Raum Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 As a christian, I don't discriminate people or take them as inferior. People who use drugs to run away from their problem or to fill the empty space inside them must be loved as God loved us and must be helped. I do hate drugs. (Y)(Y)(Y) Much props man. I really respect your attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insurektion Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 And where does one go about acquiring salvia? I get mine in Toronto from Hotbox Cafe (what a great place to be in the summer) 10x extract when taken properly (nice slow long hit from glass bong using a butane torch and held for 30 sec or more). You can get it online from I Am Shaman and SalviaSupply.com. Make sure when/if you do it you have a sitter (someone you trust and are comfortable with) watching you. It is extremely intense and is nothing like pot or shrooms. It also has an intelligence quality about it (in the way pot has a dumbing quality :p). Do it in a good state of mind. Almost guarenteed your first is that you will be laughing your ass off at just how incredible cool it is. Note: It only lasts for 3-7 min at full intensity and wears off totally in about 30-50 min. Check Erowid.com for more info on salvia and ANY other type of drug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raum Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 I got the "purple sticky salvia" brand myself. Some of the effects I remember.... -For a while it felt like someone had titled gravity, so that standing up straight made it feel like you were standing at an angle -Visual details could all be absorbed and mentally processed at once. Kind of hard to explain...but if you look at a tree and see a leaf swaying....imagine being able to do that with everything in the forest that is moving and thinking about each individual item at once and it's importance to the forest, studying its movement etc -The world seemed much brighter -Time was much more complex than it normally was. This one I don't feel I can acurrately describe for those who haven't experienced it. -I felt a strong sense of love coming from nature itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djesteban Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Well, with drugs, it's a whole different world. Can you trust what you consume? Do you know what it's really made of, talking about stuff like speed/xtc, crack/cocain. Alcohol is something you can trust. When you drink Stolichnaya, you know you're drinking vodka and nothing else. Speed or xtc can be made of stuff as silly and dangerous as battery acid. Cocain can be any weird white powder in a certain percentage so they can make more cash. Marijuana well, it seems that some ppl know from who to buy because some sell "cheap weed". I trust liquor, not street drugs. Do you know your limits? Drug overdose ain't funny but when someone's drunk, almost all the time he's just lying on the ground and eventually he'll wake up, vomit and be ok. Isn't that how all parties end up? Some of these consumers who don't care and take drugs cluelessly don't know what they're getting into, yet many seem to enjoy it at Raves or whatnot and everytime, theres a few who are paying the ultimate price and of course regular consumers seem to go on and continue til it happens to them. That's the problem, they don't care if others suffer but when it will hit them, then they'll think twice before popping another pill or snorting some white powder. lol... and you live in Montreal!?! Speed is made with battery acid?!?!...omg, you must be one of these guys from the west island who never went further than the Loyola campus... I've been a dj in Montreal in afterhours for years... and I still spin there from time to time. I've seen people die from alcohol abuse as much as i've seen people die from taking hard drugs... First of all, if you never saw someone actually make speed pills or cut cocain... plz STFU because you don't have a clue of what your talking about.. okay... please... Yes... both of these substance... alcohol and drugs can be dangerous... any non-retard knows that... you also should know to take it in moderation.. you even said that you drink only in occasion, but when you do you get totally wasted right? that's what you meant in your first post?? well, that's even more dangerous, you drink yourself out but you don't know out to drink right and when to stop... some people really are puritains and don't have a damn clue of what they are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottKin Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 As a christian, I don't discriminate people or take them as inferior. People who use drugs to run away from their problem or to fill the empty space inside them must be loved as God loved us and must be helped. I do hate drugs. One of the most sincere and to-the-point posts in this thread to date. Mega-kudos for setting the proper tone! --ScottKin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insurektion Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 As a christian, I don't discriminate people or take them as inferior. People who use drugs to run away from their problem or to fill the empty space inside them must be loved as God loved us and must be helped. I do hate drugs. I don't mean to be rude but have you tried anything? Drugs is an over encompassing word. What are your views on natural (they grow in the ground) drugs. Why would god create them? I know everything can be abused but I believe when used in moderation certain drugs can have very positive qualities. I had stomach problems and after trying a million pharmaseudicals (which are drugs too) marijuana helped me get my apetite back and the added bonus of helping immensly with insomnia. I would use it mabye 3 times a week at a low dose (ie around 7-9pm have a hit). Other than the obviously bad effect on your lungs I think the good outweighed the bad. I am considering purchasing a vapourizer to avoid the bad completely. I wish I could talk to more people about pot (family mainly) and that it wasnt so taboo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raum Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 Pot has helped my sleep patterns a vast amount too. I used to be the type that couldn't fall asleep unless he layed in bed for over 3 hours....since using pot I've noticed this gradually going away. I've never needed any help with my appetite though. :) I've always been interested in hearing religious persons view on drugs. Here's an interesting view from Mr. Bill Hicks. I believe that God left certain drugs growing naturally upon our planet to help speed up and facilitate our evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottKin Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) Care to tell me what "great achievements" people have done while stoned or high? I'm talking about things that REALLY matter, and not last year's Top 40 Hit. Oh, and don't even bother mentioning Timothy Leary or Dr. Sigmund Freud. Freud mispelled his own name: it should be Dr. Sigmund Fraud - his own last name is a Freudian slip! Timothy Leary was responsible for more LDS overdoses than Iron Butterfly or The Jefferson Airplane ever were. In other words: CFR (Call For References). --ScottKin Edited January 25, 2008 by kinetix63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoogleNinja Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Yes, I do look down upon drug users. Because I'm usually taller than they are. PS: If you really think somebody should be killed over drug usage, even minor usage, then you need to get your head checked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djesteban Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Yes, many a time, but that's currently legal. I also smoke, which I think should also be made illegal. The thing is, I act responsibly whilst drunk, whilst many people don't. I would be willing to deprieve myself of the pleasure for the greater good. heh... wow... you talk like a little nazi one no wonder why your name is the skinmeister, the master of skins, a white power probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Yes, I do look down upon drug users. Because I'm usually taller than they are. hahaha :p thats just mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottKin Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) The fact of the matter is that *I DO* hear about drug-using parents neglecting their kids - tons of it where I live. There was a case where a tweaker-mom tried to sell her daughter so she could get her meth...I've seen parents taking their kids along with them on their next "buy". I've seen homes where meth was being cooked right next to the baby's crib. Ive seen first-hand what smoking pot does to someone who had everything going for them. A lovely, bright, intelligent young girl (a relative) who was a Straight-A student - who started smoking pot because her boyfriend did. She is now a hollow shell of what she was 6 years ago. He's now her husband who is now serving his 3rd stint in Prison for Possession & Posession for Sale, and he started selling to feed his own habitual Pot use. By the time he gets out of prison, their oldest will be 13. It may not have been heard of where you live - or maybe you're too busy getting a buzz to listen to the news or read a newspaper. Maybe you live in an isolated community where the night air isn't punctuated with 9mm gunfire coming from a drug deal gone bad. I have and I do. You are the one who needs to come out of that shell of comfort you've built for yourself and see the world beyond your neighborhood. I used to live in a area of the city I was in were the Helicopter patrol was orbiting my neighborhood with million-candlepower-plus lights on - every weekend! I've seen drug deals going on and drug deals going bad on my streetcorner - so, I'm going to break one of my own cardinal rules and say that YOU HAVE NO FRICKING IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Go back to your suburbian white-bread life. I had a friend who was killed in a car accident in 1981 because she was rear-ended by a pot-head who was smoking pot while driving - he was so stoned that he didn't see or pay attention to the car stopped in front of him at a red-light intersection. He plowed into her at 60MPH and the force of the accident was so great that her seatbelts were actually torn from their mounts (older cars) and ejected her through the windshield. I lost an even closer best friend after High School graduation to another drugged-up driver who slammed into his car head-on when my friend and his cousins were returning from a post-graduation party in Lake Tahoe. FYI: I'm 45 and have probably seen more of the world than most people my age, and probably more than you will at the same age. I've seen things in my life that would turn the average people's stomach. I've witnessed a car crash that was so horrific that the only thing left of a car that was hit head-on by a van was a chunk of metal that was barely identifyable as a car: I later learned that 3 people were literally crushed to death due to the impact and the couldn't even extracate the occupants of the car at the scene. I also later learned in the newspaper that the driver of the van has been smoking PCP-laced joints. In light of the overwhelming evidence that shows that Drug Use/Abuse of all kinds is wastefull and potentially dangerous - not only to the user but to society as a whole - your points are moot. Enjoy your delusion. --ScottKin Edited January 25, 2008 by kinetix63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 :p Yes. And when they've passed out, I roll them for their wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raum Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 Scott, most every instance you have listed involving drugs and bad behaviour could be attributed to a less socially taboo thing. A woman could of been applying make-up, as we've all seen them moronically do on the highway, and run into someone. I'm sure that's happened plenty of times. I've seen people get in fights and such over girls. Does that mean girls should be illegal? People have been murdered do to fights among them as to who gets X girl, or adultery, things liek that. Should relationships be banned? I myself rarely drive sober, and I've yet to have been pulled over for absolutely anything. I have not hit a single thing since I started driving. I am not a terribly skilled driver, I'm just alert and cautious, more so than the average person. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notab..._LSD_experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottKin Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) An interesting list: Jimi Hendrix - OD & DEAD IN THE GROUND Jim Morrison - OD & DEAD IN THE GROUND Kurt Cobain - Shotgun to the head, probably wasted when he did it. You forgot Janice Joplin - OD & DEAD IN THE GROUND I had a non-grunge band in Seattle named "Nouveau Beach", and actually bumped into Kurt at Seattle Music on 1st Avenue in Seattle. I swear, I have never met such a screwed-up, stoned-as-hell individual as Kurt when I met him. People were all over themselves when he showed up at the store, and I asked someone who that was and they said "Dude - that's Cobain!". I took one look at him and new he was stoned. He was so stoned that he almost walked right into a bunch of Kramer guitars on stands. What an example for the youth of America :woot: :woot: :woot: You didn't mention anyone who actually did anything to benefit the world and mankind beyond either being entertaining or teaching - as in Invent something, make great achievements in Science, World Peace, Agriculture....just artsy-fartsy people. You mentioned MUSICIANS. MOVIEMAKERS AND "ARTISTS" - and I'm actually sad to be associated with people of that calibre. Yeah, Jimi changed the world of music and some of his playing is inspired...but he was still a druggie. I am a musician who actually has songs registered with BMI, so I'm not just talking out of the top of my hat. Those people that you mentioned that are College professors are probably of the same ilk as Mr. Leary - liberal arts or humanities teachers, or the occasional law professor who secretly is supporting the legalization of pot - but this is just conjecture on my part and may be treated as such. Since you intimated that you're in and/or from England, your country's situation is different with Drugs. Maybe you should look at the world outside of "The Crown" for once. Spend some time on Martin Luther King Boulevard in Seattle...or Telegraph Avenue in Oakland, especially the intersection of Telegraph & MacArthur...or Pioneer Square in Portland, Oregon. Now that I know that you're in England, I can understand your naivete as to the Drug problem outside of Great Britain. Come to Seattle and I'll show you where the homeless and the addicts sleep in the streets - I'll even arrainge things through one of my friends who runs a business that feeds the homeless and the addicts so you can help me feed them and see the darkest side of what drugs will eventually do to you. Welcome to THE REAL WORLD! --ScottKin Edited January 25, 2008 by kinetix63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raum Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 Oh ****, that does it right there, you used the term real world. Now I know not to take what you say seriously. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubicant78 Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Drugs are a touchy subject with most people. They are either for them or against them for the most part. Personally, I am in the minority. "Other". I am one of the 8. One must remember that there is no right or wrong. There is just popular opinion. As it stands, popular opinion is that drugs are bad. But things change. Back in the day, sex was "bad", drinking was "bad", taking a bath was "bad". Now they are all accepted in general society. A few things about myself... I don't use "drugs" as in crack, coke, crank, pot, or anything else like that. I have before when I was young.(15 years ago but it was a financial decision, my life wasn't hanging by a thread.) I smoke cigarettes like there is no tommorrow. I drink occasionally. I cannot look down on a person that uses drugs. It is a choice. Nothing more. It's not my place to judge them and tell them that they made a wrong or right choice. Sometimes people use them to cope. I've been through enough crap that I could smoke my way up to crackhead heaven and not care. But I choose not to. I can't do that to myself or my family. I just cannot abandon them. Some can and do and that is their loss. Their choice. Their problem. But it will never end. One must accept it. It's just like war. Somebody is always going to be ****ed at somebody else for some reason. But war is "bad" and there are "rules". But nobody follows them and war still happens... It's human nature to resent those that have more than you. It's human nature to break the "rules". If this offends anyone, sue me. Good day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUTZIFER Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 I bet there's a forum somewhere, with people who do drugs, and they have a topic..... "Do you look down upon computer geeks?" Personally I have nothing against drug users, and you can't class them as low class scum like many here probably have said, since many many many very rich people do drugs too. The only thing bad about drugs, is if the people doing them can't function in a normal way, have to steal, kill, etc. etc. If the drug use doesn't interfere with their lives, then it ain't that bad. Personally, I think alchohol is the worst drug of all and should be illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raum Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) Oh just wait, someday you too will experience the real world and will see just how wrong you are! Just wait until you find out what reality is really like! Gotta love all those 30+ years olds that think because they've been around the block a couple times, that anyone who is younger than them and disagrees with them just hasn't seen the real world. Pfft. I shall now quote Mr. Ian Bavitz. "I aint been around the world, but ive been around the blockI aint seen everything, but ive seen enough to talk, I aint prophet or the second coming of christ, im just a mason with the will to build, and a little advice" Edited January 25, 2008 by kinetix63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unimatrixzer0 Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 I guess only the ones like you see in the movies who go around killing people for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 No because I am one. But I've got control over the drug, it doesnt have control over me. :shiftyninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raum Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 You're just making excuses for your reality-escaping habit. Don't fool yourself. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubicant78 Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) It's out there. No doubt about it. What most don't realize is that the so called "Real World" is out there. It's not a specific place. It's not a fantasy land where everything is real bad and life sucks. It's just reality. The world is harsh, cold, and unforgiving at times and warm and welcoming at others. But in no way can you equate your life experiences with anyone elses. We are each unique and deal with things differently. But hey, what do I know? I'm only 27. I'm too young to have seen anything...... Edited January 25, 2008 by kinetix63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raum Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) That's exactly why I laugh at those who use the term. They think their life is the end all be all of experiences and that every other person will eventually experience what they have, or so it seems. They fail to realize that what they consider "the real world," many other people will never even experience. This does not invalidate the other persons life or make their experiences on Earth any less worthwhile, it just means the first person is an arrogant douchebag that needs a reality check, ironically. Just to clarify my position. I look at using drugs to escape problems as the same thing as laying in front of the tv and never facing your internal struggles, but rather sedating your mind into apathy and avoiding the inevitable. This path leads to much more destruction, less progress and far, far less internal peace and happiness. What I do not agree with, however, is the social stigma surrounding drugs. I consider it an equally bad choice compared to the TV viewer example, no worse. It might have more negative consequences, but I don't think it's an inheritly more evil way of dealing with life. Edited January 2, 2006 by Raum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubicant78 Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 That's exactly why I laugh at those who use the term. They think their life is the end all be all of experiences and that every other person will eventually experience what they have, or so it seems. They fail to realize that what they consider "the real world," many other people will never even experience. This does not invalidate the other persons life or make their experiences on Earth any less worthwhile, it just means the first person is an arrogant douchebag that needs a reality check, ironically. werd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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