Racism


Should racist site be allowed on the internet?  

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  1. 1. Should racist site be allowed on the internet?

    • Yes (No explanation)
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    • Yes, freedom of speech protects all forms of speech
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    • Yes, as long as it does not incite descrimination*
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    • No (no explanation)
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    • No, as Freedom of speech does not extend to racism
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    • No, it should be outright banned.
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    • I really don't care
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*Descrimination is the act of descriminating against a minority because of a prejudice, such as withholding employment based on ethnicity or race. This is opposed to predjudice, which is simply being biased towards a minority, but not acting on those prejudices.

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I was watching the late night news last night when I heard that a US based pro-white race group has been accused of speading hate literature in Vancouver, Canada, denouncing minorities. Consequently, the RCMP hate crimes unit is investigating. None the less, I decided to check out their website, nationalvanguard.org. I was astounded at how they were able to publish such biased material on the internet (Not that I was honestly surprised they were). Such claims made on the site include distinct races, backed up by flawed science; repeated claims of a Jewish world-wide conspiracy, and many others...

I am all for free speech, but should there be limits on it? We have laws that limit our actions. We cannot go out and shoot people at random, or steal. furthermore, we have laws that prevent the premeditation of some actions, such as murder. Should this extend to speech that incites the descrimination?

The National Vanguard claims to "rigorously defend [their] rights to freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of conscience, freedom of the press, and all other freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. NV members in other countries will operate under the laws of their nations." If proven guilty, their actions in Vancouver are forbidden under their own constitution. Hate litterature in Canada is illegal under Canadian Law.

I am interested in seeing what other people think about sites run by the national Vanguard. Do they go too far?

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Simple really isn't it, no sites promoting hate toward others for anything should be allowed. I cant image how it could all be stopped though really without the same techniques being used to cut of legitimate forms of free speech that the government or big corporations don't agree with or what might lose them money. Basically we are stabbed in the back nowdays whatever we do. :(

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The problem with racism, et al, is that in todays politically correct atmosphere, it is

"ok" for some groups to say things about another group. But, have that group say something about the original group say something about the first group, and the news

media just comes unglued.

I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but you see some minority groups calling for the

killing of someone in the "majority" color and no one bats an eye.

But, have that "majority" color person say something stupid or innocent about the

minority color person and it's on the news 24/7 for 3 days. Plus you'll have everyone

calling for his termination in whatever form of employment he/her is in.

If people would just quit getting hung up on the color of someones skin, perhaps the walls of stupidity would start to be broken.

I could care less what color your are, what religion you are, where you come from,

what you listen to or whatever. Just do a couple of things....

If you come here (USA) from another country, do so LEGALLY, live within the laws

HERE, not the laws where you came from, find some useful form of employment,

try to learn the language HERE, not from where you came. If you want to continue

talking the language of your native country around your friends, I could care less, but

don't make ME lean the language from where YOU came from.

Heck, if you don't like the laws here, instead of just disobeying them, work to change

them...that's how it works here.

Laws here are for everyone...and it isn't "racism" if we want YOU to obey the laws

here, as everyone else should.

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Yes, becuase of free speech.

Black rappers put racist material in their songs, so why shouldn't others do the same?

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Yepp, they do, but it doesn't mean that it is right... The problem for me isn't what they say, it is how they say it. For instance, confusing race with species (purposefully, or not) puts out a message that a person with light skin is different from a dark skin person. A species is defined as a class of animals that are capable of producing fertile offspring. National Vanguard uses the example of us sharing somthing like 70% of the same genetic material with dogs, and other animals. The fact that No human regardless of skin colour, can mate with dogs, cats, or other animals, producing fertile offspring; hence defining all humans as a single species.

The human genome project, which mapped the human genome found that less than %.01 of our dna separates us from each other. they go on to suggest that because our dna is so simmilar to chimps, and we are so different, is proof that race exists... Our genetic differences are likely to be because of environmental factors, throughout evoloution, rather than us being of different species....

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For those who bring in the 'black rappers' argument:

Black rappers are merely rapping about what they don't like. They are voicing their opinions, period. These websites aren't voicing their opinions, they are promoting something. There's a difference between saying something, and offering an alternative and rallying people.

I don't really care what they do. Its not as if I'm going to come into contact with any of these insecure low-class people - ever! They aren't successful/intelligent/classy enough to be in big cities, so they are nothing to me.

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If it's whites being racist towards non-whites or other ethnic groups not white then it will be banned.

If it's non-whites against whites, then people will say that's just them expressing their feelings blah blah blah.

Personally we're supposed to live in a democracy, so people should be allowed to air their feelings.

Then on the other hand I don't condone it nor do I like it, I have suffered racism from non-whites due to my fiance being non-white and she too has suffered racism from both and it does affect you, so I lean towards it being closed down.

I wish I had 3 hands, because on the other hand yet again, if your face don't fit then you will get aggro anyway, no matter what colour you skin is.

Sometimes life feels like a public Enemy tune.

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"Yes, freedom of speech protects all forms of speech" was the closest option to how I feel. My reasons are, to phrase this a easily as possible: to let us know what we are up against.

Why do bookshops still sell copies of Mein Kampf? Why is such a well selling book?

I'm sure some people use it as 'inspiration' etc, however although its anti-Semitic rubbish, people, like me want to know the reason behind things like the Holocaust and one of the only ways to do so is by reading such literature or visiting websites.

This sort of approach doesn?t always work. A couple of weeks ago I went to Auschwitz with my school.

I went looking for answers; I came back with more questions

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Well they still allow Grimm Brothers literature to be used and taught in British schools, because the education system and most teachers are ignorant to the fact it is all antisemitic.

My fiance who used to teach refused to teach this Nazi propaganda.

Just go read Rumple Stiltskin that book is so antisemitic you must be an idiot not to realise it.

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No you're not.

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Freedom of speech, at least in Canada, allows for people to believe in what they wish, and even make those beliefs public, as long as those beliefs do not incite discrimination.

I have no problem with someone believing in neo-nazism as long they don't give speeches that incite discriminatory actions against percieved inferrior races. If someone goes out and kills someone of a different ethnic or racial background because of a speech a neo-nazi makes, then free-speech no longer applies. The act of using inflamatory dialog towards minorities constitutes action for me, therfore should be illegal.

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"Yes, freedom of speech protects all forms of speech" was the closest option to how I feel. My reasons are, to phrase this a easily as possible: to let us know what we are up against.

Why do bookshops still sell copies of Mein Kampf? Why is such a well selling book?

I'm sure some people use it as 'inspiration' etc, however although its anti-Semitic rubbish, people, like me want to know the reason behind things like the Holocaust and one of the only ways to do so is by reading such literature or visiting websites.

This sort of approach doesn?t always work. A couple of weeks ago I went to Auschwitz with my school.

I went looking for answers; I came back with more questions

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You know, I actually had the very same conversation in class with a prof about "Mein Kampf." He suggested that, since it was written so many years ago, that it is considered to be a historical document. There are very few people that take it serious at all. But with taht being said, it does seem kind of hypocritcal to allow one form of "hate literature" and not others

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Ofcourse, people need to be able to express themselves....

Teenagers should be allowed to curse in school

People should be allowed to talk publicly about sex and things

Etc...

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I've choose "No, as Freedom of speech does not extend to racism" 'cause there was no option for "there's no such a thing as race". That's proved already (search for it). There's just one race: HUMAN RACE and that's all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I've choose "No, as Freedom of speech does not extend to racism" 'cause there was no option for "there's no such a thing as race". That's proved already (search for it). There's just one race: HUMAN RACE and tha's all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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There is such thing as racism, whether or not racism exists.

Racism primarily exists because

1 people believe that there are destinct races <which there aren't>

2 each race has unique physical or psychological traits, such as Jewish people supposedly being money grubbing, or that first nations people (natives) in Canada are all stupid and a bunch of drunks (please note these aren't my personal views)

3 There is a hiearchy of races.

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There is such thing as racism, whether or not racism exists.

Racism primarily exists because

1 people believe that there are destinct races <which there aren't>

2 each race has unique physical or psychological traits, such as Jewish people supposedly being money grubbing, or that first nations people (natives) in Canada are all stupid and a bunch of drunks (please note these aren't my personal views)

3 There is a hiearchy of races.

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YES! There's such a thing as RACISM! But There's no such a thing as RACE. This was allways my point and NOW this is the science's proved POINT! I'm happy 'cause that's just it!!!

And I don't wanna talk about it anymore. Sorry. Fixed point! There's no such a thing as RACE!!!

BTW: My race is HUMAN!!!

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YES! There's such a thing as RACISM! But There's no such a thing as RACE. This was allways my point and NOW this is the science's proved POINT! I'm happy 'cause that's just it!!!

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oops... My bad... didn't preview my post... I agree with you that race does not exist, biologically speaking that is. From a sociological perspective, Race exists as a cultural value (might I add with quite a bit of wearyness...). Culturally speaking, ace is "a catagory of people who share niologically transmitted traits that members of a society deem socially significant (Macionis, 1994)."

wouldn't you agree

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Reference

1 Macionis, John & Gerber. (1994) . Sociology . Guelph: UP

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oops... My bad... didn't preview my post... I agree with you that race does not exist, biologically speaking that is. From a sociological perspective, Race exists as a cultural value (might I add with quite a bit of wearyness...). Culturally speaking, ace is "a catagory of people who share niologically transmitted traits that members of a society deem socially significant (Macionis, 1994)."

wouldn't you agree

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1 Macionis, John & Gerber. (1994) . Sociology . Guelph: UP

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Yes and No! But let's take that subject: "a category of people who share niologically transmitted traits that members of a society deem socially significant (Macionis, 1994)." Is that a RACE def? I'm so inclined to say again "There's no such a thing as human race." There's just one RACE: Human race. That is!!!

So let's go to the third page

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Freedom of speech, at least in Canada, allows for people to believe in what they wish, and even make those beliefs public, as long as those beliefs do not incite discrimination.

I have no problem with someone believing in neo-nazism as long they don't give speeches that incite discriminatory actions against percieved inferrior races. If someone goes out and kills someone of a different ethnic or racial background because of a speech a neo-nazi makes, then free-speech no longer applies. The act of using inflamatory dialog towards minorities constitutes action for me, therfore should be illegal.

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That's a fair viewpoint, but you can't say that you're "all" for free speech then. You're "mostly" for free speech.

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Yes and No! But let's take that subject: "a category of people who share niologically transmitted traits that members of a society deem socially significant (Macionis, 1994)." Is that a RACE def? I'm so inclined to say again "There's no such a thing as human race." There's just one RACE: Human race. That is!!!

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It is the definition of race from within a social context. While there is no such thing as biological race, it would be naieve to discredit the notion that people believe in race. Because there is no biologically discrete catagories of humans, people look for differences in the way we look in order to racially stratify people into different "racial" catagories. It is human nature to catagorize things...

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That's a fair viewpoint, but you can't say that you're "all" for free speech then. You're "mostly" for free speech.

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I guess it all comes down to how free speech is defined, eh?

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