phend-one Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Libs. Looking ahead towards the future is what government should be concerned about, not looking back at old issues. I mean, unless there's a really big problem, leave it alone. We all just finished going through and solving all that sh!t, why would we want to go back and undo what we did? We'll still have to solve it later on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Flex Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Overall, supporting the Liberals would be the obvious choice for me. However, in my riding, I have volunteered for my local NDP candidate because not only is he the best candidate, but the consensus is that we keep our incumbent Tory, Randy Kamp, or choose NDP. Liberals have never been an option here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconboy Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 wow, very interesting... I want to thank all the people that took the time to vote and/or add a comment. I was die hard Liberal, now im voting NDP, but i am also now considering PC. I mean, all my life ive been told by my parents that the PC party is full of racist bigots, but i dont know what to believe anymore. A few of my PC freinds had talked to me and have been turning my views around, and telling me that my misconceptions of the PC part are wrong. So i have a question to ask of you... actually a request. Since the majority of you guys here are voting liberal, PLEASE tell me why i SHOULDNT VOTE PC? thanks! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryne Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Not voting. None of the candidates offer anything I want in a government. I also don't want the Liberals back in due to their prior mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan V Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I'm voting Conservative only because I want harsher crime laws. Its rediculous how people who commit crimes always get bail and then cause another crime while on bail. Same here. The crime laws we have here are a joke. Also there seems to be quite a few extra tax credits that appeal to me. NEVER Conservatives and who ever is thinking about voting for the Conservatives think about it... look what the Ontario Conservative Party did to Ontario.. Do you want Canada to turn out like Ontario?? I say NO. Did what - That what the people wanted at the time and unlike many other political parties that have come and go, they (or Mike Harris) actually followed through with what they promised to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMarsten Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Liberals for one reason, I do not want the Conservatives to win, if I 100% positive conservatives had no chance of winning I'd vote NDP, but that clearly isn't true, so the lesser of two evils it is ... Liberals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristotle-dude Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 It is truly sad that so many people believe the negative campaign ads and scare tactics. When I've asked someone who was voting strategically why they fear the Conservatives, they could not give a concrete answer in their own words. You are supposed to vote "for" someone. Many conservative candidates are concerned about homelessness but what do the liberal candidates stand for? We don't know. They won't tell us. All they do say is to not voter for Harper. Unless Harper is running in that riding, how does that make any sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronMT Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Conservatives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconboy Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 You guys still havent told me why i SHOULDNT vote Conservative. Im slowly swaying to that side, and i gotta tell you its a tight race in my riding. The Liberal has won her last election, but it is an "NDP stronghold", but with the ndp candidate switching, this could be an opening for the PC candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristotle-dude Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Many local Conservative candidates are talking about homelessness. They are looking at ways to provide refundable tax benefits for low income families. Tax cuts will not help the poorest of the working poor since most of them do not end up paying any taxes or very little. The GST cuts will increase consumer spending which will provide more retail jobs for unskilled workers. The party has a policy for free votes which should provide better representation for each riding. The Conservative party is often referred to in the media as a right wing party but they seem to be getting more support from a broad range of groups including the left with regard to taxation and poverty concerns. Living in Victoria, I've seen the navy on the west coast and the air force in Comox languish under the liberal government. We need to be able to protect the coasts from smugglers. Right now, we have to depend too heavily on the Americans and there are parts of Canada which would not have enough of a military presence to react quickly to a natural disaster like a tsunami or earth quake. We would have to ask the Americans for help. Some people are concerned about the expenditures but I have no problem with that if it helps to stimulate job creation for everyone including unskilled workers. I would rather see this kind of spending than to spend it on big projects in certain ridings to secure votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdave Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Green Party. i would vote for comunists but there is no guy in my electorial district. and i absolutely hate liberals and ndp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n30w1n Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I wish i could give my vote away to someone who cares, I can't be bothered to use it. What is the point if I'm just gonna be screwed either way? It's not your biggest freedom to choose between a bullet in your arm or a bullet in your hip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconboy Posted January 15, 2006 Author Share Posted January 15, 2006 I wish i could give my vote away to someone who cares, I can't be bothered to use it. What is the point if I'm just gonna be screwed either way? It's not your biggest freedom to choose between a bullet in your arm or a bullet in your hip. if you dont vote, you have no right to complain later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristotle-dude Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 if you dont vote, you have no right to complain later. By the same token, if you throw your vote away by voting strategically/against someone, you have no right to complain either. Imagine if you were voting strategically and the candidate of your usual party of choice lost by a few votes to the candidate you voted for. How would you feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erich Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 absolute power corrupts absolutely. All government is corrupt. The longer you give them power, the more arrogant they get, and hence, more corrupt. I think it's time for a change personally. Conservative is more left than the Democratic Party of USA, but definately the most right out of all the Canadian parties. Although I hope they get a minority government in their favor I will not vote for them. There are no parties in Canada that has an ideal platform to meet my demands. I demand that government becomes less wasteful with our money. Conservative's are the only party that will proactively look at this, but they won't be good enough. They'll still be bound by the rules and regulations created by the government before them. On the other hand, I want to see increased government regulation - which is strictly against the conservatives ideals and much closer to an NDP platform. I want healthcare public. I'd even go as far to say that telecommunications should now be public. Everyone should be given a phone, basic television service, and a basic internet line. Power and water should be public as well. And every student should be able to further their education whether or not their family is poor. In school I had an 86% average, but got beat out in scholarships by people getting 94% or higher. Albeit, I could have tried harder and probably beat this kids, but the fact remains that scholarships in canada (unless you a minority) are nearly impossible to obtain without rediculously high academics. My family makes a decent income but most of it goes towards debts accumulated when my parents were struggling as new parents. They can't afford to give me money for school, but the government says they won't give me anything in the way of a loan because my parents make enough money to pay for it for me. In the end, the loser is me, I don't get to go to school cuz my parents won't pay, the government won't pay, nobody is looking out for my best interest. NDP is closest to what I want. Unfortunately, conservatives look at things much too simplistically and not with a business attitude. Conservatives say: to save money, we must not spend it - so we'll cut what we don't need. Rather, they should be loking at, how can we improve efficiency and save money on existing services. Instead of making people fill out 3 forms to apply for application into the country, just to be retyped into a computer by someone getting paid $18/hr to type in one of these forms every 20 minutes. Turn it into 1 form, allow people to fill it out on computer, and charge them $20 to do it by paper. Reduce the wages of these people to $14/hr, improve job satisfaction by way of removing retarded policies - The whole idea of a "performance job" is bogus and outdated. Has nobody in power watched Office Space??!??!?! There are ways of keeping these jobs from having to keep statistics like "70% of our employee's are on anti-depressants." But the only thing the government knows how to do, is to throw more money at problems. And that isn't always how to get things done. Some things are more important than money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erich Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 voting Liberal, they have taken this country's bleak fiscal outlook and turned it around over the years they were in power. Ok.. sooo.. $250,000,000 were misappropriated... its done, it happened, there is nothing we can do about it now. :rolleyes: Changing government isn't going to fix it. There will always be scandal and corruption in ANY government. Has anyone actually looked at Stephen Harpers agenda... how much you want to bet we sink back into the fiscal red of the Mulroney era? He can't be trusted. riiiiiight... like he is going to decrease the GST. This is what will happen: Conservatives will get in power, look at the fiscal out, publicaly come out and say the books are a mess and money is misspent or allocated and that they cannot now decrease the GST due to this. Liberals did when they retained power from the conservatives, they were going to scrap it, but looked at the outlook and saw how much it brought in and kept it... Liberals were guilty as well... but we benefited from it, we our one of, if not the best fiscally stable country amonst the g8 nations. I'm voting friday (advanced poll). Sorry but you've been listening to much too much liberal propaganda. Take every parties propaganda with a grain of salt. As soon as you say "can't be trusted" pointed towards only 1 party, you've lost all credibility in my books. As soon as you trust someone in power, your a victim of manipulation and are better off living with a dictatorship for "ignorance is bliss." Harper can be as trusted much as Martin who can be as trusted as Layton. ATLEAST $10 was taken out of my pocket to feed liberal mouths. NDP destroyed Canada's chances at becoming a world leader in economic power by sabatoging Canada's aviation program for the 1 yr of power they got. And as you said, look at the mulrooney era. There's never been a government free of corruption, so don't kid yourself and try to say one parties corruption is any better than anothers. They're just as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristotle-dude Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Every party has had it's share of scandals but you have to look at how each of them handle that corruption. Take the recent smuggling scandal for a Conservative candidate, the party only took a day to discuss it and then distance themselves from that member. It turns out that guy had not divulged this incident to his party when he was seeking nomination. How did the liberals handle the Sponsorship scandal? Did they demand the accused members to step down? No. What about the criminal investigation into the Finance department? Did Martin have Goodale step down? No. Did Goodale step down voluntarily for the duration of the investigation which is still going on? No. He did not think it was necessary. I guess these guys do not feel the laws need apply to them. Did we all forget that the investigation into the Sponsorship scandal was postponed until "after" the last election? How convenient that was for the liberals. If the investigation had been allowed to proceed, there is no way they would have been elected for another term. To give a bit of perspective on the whole "stepping down" issue, I would like to reveal one thing. If I was being investigated for any sort of impropriety involving the law, I would have to go on paid leave until I was cleared of any wrong doing. This is due to the nature of work I'm involved in. I'm not holding these guys to any higher standard than my employer would expect of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TokyoKiller Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 IMO The NDP have a good vision for Canada, but they have their Cons, so Liberals get my family's vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chosen One Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Conservative It's time for a change and not to let Liberals in again 12 years of Liberal corruption and bull**** is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpablo Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Conservative It's time for a change and not to let Liberals in again 12 years of Liberal corruption and bull**** is enough. Exactly !!! Time for a Change, let's give the Conservatives a chance to prove themselves. We need a conservative majority government, with these minority goverments it is just killing us taxpayers. Paul Martin is an Idiot, Jean Chretein's "Patzy Boy" they both played this whole situation out of disliking eachother so Paul would get elected as PM for the Liberals, Jean owed it to him after he ripped everybody off, JC and all the MP's in his caucus should have their pensions revoked. ! The Liberal Party of Canada is just a legitimate version of the Mafia. The NDP and their strong socialist views would ruin this countries economy, not too mention international trade agreements and bring us to a trade and border war with the USA. Since i'm not from Quebec no sense in me commenting on the Bloc. Conservatives Canada's only hope ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji@nBing Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I'm voting Liberal because my local cantidate (Dr. Keith Martin) helped me out with a visa problem I was having when I was in China a couple years ago, so I feel it's only right I vote for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 NDP dammit. When we the get enough votes :@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazog Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Anyone who votes the Liberals is making all canadians look like morons They stole from us and refuse to find out who was at fault and fire them AND make them pay back our tax money. Once they steal once and can get away with it, they will do it again and again until they are finally ousted. The NDP... HAHHAHA Don't even get me started, they want everyone to have everything, not gonna happen. I will vote Conservative. While I don't like harper much, I think he is alot better to run the country then someone who was there the whole time the money went bye bye, I mean he was incharge of all the money. Nuff said. Vote liberal make everyone in Canada look like morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seafirex Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Well i dont vote liberal as per they only still are money so who is stupid enought to bote for them well that is a personal opinion but i am not taking any chance. :cry: I dont vote for the PQ as per they dont do anything much except wanted the seperation ( i think that is stupid). :crazy: I will probably go for something new like conservatives as per they offer more choice and well it is time to see if they are as good as they say. So probably i will vote for them. :D And again for the liberal thing i said it is true, no one that as a small percentage of brains will not vote for liberal, except does that work for them as per they are too chicken to vote for something good. sorry but i am very mad at the liberal for what they did and at the pq for not doing anything about it. Liberal have good side but not when it comes to the people they only want things for them. :angry: also they only want thing for ontario we need something for all province not just one. ontario dont have everything they still need the other province and that everyone knows that, so that is why i dont vote for liberals :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miran Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I won't be voting. No Canadian party has the features I want. I want a party that makes decisions based on long-term gain as well as using science as a backbone for decision making. Logic and science should be the guiding light for any government. Of course there are human social issues, and those should be dealt with accordingly, but to have a government of politicians with absolutely no scientific background making decisions on say, stem cell research, is completely absurd. Well i dont vote liberal as per they only still are money so who is tupid enought to bote for them well that is a personal opinion but i am not taking any chance. I dont vote for the PQ as per they dont do anything much except wanted the seperation ( i think that is stupid). I will probably go for something new like concervative as per they offer more choice and well it is time to see if they are as good as they say. So probably i will vote for them. And again for the liberal thing i said it is true, no one that as a small percentage of brains will not vote for liberal, except does that work for them as per they are too chicken to vote for something good. sorry but i am very mad at the liberal for what they did and at the pq for not doing anything about it. Liberal have good side but not when it comes to the people they only want tihngs for them also they only want thing for ontario we need something for all province not just one. ontario dont have everything they still need the other province and that everyone knows that, so that is why i dont vote for liberals I'm sure there are many people, much more educated about the topic than you, who are voting liberal. You can't say that "X is dumb because they aren't voting for who I think they should" - that is counter-productive flame bait in terms of this conversation. Vote liberal make everyone in Canada look like morons. From my own experience, most people in Canada are morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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