Do you look down upon drug users?


Do you look down upon drug users?  

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  1. 1. Do you look down upon drug users?

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You are ignorant... Im finished with this, Ill go back to my successful life, with my successful friends (some not so successful, but thats not because of drugs), with my beautiful half spanish half italian girlfriend, who i somehow manage not to abuse and torture because of drugs, and do a little travelling and maybe just maybe i wont die...

You should do some real research on drugs in Amsterdam, the economic impact and the societal impacts that have occured. Also, you should apply your personal experiences to all. You may be the exception to the rules. Based on your post, it seems that you have placed yourself within a subculture where social drug use is accepted and therefore you can cite others that are in the same situation. Just because you dwell within this environment does not mean it is the rule. Again, it could be the exception (based on my experiences I would say it is).

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I get a kick out of the young pups here who think that they're so enlightened when they're just living in a fantasy world aided by their drug-induced euphoria.

Crime related to Drugs and Drug activities is still killing the inner cities.

BTW, regardless of where it's happening, the use/abuse of Drugs for what addicts claim are "recreational uses" are a blight on society. Citizens of Amsterdam are getting fed-up with "Heroin Park", with unsafe sharps lying all over the place. The majority of citizens in most major cities are equally sick and tired of druggies pan-handling for their "hit". Most major governments are stepping-up their anti-drug policies.

Businesses all over the world are instituting anti-drug policies, including zero-tolerance for drug users. Rumor has it that there are tests being developed that will enable drug tests to detect the most minute ammounts of controlled substances in the blood and urine of the person being tested, even residual ammounts that could stay in the body for years. How will you druggies ever be able to hold a job beyond one that requires the words "Do you want fries with that?" when that comes down? Imagine the irony of screwing yourself out of your future just because you wanted to get high? If things continue along these lines, even McDonalds will be testing, so that kind-of kills that career choice. How good is your in-progress PhD or your two degrees going to be then? SPIT! :woot:

I hope and pray for the day when simple Controlled Substance possession of more than 0.1oz is a felony, and Posession for Sale is a Grand Felony. Wipe the drug dealers off the street, and arrest the founders, owners and staff of NorML and other pro-drug organizations in the US under RICO statutes.

As far as England is concerned: I'm pretty sure that as soon as the up-coming change in political climate in Great Britain and a new Conservative Party PM is selected there will be some sweeping changes in drug enforcement policy in the UK.

Whether you like it or not, TonyAL and Raum - Controlled Substances are destructive and counter-productive to society, as well as damaging to your health. If you want to kill yourself slowly, be my guest.

Like the above video illustrates:

Canibas: High for a night, slow for a month.

Those of us who are older and obviously more experience in life and who don't happen to agree with your pro-drug stance really take offense at your attempt to marginalize our wisdom and our experience, not to mention our firm anti-drug stance.

Typical punk-posts from druggies who will cling to their bongs and pipes until they die.

Unfortunately, it will probably be of an overdose.

--ScottKin

If you have to resort to personal attacks, maybe your points(I couldn't find anything more than opinion disguised as psuedo-facts in this rant) aren't very valid?

You demand inherent respect because you're older than the "punk druggies" on this forum? Which is, by the way, quite a large assumption on your part. We don't know your experiences. For all I know, you could've lived on a potato farm in Idaho for your entire life, not being exposed to any illegal substances or information pertaining to them besides the anti-drug ads they so constantly run on television.

I'm not here to argue for or against drug use. I've gone through this several times on Neowin, and it comes down to a few people that blatantly refuse to acknowledge medical articles, websites, journals, and reports, even when the sources are cited. It goes nowhere. In the perfect argument, it would be essentially people arguing their points, without being stereotyped. Unfortunately, that perfect argument won't happen here, as you can see by the names flying already. This argument will always come down to people calling eachother druggies/potheads/hippies and narrow-minded/prudes.

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A lot of facts thrown around but nothing to back them with, just a lot of personal attacks. sigh

There was once a great thread on Neowin pertaining to Marijuana use. It started off as a great point, counter-point discussion. Eventually, as all threads of this type do, it turns into mindless zombies repeatedly posting the same thing. These zombies I speak of belong to both sides. The people against its use will use the crutch of personal experiences, because of course no one can argue with you if you say you seen some guy take a hit off a joint one time and become paralyzed from the waist up. The people for its use will start the "it's all natural, it can't harm you!" argument, without backing it up with facts. This just leads to a lot of name-calling, repeat posts, and frustration.

Which is why I'm not arguing my opinion in this thread, but rather pointing out that this thread is headed in the wrong direction.

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I find it funny how people who replied to this thread suddenly have to defend themselves for being against drugs. Especially the comments asking if someone if they ever did drugs to speak with such authority about their bad effects... Why would anyone need to experiment on themselves to know substance abuse is bad? Do you have to cut your balls off before you can say people who mutilate themselves are ****ed in the head? And it doesn't make you a sudden drug expert to have done drugs, taken 10 hits of some **** at once and have lived to tell about it. All you are, is a lucky idiot.

Any person here who has argued for the abuse of drugs is just trying to justify it to themselves, including the original poster. You're all just in complete denial, desparately trying to impose your ****ed up views on people over some Internet forum, as if the disapproval you'll get will be any different than you do in real life. Here is a bottom line for you. You are not going to open up anyone to drugs just because you say you've been on it and it didn't kill you. Did it somehow make you better? No. The only reason it didn't kill you is because you got off of it before it did, or haven't done enough for fetal damage.

Drugs ruin health, take lives, split families, cost money and feed criminals. There are different extremes of this, I am not comparing 10lb of coke to a splif. But in the end of the day, all drugs do some form of this. To argue against it is disguasting. There is no right or justified reason to do drugs outside of medical perscription. People who do it to experiement or for social factor are pathetic to me. I don't buy this escape from reality **** for depression sufferers either.

I've hit the bottom of the barrel too before, I've wanted to end it all. But even at my worst when I was ofered free heroine, I declined. And you should/should have too, don't look at me for approval if you didn't. The best you'll get is pitty and the number for the nearest clinic.

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Yep, you hit the nail on the head.

I myself am not a fan of alcohol in any way. I do know that it can be abused, but I also know not everyone falls into this category. Take my parents for example, they used to be pretty abusive towards me, and they drink. Their actions were never a product of their drinking habits though. They never got drunk and came beat me. They drink maybe once every few weeks to the best of my knowledge, and I can't remember a time I've ever seen any of them get drunk. I'm sure they've gotten drunk in the past year, but the fact that they control it enough that I've never had to experience it tells me something about how certain people really can handle alcohol.

Me and 3 friends hung out the other week. I was with them because we were all going to go smoke on my back porch. On the way, they went and bought some coke from someone. When we got to my house I kept a keen eye out for what was put into our pipes, and when they were ready to start doing the coke, I was offered some. I didn't even have ot think about it, I knew coke is something I plan to abstain from. I told them no, they respected my decision and didn't offer me it again that night.

Last time I smoked with my one friend, J, he was with his girlfriend. She smokes some, but not much. She had said she didn't feel like smoking that night, and after we had gotten the bubbler in rotation I offered it once more, just saying you sure you don't want some? She said no, so I said, alright, it's cool. Never brought the subject up with her again that night. She said overall she'd probably like it better if J didn't smoke, but she loves him and expects to have to accept things she doesn't like about a person she loves, and that his habits haven't affected their relationship so she feels she has little right to bitch about it. As long as he can control it and not place it before herself, she said.

I definately agree with you that too many people who have little experiences with drugs and drug users have the idea that anyone who does use a drug is an addict, junkie etc. This is like saying anyone who enjoys coffee drinks 5 cups a day and can't get the motivation to go to their job without it. We all know not only how false that is, but how silly of an assumption that is to make. Why people can't see the same with drugs is beyond me, but then again I don't have to let their ignorance affect me. I know what I can hande, marijuana being one of them. I'm not so sure I'd be able to handle crack from what I have heard about it, which is one of the reasons I stay away from it. That, and it seems to have more negative consequences than marijuana, which when eaten rather than smoked has nearly no notable bad side-effects.

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Yes. Users of illegal drugs should be executed.

:yes:

In a sense, drug use is treason. When you purchase heroin, crack, or even marijuana you are funding the death of Americans. How, you ask? Well, al-Qaeda has drug suppliers that smuggle it from Mexico.

The appropriate punishment for treason is death.

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In a sense, drug use is treason. When you purchase heroin, crack, or even marijuana you are funding the death of Americans. How, you ask? Well, al-Qaeda has drug suppliers that smuggle it from Mexico.

The appropriate punishment for treason is death.

Can we consider idiocy treason too please?

You want to know the path of the marijuana I buy?

Grower living in ohio > Friend living in ohio who knows grower > Me

I don't see a terrorist anywhere in there, do you?

Since you'll likely want to ignore that point, here's one you can take out of context and argue. If drugs were legalized and sold through the states to people over 21, this wouldn't be a problem. How many terrorists do you know getting their funding from Bud Light or Marlboro?

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OK I totally see a bunch of posts relating to Hot Box in Toronto.

I totally say we have a Bong Day at Hot Box.. Great times in the summer. Met Woody Harrison there, (guy from Natural Born Killers etc) Great people, good times :)

I'm in! Countdown to summer!!!!!

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OK I totally see a bunch of posts relating to Hot Box in Toronto.

I totally say we have a Bong Day at Hot Box.. Great times in the summer. Met Woody Harrison there, (guy from Natural Born Killers etc) Great people, good times :)

I'm in! Countdown to summer!!!!!

I'll be 18 this summer and visiting the hotbox cafe is definately on my list.

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I don't look down on anyone or don't judge anyone. The truth is we never know what is going on in other persons life.

exactly...

i look down on those who look down on them.

there are many kinds of drug users...

medicaments are drugs too btw, but i got that only those like alcohol, nicotine, lsd, thc, amphetamines, etc are meant.

i dont look down on them, if they use them for medical purposes its more than ok.

if they use it for having fun i find its very ok as well

those who are addicts or have a depency to it, are poor people and need help, no cops who judges who ** their lives even more.

the only type of user i really dont like are those who do drugs without even paying attention what risks may come up, for example cannabis will only make you an addict when u have psychical problems.

the illegalness of drugs is not okay, since every1 has a right to decide what he or she wants to do in his or her life, the only case in which a state has to fight against is when drugs are used as poison to kill people (LSD is used for such murders, since it's likely the police will think it's "just another" illegal drug user)

It's not ideology that makes me think freedom shouldnt end here.

freedom should end when others' freedom gets cut, and drug use really needn't be the reason for freedom cuts.

you should use it on your own risk and mind safer-use rules, like not mixing drunks and not using them in public, since some drugs (with most it depends your psychical state) will make you do things you wouldnt do without this drug.

what i detest even more is being uninformed and passing on wrong "information" or judging the use only.

i detest people who judge only because of ideology

dont take this as "hey, do drugs or youre not cool", its just my opinion every1 should decide on his own what to do in his life.

of cause its risky, but people who use it respecting and minding the safer-use rules really shouldn't be judged over.

mostly its the law that makes problems.

its proven the legal situation about using a drug doesn't affect the amount of users.

but what it does in fact is creating new problems.

-fm

liberalist, democrat

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stupicy is not the lag of knowing something, its the lag of intelligence to gather more information - accurate information.

don't think everything that says the majority is correct.

damn, get informed and dont talk crap - especially when it comes to human rights and drugs. it's a serious topic where scientifically proven information should be dicussed...

and please: of cause there are people who died from certain drugs.

but the soooooo accepted drugs like alcohol and nicotine kill even more people.

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That, and it seems to have more negative consequences than marijuana, which when eaten rather than smoked has nearly no notable bad side-effects.

in fact, taken orally it doesn't damage your health, it even is healthy takesn this way.

just to a small group it does affect your health in a negative way.

mostly just temporarly - those effects go away after 2-4 weeks of abstinence.

of cause a heart failure MAY occur, but this may only happen when already being a person who is susceptible already.

the thingy about shizophreny: cannabis can ONLY envoke it if it would have came up later anyways, so it does not "create" the shizophreny, it just may call it before it came naturally.

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sorry for the double-post, can an admin/mod please delete this?

thx

-fm

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I had a very interesting arguement with a christian friend of mine regarding marijuana, and I don't think she could back up a single one of her arguements.

She said marijauna would cause me liver damage, I asked her to link me to a single scientific report from a credible source stating so. I showed her multiple reports about health benefits of the plant, and explained to her how it is no more addictive than television or ice cream or sex, and her arguements always came down to, "Well I'm convinced it will ruin your life because it's bad."

I should post the log, it's an interesting discussion.

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I got the "purple sticky salvia" brand myself. Some of the effects I remember....

-For a while it felt like someone had titled gravity, so that standing up straight made it feel like you were standing at an angle

-Visual details could all be absorbed and mentally processed at once. Kind of hard to explain...but if you look at a tree and see a leaf swaying....imagine being able to do that with everything in the forest that is moving and thinking about each individual item at once and it's importance to the forest, studying its movement etc

-The world seemed much brighter

-Time was much more complex than it normally was. This one I don't feel I can acurrately describe for those who haven't experienced it.

-I felt a strong sense of love coming from nature itself

I had the gravity thing once. I had another where everything was made out of floam (that stuff nickalodeon made like gak but with little foam pellets (1/2 the size of a bb). I had one intensely introspective trip which made me re-evaluate my life. That was the intelligent quality about it.

I also had one where i was in blackness and letters flipped over like a book and I heard voices only speaking with the letter that flipped over (ie K would be kome kover kere klease... etc) that one freaked me out a bit.

I had a cubism one that wasnt very comfortable and everything was made out of cubes and i got real itchy. though i rarely have bad trips. that was one.

I havent done it for a few moneths now and want to give it a go when my life is back on track (not off track because of drugs btw, schooling and future choices and indecision are my biggest demons now) and im comfortable.

Raum I have a friend like that. And it came down to the same reason. I myself was very much against usage, but never judgemental. Just cause I only saw the stoner kids doing it and didnt realize how many well adjusted normal peopel smoke too.

I consider myself a Christian (though dont like any denomination in particular and am more interested in the truth than some old pastors interpration of what the bible says). I used to hate church because of all the hypocracy and judgmental attitude but have since found a church which focus on looking at the scripture and its roots and original hebrew and other biblical language meanings.

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I had a very interesting arguement with a christian friend of mine regarding marijuana, and I don't think she could back up a single one of her arguements.

She said marijauna would cause me liver damage, I asked her to link me to a single scientific report from a credible source stating so. I showed her multiple reports about health benefits of the plant, and explained to her how it is no more addictive than television or ice cream or sex, and her arguements always came down to, "Well I'm convinced it will ruin your life because it's bad."

I should post the log, it's an interesting discussion.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=mariju...sequences&meta=

http://www.brown.edu/Student_Services/Heal...d/marijuana.htm

http://www.gdcada.org/statistics/marijuana.htm

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuana.html

Just a few. Marijuana is bad for you, it's been proven and it's a known fact. It is illegal because it cannot be taken in healthy amounts, as alcohol can.

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I had a very interesting arguement with a christian friend of mine regarding marijuana, and I don't think she could back up a single one of her arguements.

She said marijauna would cause me liver damage, I asked her to link me to a single scientific report from a credible source stating so. I showed her multiple reports about health benefits of the plant, and explained to her how it is no more addictive than television or ice cream or sex, and her arguements always came down to, "Well I'm convinced it will ruin your life because it's bad."

I should post the log, it's an interesting discussion.

One uninformed person cannot justify your the use of the drugs. What she says is irrelevant to this argument.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=mariju...sequences&meta=

http://www.brown.edu/Student_Services/Heal...d/marijuana.htm

http://www.gdcada.org/statistics/marijuana.htm

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuana.html

Just a few. Marijuana is bad for you, it's been proven and it's a known fact. It is illegal because it cannot be taken in healthy amounts, as alcohol can.

Exactly. It is proven that it is worse than many substances, including cigarettes. There will inevitably be abused use and addiction, and claiming the statistics of small doses cannot be justified for pro-legalization.

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i don't "look down" on drug users - but i do view drugs as something people would be better without, and i get concerned when friends turn to drugs, or drugs become too big a part of their life.

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http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=mariju...sequences&meta=

http://www.brown.edu/Student_Services/Heal...d/marijuana.htm

http://www.gdcada.org/statistics/marijuana.htm

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuana.html

Just a few. Marijuana is bad for you, it's been proven and it's a known fact. It is illegal because it cannot be taken in healthy amounts, as alcohol can.

And I could quote a million more resources showing its positive sides.

Remeber your first shot of vodka or whatnot. You probably got pretty messed up after 1 or 2. But you build a tolerance. Same is true for marijuana.

Also when used with an vaporizer virtually all of the physiological negatives are eliminated.

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Do whatever drugs you want... as long as your not turning into a scumbag, actually scumming people out, or becoming a waste of life; it's all good.

Then again, I just look at all irresponsible people as piece of shait anyway. So drug use doesn't really have an affect on my decision.

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And I could quote a million more resources showing its positive sides.

Remeber your first shot of vodka or whatnot. You probably got pretty messed up after 1 or 2. But you build a tolerance. Same is true for marijuana.

Also when used with an vaporizer virtually all of the physiological negatives are eliminated.

And what if somebody crunched up a Vitamin pill into some poison, and said the Vitamins give it a positive side - does that make it a good idea to drink it?

Having positive sides doesn't mean you can dismiss it's negative effects. You think the human body can develop tolerance to anything?

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