BananaMan Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Hey guys, I got my first infinite loop error about 20 minutes ago when booting up Max Payne. The system that you can see in my sig is only 4 days old. Unusually (or not), it happens EVERY time I start up Max Payne, one time I got so far as lasting 5 seconds to see the "Loading" screen, but yeah, it's never goes past that, and it happen. I haven't tried any other games after the infinite loop, but I was able to play Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix fine last night, although SOFII is OpenGL and Max Payne is DirectX. Anyway, I searched the forums, but all the advice I found wasn't specific enough. What could be the problem? I've heard that there's a problem with VIA chipsets with infinite loops on Nvidia cards, is this the issue now? By the way, I am using 29.42 dets, and VIA 4-in-1 4.40v. There's probably a really well-known solution to this, it's just that this PC is new and before this I had an ATi Radeon and an Intel chipset, so I've naturally payed little attention to technical issues and news with Nvidia cards and VIA chipsets. Cheers guys! Evan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanekiwi Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 http://www.nvplanet.com/modules.php?name=D...op=getit&lid=30 detonator 30.30 try those, i never had infinite loop errors. especially not with games (i.e. the mentioned ones above). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMan Posted July 23, 2002 Author Share Posted July 23, 2002 I tried the 30.30 dets, same problem. In fact, now, ALL games don't work. I tried SOFII on both dets, they either crash or blue screen with the infinite loop thing. Something is very wrong. Does anyone have any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persianpsycho Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 got nearly the same computer u have, with the exception of video card, got a radeon 8500, but this happens for me too. Waiting to see how to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenixDG Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 I had the same problem on my system. Any drivers later than the 23.11's would give me random infinite loop errors. The only way I found to stop them was to download Nvmax. One of it's options is a 'infinite loop' fix. After ticking that box and rebooting I haven't seen the problem again. Since Nvmax was discontinued I dunno where to get it from now but I'd suggest trying RivaTuner or something similar to see if they have such an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMan Posted July 23, 2002 Author Share Posted July 23, 2002 Originally posted by persianpsycho got nearly the same computer u have, with the exception of video card, got a radeon 8500, but this happens for me too. Waiting to see how to fix it. Hmm. :( Surely this can't be an acceptable level of stability for such expensive mainstream products, or can it? In any case, I'm going to give zap the windows partition and reinstall Windows, I think I may know why this is happening. Last night, my tv card bit the dust, it now no longer works, and it brought the whole system down with it, with all sorts of funky video corruption even outside of Windows (funny too, since there's no pass-over cable to the video card, I didn't think the tv card had direct access to the display output), and ever since then I haven't played any games. It did this a couple days ago as well, and my Windows install completely corrupted (wouldn't boot), so my guess it's done something similar this time. By the way, the tv card's out of the system now, so hopefully I've isolated the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenMaster Posted July 24, 2002 Share Posted July 24, 2002 Have you tried patching Max Payne. I think one of the earlier patches fixed it. Check the temperature in the case, maybe its running too hot? Other than SOFII and MaxPayne do you have other older games to try it on with less textures? This might help figuring out what the problem is. See if there is any crash logs from the game to help or error messages before it crashes. Max Payne has a debug mode if I recall. In any event try the patch first here's the link with list of mirrors. http://www.3drealms.com/max/downloads.html As a final note, if the system still crashes and you're getting upset I have one final resolution: I still have a TNT2 32 MB card in good condition, I would be willing to trade for the Ti4200. Guaranteed your gaming experience will be much better. Games won't crash and you'll be able to play much longer. Seriously, take it back if you just bought it. Its still under warrranty let the techs from the company you bought it from figure it out. You have an agreement to get a working computer, which clearly isn't functioning to your expectations..... My 2 cents anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malechai Veteran Posted July 25, 2002 Veteran Share Posted July 25, 2002 isn't that ironic..Intel based system = no problems...leave Intel based system = problems. I'm right there with you man. I left an Intel based system 2 years ago and upgraded to an AMD/VIA system. Needless to say I'm none too pleased, but also let me add that even though its taken me a long time to get this system stable, its now stable as a rock. When I upgrade I'm going back to Intel. Regarding your problem, try flashing your BIOS. Are you overclocking? That can cause the loops errors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenMaster Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 Originally posted by Spyder isn't that ironic..Intel based system = no problems...leave Intel based system = problems. Yep, I hear ya too. AMD systems need more patches sometimes, though I don't think it was as bad with XP. I had an Athlon 1000 and it fried little more than 8 months after I bought it. I was not pleased. Both a PIII with the cash I had left and more than a year later its still working well. I couldn't be bothered claiming a warranty on the AMD, I was much happier with the Intel system. I can't tell the diff betw the Athlon 1000 and a PIII 800 frankly. If you haven't tried the Max Payne patch, try it first. I'm quite sure it might be the problem. Before the patch, a read a lot of people complaining the game would crash early on esp with the newer graphics chipsets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 i upped the voltage to my agp slot and put my 2 memory sticks on different rails, all fixed, no infnite loops for months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatm1ke Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 I have struggled with this problem for ages, I have 3 pc's all AMD and at some time all of them had this problem. I am proud to say that all 3 are now FIXED from the dreaded BSOD (although I currently have another non related problem with my newest pc). My PC's 700Mhz Slot A, 256mb pc100 ram, gigabyte board Geforce anh pro 256, 300watt case 1.2Ghz TBird, 512pc133 ram, pcchips board, geforce 2 mx 400, 300 watt case 2100+ XP 512 ddr 333, gigabyte GA-7VRXP GF4 ti4400, 350 watt case Each time I had 2 NIC cards in them (or 1 and an On board LAN adapter) By changes the position of the NIC card I fixed the 700 By flashing the Mobo Bios I Fixed the 2nd PC 1.2GHz By moving the NIC card and LEAVING the original BIOS I managed to my newest PC working stable. I am using 29.80 det drivers on all 3 machines and they are all stable (29.42 were also stable for me) on my 2100+ I have it on full aggressive setting ULTRA speed DDR 333 T1 Command CAS 2 Aperture 256 I am running Windows XP Professional and except DET drivers I have not installed any 3rd party drivers reguarding sound or graphics I have Installed NO 4 in 1 Drivers or additional 3rd party AGP drivers The Main Issue I have found to be for this problem are these: Power (normally if you get a cheap case like from a Comp Fair, they give you a crap PSU it may be 350 watts or whatever but the Amps for the voltages are probably below recommended by AMD 14AMPS for your 3.3volts is not really enough, but must cheap PSU only come with 14AMPS on the 3.3volts. (3.3volts is the main problem with Power, as it's used for your mobo/cpu/pci cards.AGP card) it soon sucks up those 14 AMPS. IRQ conflict (Ethernet card conflicting with another ethernet card or modem) try moving to another PCI slot till it doesn't conflict. You can check in windows by typing in : Start -> Run : msinfo32 then goto Hardware/Resources -> Conflict/Sharing With my newest system I tried flashing the bios but it only caused more problems (which it is supposed to fix), but as for the det drivers, 29.80, 30.30 etc are BETA so you may be better off sticking with the offical drivers at least at first. I now have all 3 PC's networked with both my older machines with just 1 NIC card and NO modems in them, so they don't conflict there, and my main (NEW) PC with onboard LAN and a PCI ethernet card. Although like I said I had to move the NIC around from PCI slot 1 all the way through 5 until I got it stable. I hope this helps, I've been struggling with this problem for a few years now, maybe what I've learn't will help you. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intrabyte Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 the first time I've had a infinite loop was with some old 2.3.x drivers on my retired 550mhz =/ that BSOD happends EVERYTIME you play a game that uses a certain mentionned .DLL file (nv4_disp.dll if I remember well) later... how did I solve it? Apparently I tried the latest nvidia *leaked* drivers in that time and it actually worked :o just play around by trying many different drivers including the leaked ones cause some really work better than they should. Oh yeah... about AMD and INTEL systems... I dunno about that. I've had a p3 1ghz for a few months and it worked very well... Upgraded to a amd based system, upgraded my drivers including my bios and windows patches and I have no problems whatsoever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persianpsycho Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 Im very very lost, games used to always freeze and such in full screen mode, but in windowed mode, it runs without any sort of problems, other than the loss of framerate. Is there anything else i can do for my system, i wanna play games in full screen. the cpu temperature isn't an issue either. My system is: AMD Athlon XP 1800+ 512 DDR ram Radeon 8500 64 mb 80 gig western digital hd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tHe_cL3anER Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 I only eva got that a couple of times when my GPU overheated.. try sticking a desk fan next to your open pc or somethin on hot days... works for me!! Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMan Posted August 1, 2002 Author Share Posted August 1, 2002 I found the problem, the video card was just plain faulty! Sent it back to the place of purchase, they confirmed it was faulty, gave me a new one, tada, problem solved. Thanks for everyone's assistance, it's been much appreciated, although I haven't been able to check it until now as after I made my last post the PC refused to boot with a beep code indiciating faulty video card (or improperly seated).. I've only just got it back today, a week later. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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