 30, 2005 Author Share Posted October 30, 2005 Ok, to be honest...I know nothing about photography...I want to be able to pick up one that I can get used to and that is really good. I am aiming for either the Canon 20D or Digital Rebel XT (350D)....I've heard that the 350D has a really bad body, and that isn't worth it, so I should go for the 20D... I don't really know...I'm just taking different opinions... For someone who is new to photography...like..just really basic, which one of the two cameras would you recommend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premgenius Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 I'd go for the Digital Rebel XT or EOS 20D and not the Nikon D70, I also like the Sony DSC-R1 but I've never liked their lens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoneAvail Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 i'd go with the Nikon D70... its the best digital camera, i've ever used.. my uncle is a professional, and i've played around with his camera, and it is soo neat.. no noise in the pictures, flash is big and bright, nice bright LCD screen, but the software is a bit sluggish... :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrk Reviewer Posted October 30, 2005 Reviewer Share Posted October 30, 2005 Ok, to be honest...I know nothing about photography...I want to be able to pick up one that I can get used to and that is really good. I am aiming for either the Canon 20D or Digital Rebel XT (350D)....I've heard that the 350D has a really bad body, and that isn't worth it, so I should go for the 20D... I don't really know...I'm just taking different opinions... For someone who is new to photography...like..just really basic, which one of the two cameras would you recommend? 586744324[/snapback] whoever told you it has a bad body is 100% wrong. the 300D body was plastic but robust and very heavy duty, the 350d body is double that and has a textured matt finish giving a much better grip and strength. I have had mine almost 6 months now and it has withstood everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premgenius Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 whoever told you it has a bad body is 100% wrong.the 300D body was plastic but robust and very heavy duty, the 350d body is double that and has a textured matt finish giving a much better grip and strength. I have had mine almost 6 months now and it has withstood everything 586744500[/snapback] mrk knows what he is talking about, he had one and is a pro in photography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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