Does Neowin need harsher mods?


Does Neowin Need Harsher Mods?  

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  1. 1. Does Neowin Need Harsher Mods?

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I wouldn't say mods are strict, if members are going to be silly then they need to look at the community rules and see what they've done wrong, not blame mods for doing their jobs.

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@ bangbang

I guess not kissing everyone's ass makes me confrontational. If you ask any member who has taken the time to get to know me, you will see I'm one of the guys who cares more about the members than anything else.

In the end, I volunteer my time to help you people out and never ask for anything in return, not even a thanks. Generally speaking, the people who don't like the staff are the people with warning levels higher than 0%. There are exceptions, but that's the most common of cases. I know I do a good job and I haven't been fired, so I'm not as bad as the few nay sayers would like people to believe.

I would also guess that the first part of the above statement is also intended to be confrontational! As a person in a position of authority you should not stoop to responses like this, as all it does is exacerbate the reactions that you get from people who ?have it in for you?! Yes, in the end you do volunteer your time and it is exactly that, no one is forcing anyone to do anything. To say that people who have warnings against their names are the ones who have it in for you would be pushing it a little, to say the least! You are still young and it shows, you do not have to defend your actions. As one of the staff members here you must do what you have to and do it to the best of your ability. Go for it!

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Anyhow, whether or not the mods need to be stricter isn't the right question to ask... the right question would be "Do the mods need to be more consistent".

There are close to 10 posts I've read in the last 48 hours which should have been edited by mods as they either bashed other users or baited flamers.

The mods aren't always consistent when upholding the rules... it's no wonder why those who have already been warned get upset when they see mods ignoring the infractions of others.

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Consistency is a slight problem, but all of our actions are logged and reviewed by the rest of the staff (moderating and administrative). This helps us match each other's actions as closely as possible, considering we are all very different people with different backgrounds, etc. Heck, from day to day, I can be in different moods (or moderating from work during free time, and not have the time to purge a thread gone bad like I normally would). Being consistent would be a problem for a staff of one given the distractions of a real life outside the forums. But, I think the system is set up here in-place to do the best we can.
In other words, it's the inaction of the mods that boils my blood...

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Now, just because you see someone call another person "an ignorant butt-wipe" in a thread doesn't mean it hasn't been acted on, and that member warned (or even restricted). This gets back to the "consistency" thing you mentioned, but is not a sign of inaction. If you see a post that doesn't seem to have been acted on, report it! That calls attention to all staff that there is a problem with a particular post. (Y)
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^^ Let me tell you guys... THERE is a mod to be proud of (no kidding or brown nosing)! :yes:

Barney

** Mark, don't you DARE delete my post!** :laugh:

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I think the mods are too strict anyway so I voted no. I like TribalWar much better than here. Sometimes profane things are funny. But I agree with some and I disagree with some. Some mods can't take jokes and will warn you for stupid things. Such as when I said I was going to post my sexy body for sale in NeoBay, they threatened to ban me from that area and warn me. So that's when I lost respect for all mods and paid more attention to Tribalwar and made me say negative things about Neowin.

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I dont think so, the mods are quite helpfull and friendly, thats part of the reason why i stay on neowin. I dont see any reason why they should be harsher, unless there is a serious problem.

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I'll be honest. The mods here are just looking for problems to try and fix. Not to mention banning and silencing people for reasons they label as "trolling" which is ... likely always the response.

****, I should know, I've got a 100 percent warning level :) I'm a neowin bad asser. (LOL)

I think the mods need to chill out a bit and let the people make the decisions whether to comment on someone else's post or not.

Regardless, conflicting opinions ALWAYS makes for good reading on the forums. I'm kinda tired of seeing post after post, of the SAME thing from every single user. I like seeing people mix it up a bit, add a bit of tension, and distraction. It actually gives the real good members a chance to teach a lesson to the rest and use people like me as an example :)

Not to mention there are already too many moderators to begin with.

Reminds me of a bad case of an irc channel gone to wrong :)

For cryin-out-loud! Don't bypass the swear filter in a thread about moderator action, especially when you admit you have a 100% warning to the world! :pinch: :rofl: :no:

*post edited to remove swear filter circumvention *

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Until the members start to think before they post I say yes. Right now you can't even discuss a new Apple product without the topic being ruined, people are bashing others in the automotive forum for their lack of knowledge, even though the forum is there to help others, and in general there are many posts being made that offer a biased opinion based upon no previous knowledge of an issue that contribute absolutely nothing to the topic at hand. Things are really bad imo right now.

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I think there are too many. I reckon the number of mods has trippled since I have been here. It seems like theres a new one every day and most of the time I had never seen them before they were a mod. I also think that too many people change their names, I hate name changing. That's off topic, I know, I just thought about it now though.

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Not to mention there are already too many moderators to begin with.

Reminds me of a bad case of an irc channel gone to wrong :)

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You think there are too many? I think if anything there are not enough. If we had more mods to shut down users before people can even respond to their stupid posts it would be a lot cleaner. It's NOT the mods fault, anyone who blames the mods for what goes on just doesn't know the whole story. It's not easy, there are lots and lots of members.

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@ bangbang

I would also guess that the first part of the above statement is also intended to be confrontational! As a person in a position of authority you should not stoop to responses like this, as all it does is exacerbate the reactions that you get from people who ?have it in for you?! Yes, in the end you do volunteer your time and it is exactly that, no one is forcing anyone to do anything. To say that people who have warnings against their names are the ones who have it in for you would be pushing it a little, to say the least! You are still young and it shows, you do not have to defend your actions. As one of the staff members here you must do what you have to and do it to the best of your ability. Go for it!

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My statement wasn't confrontational as much as it was observational. I, out of the entire staff, probably pad wha tI say the least. It's direct with no between the lines nonsense to read. Unfoortunately, while some do appreciate it, others don't. I don't expect everyone to like me, but I do feel I get a bad wrap simple because, as I said, I don't kiss ass an sugar coat everything I say. It's not worth the energy. My posting speaks for itself. If I don't have an answer or have something to contribute to the conversation, I don't post. Others have to learn to do this. I spend half my time here cleaning up useless flame wars from fan boys who can't control what they type. When I clean up the mess, I'm instantly accused of being a nazi or trying to silence the opinions of those I don't agree with. Those people will never like me and I've just learned to accept it. I do my job and move on. It's a shame we get the blame for the irresponsibily of others, though.

As for the topic of being strict, I fully admit to being strict, but I do it for a reason. With many of the younger members here, if you give them an inch, they take a yard and you only have more problems later on.

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About 3 Mods are like that -- most all others are very decent. :yes:

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Yeah, a few of them are obdurate, self-righteous idiots. (Yeah you! :crazy:) However, most of them (Bangbang, Freddie, etc.) rock!

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As far as I know there are about 50 staff total; with over 116,000 members thats getting on for 2500 members per staff member; so I would have to disagree and say we probably need more rather than less.

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Until the members start to think before they post I say yes.  Right now you can't even discuss a new Apple product without the topic being ruined

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That, sadly, is true at some times. People get their jolly on by coming into a thread such as that kind and say something totally inappropriate.

I think we should pass a Neowin Patriot Act allowing us to do whatever we want without letting you guys know. :ninja:

:p

^

Kidding for those who didn't catch it.

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No.Way

Personally I feel the boards are over moderated, but thats just my unwanted opinion.

I would like to see the babyish swear filter removed. You guys always go on about how you are so grown up, but then you filter swearing? :/

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No.Way

Personally I feel the boards are over moderated, but thats just my unwanted opinion.

I would like to see the babyish swear filter removed. You guys always go on about how you are so grown up, but then you filter swearing? :/

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This is a PG-13 board and the admins wish to keep it that way. We wish to encourage members of all ages to visit us and want to make sure we give them as friendly a home as possible.

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This is a PG-13 board and the admins wish to keep it that way. We wish to encourage members of all ages to visit us and want to make sure we give them as friendly a home as possible.

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Meh. Fair do's. (Y)

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Did it ever occur to you that maybe we can't read every one of the thousands of daily posts? Many times, if it's not reported, we just may not see it.

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Agreed... If you're not willing to take the time to click "Report" and type in the reason and click submit, you shouldn't be in this thread commenting on the lack/quality of moderation.

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If I don't have an answer or have something to contribute to the conversation, I don't post.

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In one sentence you have the solution to the problem. Maybe what you need to do is make a disclaimer in HUGE letters before each post, that says if your post is not found to contribute to the topic at hand your post will be deleted. No one will complain anymore!

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Wow :wacko: (@ brown-nosing).

Anyhow, whether or not the mods need to be stricter isn't the right question to ask... the right question would be "Do the mods need to be more consistent".

There are close to 10 posts I've read in the last 48 hours which should have been edited by mods as they either bashed other users or baited flamers.

The mods aren't always consistent when upholding the rules... it's no wonder why those who have already been warned get upset when they see mods ignoring the infractions of others.

In other words, it's the inaction of the mods that boils my blood...

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Did it ever occur to you that maybe we can't read every one of the thousands of daily posts? Many times, if it's not reported, we just may not see it.

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I've been here for quite a while (or I'd like to think so) and I think the mods are doing a fantastic job. Never had a problem with them before, and don't plan on having any in the future. I get pms about why my thread was moved (even though it's not required of them, and if I don't see it, I can do a simple search for it) and I think that's awesome of them.

What keeps me coming back is the daily discussions and abudance of new threads everyday and I welcome it. Without mods, everything would be utter chaos. So in conclusion, the mods are doing a great job now, but I wouldn't mind them being harsher. Maybe it'll finally get rid of the trollers and thread bashers.

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Now, just because you see someone call another person "an ignorant butt-wipe" in a thread doesn't mean it hasn't been acted on, and that member warned (or even restricted).  This gets back to the "consistency" thing you mentioned, but is not a sign of inaction.  If you see a post that doesn't seem to have been acted on, report it!  That calls attention to all staff that there is a problem with a particular post. (Y)

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As an average-joe user, I see posts that have been edited by mods all the time (Y). And that's great (Y)

What is discouraging is reading the same amount of 'inappropriate'-posts without any moderator's interjections at all. If it's inappropriate to call someone an 'ignorant butt-wipe', surely any inaction to 'clean' the original comment would be inappropriate too, am I wrong? And as I understand it, when a mod edits a post (cleaning or commenting), a small tag at the bottom of the post appears timestamping the edit and revealing who made the edit.

If the inappropriate comments are simply deleted (and thus don't exist after a mod's interaction), surely I wouldn't be coming across so many posts of this nature. :ermm:

Thanks for replying to my thoughts, markjensen (Y) In all fairness I wasn't referring to you or the way you maintain the Linux (and other) forums...

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